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[Marklar]

After the FIA finally crunched the grid out it is time to start into the race day. Thanks to the Mercedes and Ferraris engine upgrades we could finally get a real race at the top. Behind them we will probably see the war of the Mercedes costumer teams. After 168 grid penaltys we also have some competitive cars in the back (no Mr. Arai, I dont mean McLaren-Honda) which will bring us some action. And who knows which changes we might see on the grid with this madness until the race start....

Provisional grid

• Hamilton
• Raikkonen
• Vettel
• Rosberg
• Massa
• Bottas
• Perez
• Grosjean
• Hulkenberg
• Maldonado
• Nasr
• Ericsson
• Stevens
• Merhi
• Button
• Alonso
• Sainz
• Kvyat
• Ricciardo
• Verstappen (+ Drive Through)

Circuit


Race facts
Track length: 5.793 km
Laps: 53
Total distance: 306.720 km
Corners: 11
Distance pole to turn 1: 380 m
Lap record: 1:21.046 (Barrichello, 2004)
Pirelly tyres: soft/medium
Tyre wear: medium
Fuel consumption: high
Brake load: high
Downforce: low
Overtaking: high
Safety car probability: 43 %
Pit stop time: 24 seconds
Full throotle: 74 %
Braking: 11 %
Braking zones: 6
Pole conversation: 34.38 %
Wins from: 1st (22), 2nd, 3rd (11), 4th (7), 6th (5), 5th, 7th, 8th (2), 9th, 11th (1)
Record winner: Schumacher (5)
Record winner current drivers: Vettel (3)
Record winner constructors: Ferrari (18)
Record winner engines: Ferrari (19)

Pirelli strategy predictor
Soft - Medium (21)
Also possible: Medium - Soft (24)
Also possible but 1.63 s slower: Soft - Soft (19) - Medium (36)

Weather forecast (Ubimet): Sunday will be the most pleasant day of the weekend. We expect ample sunshine with only a few clouds building in the mountains near Monza. With a more stable air mass in place, we expect dry conditions for the race. High temperature will once again reach 25 degrees with light and variable winds.

Top speeds

• Perez 354.6
• Hulkenberg 353.2
• Bottas 352.3
• Ericsson 352.1
• Raikkonen 352.0
• Massa 351.7
• Hamilton 351.3
• Maldonado 350.6
• Grosjean 349.7
• Vettel 348.7
• Rosberg 348.4
• Nasr 346.2
• Button 343.0
• Kvyat 340.9
• Alonso 338.1
• Sainz 337.2
• Ricciardo 336.3
• Stevens 331.7
• Merhi 329.7
• Verstappen 249.4

Longruns

SOFT
HAM 27.793 (7 laps)
ROS 28.060 (15 laps)
RAI 28.642 (18 laps)
BOT 28.906 (18 laps)
SAI 29.085 (19 laps)
GRO 29.180 (4 laps)
RIC 29.320 (18 laps)
HUL 29.376 (18 laps)
PER 29.427 (16 laps)
VES 29.552 (14 laps)
KVY 29.503 (15 laps)
NAS 29.529 (6 laps)
ERI 29.712 (8 laps)
MAL 30.250 (18 laps)
ALO 31.206 (9 laps)

MEDIUM
VET 28.774 (16 laps)
KVY 29.038 (9 laps)
HUL 29.082 (11 laps)
MAS 29.210 (13 laps)
VES 29.361 (7 laps)
SAI 29.642 (13 laps)
GRO 30.193 (18 laps)
NAS 30.422 (8 laps)
ERI 30.635 (5 laps)
ALO 30.840 (4 laps)

Schedule
09:25 - 10:00 GP3 Series
10:35 - 11:25 GP2 Series
11:45 - 12:20 Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup
12:25 - 13:15 Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk
12:29 Minute Silence - Remembering Justin Wilson
12:30 Drivers Track Parade
12:45 - 13:15 Starting Grid Presentation
13:46 National Anthem
13:47 Air Display
14:00 Race

Live timing
http://www.formula1....tml#leaderboard

Edited by Marklar, 05 September 2015 - 22:40.

[jonpollak]

You the man MarkyMark

[Seanspeed]

You the jam, Jonny Jon.

[RubalSher]

Lewis

[jonpollak]

Pump up the jammys

[OO7]

You da sh*t seany sean.

