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[redraven9]

What does people have against safety cars? It's one of the best parts of the race.

Also, DRS... Drivers can't even overtake WITH DRS, what makes you think that no DRS would be any better?

[ViMaMo]

How about every F1 track should contain a kart track that is a scaled down version of the big track? I'd love to see all the F1 drivers kart on it on Friday(?).  Winning idea

[RedBaron]

How about every F1 track should contain a kart track that is a scaled down version of the big track? I'd love to see all the F1 drivers kart on it on Friday(?).  Winning idea

 

And on Thursday they should have a scaled down track inside the scaled down track and the drivers should race RC cars on it.

[ViMaMo]

And on Thursday they should have a scaled down track inside the scaled down track and the drivers should race RC cars on it.

 

[Atreiu]

Are you a bitter DRACONE fan?

 

 

No idea who that is.

I live in the US and watch enough Indycar, but all the yellows and pit closures and crashes turn me off. Seems like the first half of the race means nothing except for those who crash out.

 

And these cars aren't really beautiful.

[Atreiu]

My idea for quick cost free fix:

 

- reversed grids with entirely different point system.

[Retrofly]

No

[Frank Tuesday]

I am not sure what value a sprint race would add. If we don't address the issues relating to competition, pushing to the limit and allowing cars to follow/overtake and battle each other closely, you're just creating a second race with the same 'flaws'.

 

This way we can have more safety car periods to increase the excitement.  I'm getting aroused just thinking about safety cars on a Saturday.  The sprint race will double the number of days per year that we have excitement inducing safety cars.  Isn't that enough reason right there.  Oh my, I'm getting flush just thinking about it.  Think anyone at work will notice if I spend too long in the loo? 

Edited by Frank Tuesday, 11 September 2015 - 14:43.

[Frank Tuesday]

My free solution:  If you don't like watching cars race, turn off the tv and find something you enjoy more.  I get my racing fix with motocross, MotoGP and cyclocross.  F1 doesn't excite me so much anymore, so I just quit watching.  When they get rid of DRS, make drivers stay on the track, and quit using SC, I'll start watching again. 

[johnmhinds]

My free solution:  If you don't like watching cars race, turn off the tv and find something you enjoy more.  I get my racing fix with motocross, MotoGP and cyclocross.  F1 doesn't excite me so much anymore, so I just quit watching.  When they get rid of DRS, make drivers stay on the track, and quit using SC, I'll start watching again. 

 

This will probably come across to some people as you saying "if you don't like it go away and do something else" but I agree with you.

 

I don't enjoy watching or playing Golf at all, but me and my friends enjoy Crazy Golf. But I wouldn't go on golf forums and suggest that it's a reason that all golf courses should put in giant windmills to make normal golf exciting for us.

 

Going on an F1 forum and saying the sport should be like some other motorsport is just as silly, if you enjoy watching sprint races more you should support and watch that kind of racing, not try and change F1 into sprint racing just to suit your tastes. You'd be ripping some of the diversity out of the sport.

Edited by johnmhinds, 11 September 2015 - 16:57.

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

Seriously, anybody supporting this kind of crap, why don't you just go and watch Indycar ? There's already a series where they do this. Why would anybody want to make F1 just like Indycar ?

 

Because it would make a lot of Formula One races a heck of a lot less boring.

 

Obviously, there are many why do not want such a radical change to their mental inertia, quoting such things as "DNA" and "purity".

 

But everything in Formula One is contrived and artificial. The cars are bespoke, they race on billiard table smooth tracks with grandstands for the audience. They don't even race the same distances as when Formula One started out. And if anyone wants to mention the essence of Formula One, it is about change. Every decade the cars are completely different, nothing remains the same.

 

We now have DRS, hybrid power units, and such melodrama where an underinflated tire caused some fan's heads to explode and was the talking point after Monza. I wish some fans would understand that Formula One has sunk to a new low, where the actual combat between drivers is infrequent, what happens during the race is either incredibly boring, the quality of "racing" is definitely sub-par.

 

And just like NASCAR and Indycar that do practice cautions, even though some unknown can win, in the long haul and at the end fo the season, the better cars and drivers do wind up on top.

 

Remember that car that sat in the middle of the track at Hockenheim, where we saw some marshals run across the track and push it out of the way while the race was running? Or how about Bianchi? That alone is reason enough to seriously consider this fantastic option.

 

And for those who do watch NASCAR or Indycar, we all know that a caution is time for a pee break and another cold beer.

