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[HistoryFan]

The Lotus drivers had to retire the third time this year (Melbourne, Silverstone, Monza) in the first lap. Is that a record?

[Marklar]

They didnt retired in Monza on the 1st lap

[Jon83]

Always seems like such a struggle for them to make it to a GP weekend at the moment and then things like that happen.

 

Always a risk of course with old Pastor in the saddle!

[paulogman]

Start and park?

[Dan333SP]

They didnt retired in Monza on the 1st lap

 

What, did one or both cross the s/f line once before retiring? They were both damaged on the first lap and retired shortly thereafter, I guess whether they crawled across the line once before their race ended is just a technicality.

[Marklar]

What, did one or both cross the s/f line once before retiring? They were both damaged on the first lap and retired shortly thereafter, I guess whether they crawled across the line once before their race ended is just a technicality.

They crossed the line in the box. In the record books it doesnt count as an 1st lap retirement

[oetzi]

I can remember seven pairs of team mates retiring on lap 1 of a single race.

[Nonesuch]

It does seem like quite the number for both cars to retire on the first lap in one season. Another sad note about Lotus' campaign.

 

I briefly went to StatsF1 and checked the races of the top five or so people who have had the most first lap retirements to see if their teammates had also failed to complete the first lap. That resulted in this list: no doubt there are many more (and some might be disputable, of course).

 

Spain 2009 - Toro Rosso (Buemi and Bourdais)

United States 2006 - McLaren (Montoya and Räikkönen)

Hungary 2005 - Red Bull (Coulthard and Klien)

Australia 2002 - Sauber (Massa and Heidfeld)

Belgium 2001 [this race was restarted, so I'm not entirely sure here] - Sauber (Heidfeld and Räikkönen)

Italy 2000 - Jordan (Trulli and Frentzen)

Luxemburg 1997 - Jordan (Ralf Schumacher and Fisichella)

Monaco 1996 - Minardi (Lamy and Fisichella)

Hungary 1994 - Jordan (Barrichello and Irvine)

Germany 1994 - Minardi (Martini and Alborteo), Jordan (Barrichello and Irvine), Lotus (Zanardi and Herbert), and Sauber (Frentzen and De Cesaris)

Italy 1993 - Jordan (Barrichello and Apicella) and Footwork (Suzuki and Warwick)

Monaco 1984 - Renault (Warwick and Tambay)

Austria 1982 - Alfa Romeo (De Cesaris and Giacomelli)

Monaco 1980 - Tyrell (Jarier and Daly)

 

Other:
Canada 1982 - Osella (Paletti had a fatal crash, and Jarier withdrew).

[Donkey]

It does seem like quite the number for both cars to retire on the first lap in one season. Another sad note about Lotus' campaign.

 

I briefly went to StatsF1 and checked the races of the top five or so people who have had the most first lap retirements to see if their teammates had also failed to complete the first lap. That resulted in this list: no doubt there are many more (and some might be disputable, of course).

 

Spain 2009 - Toro Rosso (Buemi and Bourdais)

United States 2006 - McLaren (Montoya and Räikkönen)

Hungary 2005 - Red Bull (Coulthard and Klien)

Australia 2002 - Sauber (Massa and Heidfeld)

Belgium 2001 [this race was restarted, so I'm not entirely sure here] - Sauber (Heidfeld and Räikkönen)

Italy 2000 - Jordan (Trulli and Frentzen)

Luxemburg 1997 - Jordan (Ralf Schumacher and Fisichella)

Monaco 1996 - Minardi (Lamy and Fisichella)

Hungary 1994 - Jordan (Barrichello and Irvine)

Germany 1994 - Minardi (Martini and Alborteo), Jordan (Barrichello and Irvine), Lotus (Zanardi and Herbert), and Sauber (Frentzen and De Cesaris)

Italy 1993 - Jordan (Barrichello and Apicella) and Footwork (Suzuki and Warwick)

Monaco 1984 - Renault (Warwick and Tambay)

Austria 1982 - Alfa Romeo (De Cesaris and Giacomelli)

Monaco 1980 - Tyrell (Jarier and Daly)

 

Other:
Canada 1982 - Osella (Paletti had a fatal crash, and Jarier withdrew).

Wow, that's one crazy F1 pile up that I've never seen surprisingly.

 

Absolutely insane that with 7-8 broken cars on the pit straight and outside of the first corner (including at least one still on the track) and marshals running everywhere plus a recovery vehicle on the track that they didn't restart they race or even have a safety car but instead continued racing at full speed through the carnage under yellow flags!

 

[HistoryFan]

It does seem like quite the number for both cars to retire on the first lap in one season. Another sad note about Lotus' campaign.

 

I briefly went to StatsF1 and checked the races of the top five or so people who have had the most first lap retirements to see if their teammates had also failed to complete the first lap. That resulted in this list: no doubt there are many more (and some might be disputable, of course).

 

Spain 2009 - Toro Rosso (Buemi and Bourdais)

United States 2006 - McLaren (Montoya and Räikkönen)

Hungary 2005 - Red Bull (Coulthard and Klien)

Australia 2002 - Sauber (Massa and Heidfeld)

Belgium 2001 [this race was restarted, so I'm not entirely sure here] - Sauber (Heidfeld and Räikkönen)

Italy 2000 - Jordan (Trulli and Frentzen)

Luxemburg 1997 - Jordan (Ralf Schumacher and Fisichella)

Monaco 1996 - Minardi (Lamy and Fisichella)

Hungary 1994 - Jordan (Barrichello and Irvine)

Germany 1994 - Minardi (Martini and Alborteo), Jordan (Barrichello and Irvine), Lotus (Zanardi and Herbert), and Sauber (Frentzen and De Cesaris)

Italy 1993 - Jordan (Barrichello and Apicella) and Footwork (Suzuki and Warwick)

Monaco 1984 - Renault (Warwick and Tambay)

Austria 1982 - Alfa Romeo (De Cesaris and Giacomelli)

Monaco 1980 - Tyrell (Jarier and Daly)

 

Other:
Canada 1982 - Osella (Paletti had a fatal crash, and Jarier withdrew).