[RekF1]

I'd love Massa to win tomorrow, or at least a podium. He's the first of the non dodgy Mercs.

One more thing, you're cooler than, Mark Lamarr and Marky Mark combined. Quite possibly the best Mark ever.

Edited by RekF1, 05 September 2015 - 22:56.

[Jordan44]

I'd love Massa to win tomorrow, or at least a podium. He's the first of the non dodgy Mercs.

 

What exactly is dodgy about Lewis? AMuS has confirmed the issue will not occur on Lewis's engine. It was a heat exchanger defect.

Edited by J0rd4n, 05 September 2015 - 22:42.

[charly0418]

Dont think the Force Indias will be able to move forward  

 

The new car eats up the tires really fast and Williams look quicker. Oh well, at least I think they can beat Grosjean

[sennafan24]

007 ain't worth ****. He's being throwing up junk all week.

Looking forward to this one.

[RekF1]

What exactly is dodgy about Lewis? AMuS has confirmed the issue will not occur on Lewis's engine. It was a heat exchanger defect.

I didn't know that.

[Knowlesy]

Expect McLaren to keep the inferior Renault cars behind them with ease.

LMAO

[steferrari]

Forza Ferrari.

[Chick0]

I have my fingers crossed for the pair of Ferrari's jumping past the Lewis at the start,  it would at least make for an interesting race until the Lewis gets past with ease or starts playing bumper cars with the whole field like he normally does when he gets some real competition   

[TomNokoe]

Lewis to break early at T1 and be mugged by Kimi around the outside. Race long slipstream battle with Seb towed along in P3.

[Jordan44]

I have my fingers crossed for the pair of Ferrari's jumping past the Lewis at the start,  it would at least make for an interesting race until the Lewis gets past with ease or starts playing bumper cars with the whole field like he normally does when he gets some real competition   

 

Why like he normally does? Hungary is the first race in a long time he has collided with another driver causing serious damage (other than Nico, but that was rather Nico colliding into him). Hungary last year, and Germany, he went through the field pretty easy. No bumper cars. Only really did damage to Button's car but that was a genuine misunderstanding between the two and not an overambitious move. Infact watch the GP2 Istanbul race. Still the best ever performance I've seen from Lewis. Flew through the field in equal machinery into second place.

Edited by J0rd4n, 05 September 2015 - 23:33.

[LeClerc]

A most respectable opening post. Not quite Indycar level, but nevertheless high in informative content. Bravissimo Marklar.

 

I have high hopes for the race, and I have a dream that includes silvery cars plowing through gravel, but let us not get carried away here.

[Kristian]

After being reminded by Herbert's review of his 1995 win, I'd love another chaotic race like that - they just don't happen anymore. The GP2 race showed how Monza is great for racing, so if the Ferraris can jump Hamilton at the start it could potentailly be a 2015 classic. Let's see. 

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

Only in his worst nightmare could Dietrich Mateschitz imagine that after spending many millions and dominating for four years consecutively, would all four Red Bull related cars start at the very back. Could things get any worse? Is this the tipping point? IMO what happened at Monza last year to Ferrari was what started the night of the long knives.

 

We're definitely going to see a lot of cars fighting their way through the field. Too many to expect that all of them will emerge unscathed.

 

Meanwhile over in the Lewis Hamilton fan clubhouse, nerves are raw, paramedics are standing by, and all defibrillators are fully charged. Over what many don't understand, but sympathetic souls are attempting to cover the entire structure in tin foil, anything to keep out the bad vibes. And for the Hamilton fans, remember that both Valium and Viagra are little blue pills, read the label carefully or you may miss the race.

 

I expect both Mercedes cars to overcome whatever start difficulties they may experience, and finish 1 - 2. But behind that, all bets are off, it may get interesting.

 

[sennafan24]

Meanwhile over in the Lewis Hamilton fan clubhouse, nerves are raw, paramedics are standing by, and all defibrillators are fully charged. Over what many don't understand, but sympathetic souls are attempting to cover the entire structure in tin foil, anything to keep out the bad vibes. And for the Hamilton fans, remember that both Valium and Viagra are little blue pills, read the label carefully or you may miss the race.

Oh come on now, leave us alone. We are still having withdrawal symptoms from the 2012 season! 

Edited by sennafan24, 06 September 2015 - 00:20.

