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[muramasa]

　

a mclaren.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

overtook ferrari

 

 

 

 

that's fp1 btw

Edited by muramasa, 25 September 2015 - 13:47.

[muramasa]

　

In FP2, ALO didnt come out long time for whatever thing called Honda PU got changed..

 

 

 

 

 

is that a mclaren tho?

 

 

 

Alonso?

 

 

 

Yes it is!

 

 

[Rinehart]

Because the PU hadn't been designed yet.

 

Going by Racecar engineering's article, it doesn't look like Honda had the time to run the current spec PU (by that I mean the 2015 unit) as a single unit on the dyno before fitting it into the MP4/29H.  Thats when the ERS problems became clear for the first time.

What about at any point since the post season test in Abu Dhabi - that's nearly a year ago. Testing the changes they're going to make with the tokens. 

[muramasa]

Yeah inside the small temp building (the right one in below pic) displaying that 2015 PU (as well as other old Honda engine) in Suzuka is too dark, and there's always decent queue to get in plus it's packed inside so that cannot take time to try to take good photo. Just get in and need to get out rather quickly. Might try again if i can take time

 

k so today i did actually try.

I turned down ISO like mad (600 or more) but not too bad.

just quickly cropped, maybe put hi-res some time later.

might try to go and take more again if have time

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[argiriano]

I've just read Paddy Lowes explanation for Singapore. They couldn't get the tyres to work, they couldn't warm the carcass enough to get them flexible enough so that surface layer was doing all the work and overheating.

 

This was the same phenomenon which JB described that he had on the supersofts (I'm pretty sure they set-up his car with the race and tyre degradation in mind).

 

Lowe's explanation was that their car concept was built around "efficiency" and lacked the absolute downforce that the other teams had.

 

It's reasonable to  assume that the McLaren had the same issue (amongst others!).

Also SKY commentators discussed the padock talk that only 1-2 degrees out of the working temperatures of those tires leads to 0,3sec deficit. Imagine the deficit if you have a couple of degrees less or higher temp?    It`s a madness with those tires, and McLaren-Honda speak about tires not working right for them all year long which is understandable with lack of running.

 

Also at FP2 they aired some interview with JB about his future but there was some other questions and on one of them he said McLaren-Honda have good aero, describing it as one of team`s strong points which gives him hope for the future. 

 

I didn`t realized before that the second main elements of the FW are some good amount thicker at their inner ends... I guess those darker conditions showed that better. 

 

http://www.f1fanatic.../09/alon-p1.jpg

http://www.f1fanatic...5/09/alon41.jpg

http://www.f1fanatic...5/09/butt32.jpg

Edited by argiriano, 25 September 2015 - 14:45.

[Lemans]

@ muramasa

Great photos. Thanks for posting them. I hope you're enjoying yourself.

[CPR]

k so today i did actually try.
I turned down ISO like mad (600 or more) but not too bad.
just quickly cropped, maybe put hi-res some time later.
might try to go and take more again if have time

Mmm, metal porn 

 

I could help with re-processing them if you like...

 

Hmm, the turbine part of the turbo is more into the V that I had thought. The Mercedes one is kinda hanging at the end of the V but Honda's really is inside the V (though probably only a bit)

[Lemans]

Also at FP2 they aired some interview with JB about his future but there was some other questions and on one of them he said McLaren-Honda have good aero, describing it as one of team`s strong points which gives him hope for the future. 

 

Yup. I saw that. He mentioned the car was good at changing direction.

[CPR]

Yup. I saw that. He mentioned the car was good at changing direction.

 

Where was this interview? BBC? Sky?

[Lemans]

Where was this interview? BBC? Sky?

 

Sky. They showed it during FP2 though the interview probably took place earlier that day or the day before. It was only a couple of minutes long.

Edited by Lemans, 25 September 2015 - 15:37.

[CPR]

Sky. They showed it during FP2 though the interview probably took place earlier that day or the day before. It was only a couple of minutes long.

 
Okay, thanks. They might post the full interview on their website later...
 
 
PS http://edition.cnn.c...ture/index.html
 

Given the team's ethos, it's no surprise that McLaren is embracing new technologies, within the framework of stringent technical regulations set out by the sport's governing body the FIA.