[johnmhinds]

Blinky you're making a good general argument for the sport to continue to evolve, but it's not a good argument for race control being over eager to implement safety car periods to "spice up" the racing.

 

The general consensus i've seen amongst NASCAR and IndyCar drivers who post in the race threads of here is that they don't like it when the race gets interrupted for no reason.

[Lemans]

Easy answer. Watch the race with the person in my avatar.

[pizzalover]

Easy answer. Watch the race with the person in my avatar.

You mean that's not you? 

[pizzalover]

Reverse grids. That's was easy. Next.

[JHSingo]

Reverse grids. That's was easy. Next.

 

Given how much faster Mercedes is than everyone else, they'll probably still be 1-2 by lap five even if they started at the back.

 

For me, success ballast would be a better idea. Like a similar thing to BTCC, which means that the fastest guys can still win, but they have to work a lot harder for it.

[Lemans]

You mean that's not you? 

 

Nope. Sorry.

[Vettelari]

Because it would make a lot of Formula One races a heck of a lot less boring.

 

Obviously, there are many why do not want such a radical change to their mental inertia, quoting such things as "DNA" and "purity".

 

But everything in Formula One is contrived and artificial. The cars are bespoke, they race on billiard table smooth tracks with grandstands for the audience. They don't even race the same distances as when Formula One started out. And if anyone wants to mention the essence of Formula One, it is about change. Every decade the cars are completely different, nothing remains the same.

 

We now have DRS, hybrid power units, and such melodrama where an underinflated tire caused some fan's heads to explode and was the talking point after Monza. I wish some fans would understand that Formula One has sunk to a new low, where the actual combat between drivers is infrequent, what happens during the race is either incredibly boring, the quality of "racing" is definitely sub-par.

 

And just like NASCAR and Indycar that do practice cautions, even though some unknown can win, in the long haul and at the end fo the season, the better cars and drivers do wind up on top.

 

Remember that car that sat in the middle of the track at Hockenheim, where we saw some marshals run across the track and push it out of the way while the race was running? Or how about Bianchi? That alone is reason enough to seriously consider this fantastic option.

 

And for those who do watch NASCAR or Indycar, we all know that a caution is time for a pee break and another cold beer.

 

YES, YES, 100% YES!

 

Everything that I meant to say, but in a much more articulate manner than me trying to type on my cell phone with my fat fingers.

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

Blinky you're making a good general argument for the sport to continue to evolve, but it's not a good argument for race control being over eager to implement safety car periods to "spice up" the racing.

 

The general consensus i've seen amongst NASCAR and IndyCar drivers who post in the race threads of here is that they don't like it when the race gets interrupted for no reason.

 

But Formula One races are incredibly boring, and many changes made recently have been just to "spice it up". DRS, the tires, pre-race coverage, post race podium ceremony, and many other methods are in place just to add attraction, while the sole reason to watch should be what happens between the cars during a race.

 

I'm one of those old timers who was a part of a very small community. We had to scour specific magazines and periodicals to find out about races, we had to travel many miles and spend our weekends in wet tents just to see the action. I have no bad feeling against any modern fans, but Formula One is now an entertainment sport, it has changed radically since I first got interested. No, it's not WWE (at least, not yet) but I have accepted that Formula One is first and foremost an entertainment sport, broadcast at a convenient time for the target audience, at a convenient time frame, attracting many fans who watch not for the actual "racing" but peripheral interests, the drivers, teams, maybe even just because of a celebrity.

 

As far as drivers getting upset when a caution comes out (reference Montoya), tough s--t. The race isn't there for them, it's there for the fans. The drivers are paid to do a job, pure and simple. Many drivers do not like cautions, but they also understand that without such entertainment augmentation, the sport would not have as many fans, and thus they would not be making the kind of salary they enjoy. If Brian France did not start throwing cautions to spice up the show, drivers would probably be making a pittance compared to what they now enjoy.

[johnmhinds]

I don't accept the premise that F1 racing is "incredibly boring".

And like I said I agree with the general topic of adding entertainment.

I just don't see how the idea of adding in caution periods does that.

If you want say 4-6 safety cars each race to keep bunching up the pack you're going to lose about 12-18 laps of the race..

Is the slight flurry of action from a restart worth spending a quarter of the race behind the safety car doing nothing??

What kind of racing are you even advocating for here, tiny bursts of action controlled by Charlie Whiting, split up by periods of absolutely nothing? How is that in any way better than what we have now?

It sounds like a terrible way to hold a motor race..