[TomNokoe]

I'm chill as.

Yay if Hamilton wins
Awesome for F1 if it's Seb
Even better if it's Kimi

[SR388]

Sometimes it's hard to sleep on the night before a Grand Prix.

[JHSingo]

Sometimes it's hard to sleep on the night before a Grand Prix.

 

Don't worry. I've found the majority of races this year to be great for insomnia.

Edited by JHSingo, 06 September 2015 - 01:30.

[Menace]

5AM Race start's can help along with that... 

 

Having said that, I hope that both of the Ferrari's get around Hamilton at the start!  

Edited by Menace, 06 September 2015 - 02:00.

[Ricciardo2014]

I'm looking forward to watching a stellar race from my man Daniel Ricciardo ! ! !

 

I predict a mega start, phenomenal overtaking moves, and a storming drive through the field to put the Renault powered RB11 in a finishing position it never deserved ! ! !

( Somewhere around 13th   most likely )

 

On second thought's I might just kill myself now 

[Otaku]

So no1 has ever won starting 2nd on the grid? Bad news for Kimi 

[genius83]

Drivers starting from 2nd and 3rd win 11 times each.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Got a good feeling about this race, the start will be key for all of us to have an entertaining battle for the lead. If neither Ferrari can jump Lewis at the start, I fear he will disappear off into the distance and leave plenty of people deflated after Ferrari closed the gap in quali yday.

Having said that, there should be great action all the way throughout the field, the Red Bulls and Toro Rosso's with new engines should be fun to watch, they might have their own four way scrap as I can't see them getting in the points, the highest they might get is to Nasr. The McLaren's are ahead of all four of those cars on the grid so it will be a like for like comparison between the Honda PU and the Renault one.

Lotus, Force India and Ericsson will have a battle too I'm sure with Williams just out of reach for this group, might be a lonely race for the Williams boys and Rosberg potentially.

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

Oh come on now, leave us alone. We are still having withdrawal symptoms from the 2012 season! 

 

This is what sport is all about, you cannot bask in the joys of success without standing on the precipice of failure.

 

If Hamilton wins, and he should, you will breathe out a collective sigh of satisfaction, and some will reach for that other blue pill.

[Chick0]

Why like he normally does? Hungary is the first race in a long time he has collided with another driver causing serious damage (other than Nico, but that was rather Nico colliding into him). Hungary last year, and Germany, he went through the field pretty easy. No bumper cars. Only really did damage to Button's car but that was a genuine misunderstanding between the two and not an overambitious move. Infact watch the GP2 Istanbul race. Still the best ever performance I've seen from Lewis. Flew through the field in equal machinery into second place.

 

Why like he normally does?     

 

 

Because its what he does over and over when things don't go easy or he does not have an advantage....  

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Ok, My prediction. Again non Mercedes and non Ferrari winner. Maybe Williams are going to win. Guess what!? One of the McLarenHondas in the points.

 

Marklar you don't have to respond to my accurate predictions   

Edited by RYARLE, 06 September 2015 - 05:57.

[Retrofly]

The race will be decided in the first 10 seconds, maybe....

[Radion]

The Ferraris need to start aggressively. Lewis has more to lose than them. They should take advantage of that.

How awesome would be a Ferrari one two in Italy. ^.^

[kosmos]

I have the feeling a Ferrari may win, I hope is Kimi for the sake of variety.

[Vesuvius]

Good feeling here at Monza, forza Ferrari!

[RedBaron]

9.30am in Monza and it's bright sun, blues skies and it's pretty warm. It rained last night at around 8pm for about 15 minutes, not sure what that'll do to the track if anything at all, it was a light rain.

Edited by RedBaron, 06 September 2015 - 07:23.

[Lee Nicolle]

Everyone  has tyre problems and the slow but steady Manors 1 & 2.

Well maybe not but the Renaults will self destruct as will the Hondas so the Manors are a podium hope!

[Nonesuch]

I watched some of the FOM highlight clips of earlier races last night and was somewhat surprised by the number of good scraps we've seen over the years.

 

Hamilton vs. Schumacher in 2011 was quite amusing, even if Michael - as always - pushed the limits of what was allowed.

 

Vettel and Alonso have had multiple nice battles here, and who can forget the strategic cat-and-mouse game between Alonso and Button in 2010?