Boullier explains: "3D printing is something we are looking at for the future to make more complex parts.

"We are using 3D printing for the wind tunnel model (60% of the size of an F1 car). But to go from that scale to the final part on the car we need the technology to go another step forward.

"At the moment we still can't build parts that are as strong or as light as carbon fiber but little by little we are helping the 3D printing team with that technology."

Asked whether 3D printing could mean car parts could be actually made trackside during a grand prix rather than being flown around the world at great cost, Boullier said: "Yes definitely. This is what we want to achieve."

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Left, right, there is a Honda power unit  . What is going on   

Edited by RYARLE, 25 September 2015 - 16:10.

[LEO10]

New steering wheel used by Fernando in FP1, but went back to the old one in FP2, wonder what that is all about. The new one looks so much better, I've always hated the big steering wheels McLaren are using in the last few seasons.

FP1



FP2:

[CPR]

New steering wheel used by Fernando in FP1, but went back to the old one in FP2, wonder what that is all about. The new one looks so much better, I've always hated the big steering wheels McLaren are using in the last few seasons.

Interesting. Might well be something Fernando requested.

[Force Ten]

k so today i did actually try.

I turned down ISO like mad (600 or more) but not too bad.

just quickly cropped, maybe put hi-res some time later.

might try to go and take more again if have time

Just a real quick Lightroom on one of your pics, there's a good amount of detail that you can dig out if you know how. Send me the larges

[Alburaq]

Nice looking wastegates... they're tiny and seem to reject 'waste' gases directly into the central exhaust exit, just after the turbine.
Honda tried to miniaturize and compact everything, the compressor, the MGUs, the turbine and its wastegates in order to get the smallest PU possible... but there are too many drawbacks. Mercedes achieved a very compact PU too and it has all Honda and Ferrari advantages, but not their drawbacks. 

Edited by Alburaq, 25 September 2015 - 16:57.

[mclarensmps]

The last two pages in this thread have been the best for a long long time. Thanks for the contributions, guys!

[Force Ten]

3 more. Taken by Muramasa.

 

 

[Lemans]

Bellissima!

[mclarensmps]

It... looks like a piece of Jewellery 

[bogi]

The last two pages in this thread have been the best for a long long time. Thanks for the contributions, guys!

 

Wait for usual suspects to get on board.

[amardeep]

Once upon a time I'm sure engine manufacturers were paranoid about even obscure photos of their engines (sure there was a Jordan photo-shoot in Car magazine which featured a Honda / Mugen with only tightly controlled pics - e.g. no standard size bolt in the pic from which the size of other pieces could be deduced etc).

 

Yes, I know there are some smart-alec responses to copying things from this one ! Still, seems things have changed. Maybe the advantages are all in the hidden bits (ERS, MGU's, software, combustion chamber internals) ?

[Denaris]

Once upon a time I'm sure engine manufacturers were paranoid about even obscure photos of their engines (sure there was a Jordan photo-shoot in Car magazine which featured a Honda / Mugen with only tightly controlled pics - e.g. no standard size bolt in the pic from which the size of other pieces could be deduced etc).

 

Yes, I know there are some smart-alec responses to copying things from this one ! Still, seems things have changed. Maybe the advantages are all in the hidden bits (ERS, MGU's, software, combustion chamber internals) ?

Why should Honda be worry about pics leaking. Do you really think anyone want to copy this?!! 

[Force Ten]

3 more, by Muramasa...

 

 

 

 

and the 1st one again, with slightly improved colors

[OO7]

Bellissima!

I think you mean, 美しいです

[CPR]

Looks like busy night for the mechanics:










btw, I re-checked the time spent under full throttle for Suzuka. 45 seconds, or just under 50% of the lap. If the MGU-H is producing no power during a qualifying lap then that means the MGU-K will only have about 75% of the power it had at Singapore, on average. ie costs us 40 hp or so during qualifying.

[Jerem]

New steering wheel used by Fernando in FP1, but went back to the old one in FP2, wonder what that is all about. The new one looks so much better, I've always hated the big steering wheels McLaren are using in the last few seasons.

FP1



FP2:

 

Well obviously he was 1.3s quicker with the old design 

[Kimble]

Interesting. Might well be something Fernando requested.