 

Nice list!

[fridge46]

What, did one or both cross the s/f line once before retiring? They were both damaged on the first lap and retired shortly thereafter, I guess whether they crawled across the line once before their race ended is just a technicality.

 

Maldonado crawled back to the pits.

 

Grosjean finished Lap 1 in 7th, then parked it between the first chicane and curva grande

[paulogman]

There was zero coverage of the lotus. Did they really crash out?

Edited by paulogman, 07 September 2015 - 19:24.

[Collombin]

Silverstone 1973 must have had a few. Surtees' entire 3 man team were wiped out, and probably some other teams had double first lap retirements that day.

[DampMongoose]

I can remember seven pairs of team mates retiring on lap 1 of a single race.

Indy I imagine? Or The big one at Spa?

[Dan333SP]

Indy I imagine? Or The big one at Spa?

 

Gotta be Indy. 14 cars withdrew after the formation lap.

[oetzi]

I was thinking of Indy

On a related subject, when did the fewest team mates finish? I was at Monaco'96 so can start you of with 3.

[fridge46]

I was thinking of Indy

On a related subject, when did the fewest team mates finish? I was at Monaco'96 so can start you of with 3.

 

2 no? Sauber and McLaren (though Mika retired, he was still classified - does that count as finishing?)

[Dan333SP]

I was thinking of Indy

On a related subject, when did the fewest team mates finish? I was at Monaco'96 so can start you of with 3.

 

https://en.wikipedia...naco_Grand_Prix

 

4 classified finishers, 3 of them BRM drivers.

[oetzi]

2 no? Sauber and McLaren (though Mika retired, he was still classified - does that count as finishing?)

Lost me

[oetzi]

https://en.wikipedia...naco_Grand_Prix


4 classified finishers, 3 of them BRM drivers.

I guess that's the highest ever percentage of finishers

*waits to be corrected by a beard*

Edited by oetzi, 07 September 2015 - 20:35.

[scheivlak]

https://en.wikipedia...naco_Grand_Prix

 

4 classified finishers, 3 of them BRM drivers.

Strictly speaking 2 BRM drivers plus a privateer BRM 

[oetzi]

Actually, that doesn't count as a correction unless there was another occasion when more than 2 finishers out of 4 drive for the same team.

Kind of, really

Edited by oetzi, 07 September 2015 - 21:28.

[scheivlak]

Indy I imagine? Or The big one at Spa?

There was another big one at Spa - in 1966!

 

Only 7 cars - apart from Phil Hill's McLaren 'film car' (for Frankenheimer's movie "Grand Prix") that withdrew after the first lap - survived the first lap when the rain suddenly came down heavily halfway that lap .

 

Among the retirements were both works Lotus (Lotii?) and both works BRMs (the same ones that were among the few finishers the Monaco GP just before - see above).

[Cloxxki]

In Monaco GRO was braking before Max reached him, and GRO merrily went on his way to finish.

In Monzo someone punctures a tire against his car, but GRO retires with a broken suspension?

 

Seems odd.

[oetzi]

There was another big one at Spa - in 1966!

Only 7 cars - apart from Phil Hill's McLaren 'film car' (for Frankenheimer's movie "Grand Prix") that withdrew after the first lap - survived the first lap when the rain suddenly came down heavily halfway that lap .

Among the retirements were both works Lotus (Lotii?) and both works BRMs (the same ones that were among the few finishers the Monaco GP just before - see above).

That was what went through my head after the question (although before my time).

Edited by oetzi, 07 September 2015 - 21:30.

[scheivlak]

Actually, that doesn't count as a correction unless there was another occasion when more than 2 finishers out of 4 drive for the same team.

Kind of, really

It's not meant as a correction of your post 

Edited by scheivlak, 07 September 2015 - 21:33.

[DampMongoose]

There was another big one at Spa - in 1966!

Only 7 cars - apart from Phil Hill's McLaren 'film car' (for Frankenheimer's movie "Grand Prix") that withdrew after the first lap - survived the first lap when the rain suddenly came down heavily halfway that lap .

Among the retirements were both works Lotus (Lotii?) and both works BRMs (the same ones that were among the few finishers the Monaco GP just before - see above).

That is the one I was thinking of, it took me a second to realise which the other one was...

[fridge46]

Fewest number of teammates to finish? Zero

 

1967 Monaco Grand Prix: 6 classified finishers, all from different teams - Brabham, Lotus, Ferrari, McLaren, Cooper & BRM

 

EDIT: There is actually a more recent example

 

1996 Spanish Grand Prix: 6 classified finishers from 6 different teams - Ferrari, Benetton, Williams, Sauber, McLaren & Ligier

 

Further examples include: 1995 Australia, 1993 San Marino & South Africa, 1984 San Marino, 1983 Monaco, 1981 Great Britain*, 1979 USA and Monaco

 

*1981 British Grand Prix had the most classified finishers (11), all of which were from different teams.

 

I stopped at 1979 as before this year, teams sometimes ran upto 4 cars in some GPs

Edited by fridge46, 08 September 2015 - 00:02.