 

I'm pretty sure Hamilton will walk away with this, but even if he does the midfield, and especially the large number of faster cars towards the back, can still provide plenty of entertainment.

 

That's the plan, at least.

Edited by Nonesuch, 06 September 2015 - 08:08.

[Timstr11]

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1  8m

8 minutes ago

Lewis Hamilton has been told his engine is cleared to race. Rosberg's problem was coolant related. Full story soon

From the team: 

https://twitter.com/...438186200723456

https://twitter.com/...438254572060673

Edited by Timstr11, 06 September 2015 - 08:21.

[RedBaron]

If the engine worries come into play for Hamilton, then it could easily be a Ferrari 1-2 led by Kimi.

 

 

[Kristian]

Can someone explain (sorry if stupid question) why Ericsson's 3 place grid penalty is only 2 places, given that he was the last to have the penalty applied to him? 

[shonguiz]

 

From the team: 

https://twitter.com/...438186200723456

https://twitter.com/...438254572060673

 

So could they fix Nico's car under parc ferme ?

[Marklar]

Can someone explain (sorry if stupid question) why Ericsson's 3 place grid penalty is only 2 places, given that he was the last to have the penalty applied to him? 

The rule who got the penalty first is only coming into the play if two drivers have the same grid position after the penaltys as follows...

 

11. Nasr = 12
12. Ericsson 10+3 = 13
13. Stevens = 19
14. Merhi = 20
15. Button 16+5 = 21
16. Alonso 17+10 = 27
17. Sainz 13+35 = 48
18. Kvyat 14+35 = 49
19. Ricciardo 15+50 = 65
20. Verstappen NC + 20 = NC

 

 

So could they fix Nico's car under parc ferme ?

He used the old engine under parc ferme, so he cant anyway use the new engine. It will be investigate in Brixworth. It is not secured yet that this engine will be useable in the future. The general problem which may accured the failure is allowed to be fix under par ferme though

Edited by Marklar, 06 September 2015 - 08:43.

[Timstr11]

So could they fix Nico's car under parc ferme ?

The coolant problem? Yes, sure.

[Jovanotti]

I'm already humming the Italian anthem in anticipation.

[Kristian]

The rule who got the penalty first is only coming into the play if two drivers have the same grid position after the penaltys as follows...

 

11. Nasr = 12
12. Ericsson 10+3 = 13
13. Stevens = 19
14. Merhi = 20
15. Button 16+5 = 21
16. Alonso 17+10 = 27
17. Sainz 13+35 = 48
18. Kvyat 14+35 = 49
19. Ricciardo 15+50 = 65
20. Verstappen NC + 20 = NC

 

 

He used the old engine under parc ferme, so he cant anyway use the new engine. It will be investigate in Brixworth. It is not secured yet that this engine will be useable in the future. The general problem which may accured the failure is allowed to be fix under par ferme though

 

Perfect answer, thank you

[Knowlesy]

Why like he normally does?


Because its what he does over and over when things don't go easy or he does not have an advantage....

Bloody hell, we've got a live one here.

[Raikkonen94]

As a Kimi fan it's been quite a while since I was this excited prior to the start of the race. I just hope Kimi doesn't lose his great qualifying straight away at the start, in Spa he was probably one of the worst starters of the field. Hopefully Ferrari can surprise but I still expect an easy victory for Lewis.

[shonguiz]

The rule who got the penalty first is only coming into the play if two drivers have the same grid position after the penaltys as follows...

 

11. Nasr = 12
12. Ericsson 10+3 = 13
13. Stevens = 19
14. Merhi = 20
15. Button 16+5 = 21
16. Alonso 17+10 = 27
17. Sainz 13+35 = 48
18. Kvyat 14+35 = 49
19. Ricciardo 15+50 = 65
20. Verstappen NC + 20 = NC

 

 

He used the old engine under parc ferme, so he cant anyway use the new engine. It will be investigate in Brixworth. It is not secured yet that this engine will be useable in the future. The general problem which may accured the failure is allowed to be fix under par ferme though

 

 

The coolant problem? Yes, sure.

Where's the problem located at exactly ? Cooling system is a bit vague, is it radiators, heat exchanger..?

[Marklar]

Where's the problem located at exactly ? Cooling system is a bit vague, is it radiators, heat exchanger..?

According to AMuS heat exchanger