 

The drivers have spent so much time getting in and out of the car their thigh muscles have increased in size.  Mclaren Applied Technologies were brought into to optimise the driver entry/exit program and after a comprehensive analysis including sophisticated, bespoke instrumentation it was determined the reduction in bottom end mass of the vehicle control systems would facilitate a time saving of 13 seconds per man year.

[apreading]

The bigger steering wheel has their special qualifying mode on it - a slot for AA batteries on the bottom that feed power into the ERS.  Basically Fernando has to go out with a pocketful of Duracells and swap them over to keep the power on the key parts of the lap.

[BillBald]

The bigger steering wheel has their special qualifying mode on it - a slot for AA batteries on the bottom that feed power into the ERS.  Basically Fernando has to go out with a pocketful of Duracells and swap them over to keep the power on the key parts of the lap.

 

Sounds like a sponsorship opportunity!

[Pete_f1]

The bigger steering wheel has their special qualifying mode on it - a slot for AA batteries on the bottom that feed power into the ERS. Basically Fernando has to go out with a pocketful of Duracells and swap them over to keep the power on the key parts of the lap.

Post of the thread!!!

[chhatra]

Wow...if FP3 is anything to go by so far...

This is gonna suck unless it rains.

[ClubmanGT]

Can I ask a super-dumb question? 

 

What stops McLaren from starting a new company to build their own engines?

 

What happens if that company happens to be called 'Mugen'?

 

What happens if that company happens to have a completely different engine to say, the Honda engine (as in it works)?

 

What stops McLaren from contracting the bulk of Mugen's technical work to someone with that kind of manufacturing ability? Say, Honda? 

 

Who would have built that engine, and would it get around the issue of not being able to redesign the engine as you're effectively dumping Honda and using something different?

[CPR]

Wow...if FP3 is anything to go by so far...

This is gonna suck unless it rains.

 

It's basically going to be quite similar to Silverstone. Should be a bit better though.

[Rurouni]

Can I ask a super-dumb question?

What stops McLaren from starting a new company to build their own engines?

What happens if that company happens to be called 'Mugen'?

What happens if that company happens to have a completely different engine to say, the Honda engine (as in it works)?

What stops McLaren from contracting the bulk of Mugen's technical work to someone with that kind of manufacturing ability? Say, Honda?

Who would have built that engine, and would it get around the issue of not being able to redesign the engine as you're effectively dumping Honda and using something different?

From my understanding, it would probably be like the double diffuser thing or f-duct. It is something that isn't in the spirit of the regulation, probably will cause a lot of debates, but eventually will go through because it isn't actually breaching the regulation.

[keshav]

Q2 looks possible?

[kosmos]

If they get close to P12 later, I will be more than happy.

[CPR]

Well, not much point doing all the graphs given wet practice yesterday:

 
 
 

Q2 looks possible?

I'd say no. Both guys are struggling with understeer too.

[argiriano]

So Jenson problem at practice 3 was broken floor!   But the car is almost ready for Q as Sky reported. Busy hours for the guys at the pit. 

[TakataDomeNSX]

Not too bad so far

[TakataDomeNSX]

And a yellow caused by Verstappen ruins improvements in the final run by both drivers.

[frewin90]

One day,just maybe,we may avoid back luck.... Grrrrrrrrrrrr

[Button4life]

And a yellow caused by Verstappen ruins improvements in the final run by both drivers.

Atleast Alonso is in Q2.

[TakataDomeNSX]

One day,just maybe,we may avoid back luck.... Grrrrrrrrrrrr

 

There were green 1st sectors by both our drivers before that yellow...

 

I think progress to Q2 for both were possible.
 

[CPR]

Sounds like Jenson is complaining that didn't get told what engine mode to use and used more conservative setting. Sigh...

(Well, if he had gone faster it would have pushed Fernando out instead)

[CPR]

From McLaren live:

“Fernando, last year there was a three-tenths track improvement between Q1 and Q2.”
Pit to Fernando

[FrontWing]

Awful pace, on mediums when the front runners were on hards.

[blacky]

BUT did his fastest lap under double yellow, I guess he will get a penalty.

[Skizo]

You only need to slow down at the yellow part,not the whole sector or lap.

[PARAZAR]

BUT did his fastest lap under double yellow, I guess he will get a penalty.

It depends on the sector time doesn't it?