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[Henri Greuter]

I think that if there ever was a chance of VW buying Red Bull or go into F1 for that matter, that is something not to happen anymore for the foreseeable future.

Not F1 related but still....

 

I have fears in how much the VW affair will affect the the Audi and Porsche WEC projects. Can these partnerswithin the VAG group stay out ot troubles now the biggest sister (which had supported the little sisters so much) is in grave difficulties?

 

Henri

[skc]

If VW managed to survice the Nazi association, they will easily survive this.

[Rinehart]

Here's a little update for you guys who may have been following my posts in the Red Bull vs Renault thread, as that seems to have died:

1. Everyone at the factory has been told to stop working on the RB12. 
2. Interestingly, everyone has been told any work they do complete must be designed for a Ferrari or STILL Mercedes powerplant, but definitely not Renault

3. The top brass seem either oddly confident or ignorant of what's going on, as if they know something and have been told to keep quiet. 

 

Current theory in the factory is: Ferrari to supply both teams for next year or two, and then VAG to come in some form, either as supplier or owner. Likely RB to buy F1 if Audi buys the team, with Toro Rosso staying on as Junior team for the series. 

 

 

Nothing like an insider whose about a month behind everyone else and believes everything they are told including debunked theories!  

[noikeee]

I think that if there ever was a chance of VW buying Red Bull or go into F1 for that matter, that is something not to happen anymore for the foreseeable future.

Not F1 related but still....

 

I have fears in how much the VW affair will affect the the Audi and Porsche WEC projects. Can these partnerswithin the VAG group stay out ot troubles now the biggest sister (which had supported the little sisters so much) is in grave difficulties?

 

Henri

 

And the WRC project. Has Ogier moaned about this yet?

[kraduk]

Sorry, Buttoneer, but once upon a time I was a member of the Paddock Club, and the topics there were enough to turn my stomach. If you won't allow F1 and motorsports fans to discuss topics that deeply involve manufacturers, then what is the point of having this forum at all.

You are more than welcome to delete all my posts on this subject if you wish, if in that case you choose to do so, maybe you should rename this forum to something other than 'Readers Comments', since comments are no longer welcome. 

 

 

 

I have been in this forum a reasonable amount of time, but am not that prolific. I have never applied to the paddock club, as I am put off by the fact that I "must beg". Screw that, i like coming here but the forum mods are not better than me or anyone else in here, and i find it offensive that whoever wrote the forum description felt the need to exert their overly large ego on the customers of autosport/haymarket, after all it is them who pay to keep this forum online. 

 

 

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Edited by kraduk, 23 September 2015 - 09:26.

[BRG]

I have been in this forum a reasonable amount of time, but am not that prolific. I have never applied to the paddock club, as I am put off by the fact that I "must beg". Screw that, i like coming here but the forum mods are not better than me or anyone else in here, and i find it offensive that whoever wrote the forum description felt the need to exert their overly large ego on the customers of autosport/haymarket, after all it is them who pay to keep this forum online. 

 

 

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Actually, that 'begging' thing long predates Autosport's take over of the former Atlas forum.  It was one of Bira's ideas, I seem to recall, and believe me, you had to treat that lady with the utmost respect.  Begging was the least of it!

 

But I agree with you somewhat, and I have never bothered with the Paddock Club for just that reason.

[CurbPainter]

 

Nothing like an insider whose about a month behind everyone else and believes everything they are told including debunked theories!  

 

Horner for the first time admitted VAG has serious interest, so there's not that much wrong with that post.   

Edited by CurbPainter, 23 September 2015 - 17:08.

[Anders Torp]

Horner for the first time admitted VAG has serious interest, so there's not that much wrong with that post.

It's VAG that would "admit" to serious interest on their part, not Horner.

[pdac]

Horner for the first time admitted VAG has serious interest, so there's not that much wrong with that post.   

 

He would say that though. Serious interest is by no means a done deal and if he's been getting that feeling from talks with Winterkorn, that serious interest might have just evaporated.

[superden]

Eddie was robbed I tell you, robbed.

[jstrains]

Winterkorn has left VW

[gowebber]

Holy **** this is big. 77 billion!! Trust uni students to find the problem hehe. I hope it doesn't effect my order for a new Golf R Wolfsburg wagon :/ Gonna be hard to see VW coming into F1 now with this huge problem.

 

"On top of giant fines, the company has set aside a staggering $10 billion for rectification work and compensation claims, but that figure could rise and economic experts warn the catastrophe could be bigger than Greece. In total, it could cost the company $77 billion."

 

http://www.news.com....medium=Facebook

[LuckyStrike1]

I think there's been changes to Eddie Jordans rumour in recent days ..... 

[David Lightman]

I wish there was a software trick that could lower the amount of noxious emissions that come out of EJ's mouth.

[kraduk]

Actually, that 'begging' thing long predates Autosport's take over of the former Atlas forum.  It was one of Bira's ideas, I seem to recall, and believe me, you had to treat that lady with the utmost respect.  Begging was the least of it!

 

But I agree with you somewhat, and I have never bothered with the Paddock Club for just that reason.

 

Of course I forgot forum descriptions are immutable, how silly of me. 

[GhostR]

Newspapers are starting to speculate about a bankruptcy for VAG when all 11 million involved cars must be recalled and adjusted, plus receiving fines from various countries. It depends if the emissions of the cars outside the USA comply with local emission rules.

While I do not think that there will be a bankruptcy, this will have a big hit on VW's Q4 2015 and total 2016 turnover and they could be forced to break the VAG group up to generate cash for VW. Selling off MAN/Scania, Bentley, Bugatti and such to competitors or as a seperate entity on the stock market (devaluing the current shares). I really wonder what will happen on the DAX today with VW. That RBR buyout should be signed already, else it won't happen.
 

 

It does no one any good to drive VW to the bankruptcy wall. They're big enough that the ripples that would result would have worldwide ramifications. This will take years to play out, and during those years back-room negotiations will happen around the world to make sure that whatever fines etc do get levied (and they will) will only reach a level designed to teach them a lesson without sending them down. Another option, if this gets big enough, is for the big nations to cooperate on pushing through a forced break up of the conglomerate. It's an opportunity to bring back a bit more competition, by breaking up VAG it means they can then go big on punishing the brands directly involved (VW and Audi) and leave the uninvolved brands relatively unscathed (beyond needing to find their feet as independents in a suddenly far more competitive environment).

 

I'm now very doubtful that anything will happen in F1 from VAG. If it does, it won't be Audi's name on it - it'll be one of the untarnished brands instead, and they'll be doing it out of "their" marketing budget (not the VW budget). With Winterkorn gone, though, I don't see it happening.

[gowebber]

Good analysis story here on the whole debacle and what can be done to try and rectify it.

 

http://www.aljazeera...3174923997.html

Edited by gowebber, 24 September 2015 - 09:22.

[bill p]

 

 

[Diablobb81]

They have a 200 billion revenue and 20 billion profit and they are too big to fail.

I'm curious how big of an image and sales hit they will take but they'll survive.

For years we had the Takata airbags scandal and everyone survived.

Edited by Diablobb81, 24 September 2015 - 15:40.

[ensign14]

It does no one any good to drive VW to the bankruptcy wall.

 

Yes it does.  It tells other big businesses not to **** around.

 

There might be a better solution.  Give Winterkorn 10 years inside.  He admitted he was responsible.  He wants the big bucks for VW's successes; let him take the big hit for VW's failures.

[igoru]

Verstappen is the greatest thing to have ever lived on this earth. I have formally changed my name to Verstappen Verstappen

You must be nine years old.

[SophieB]

 

 

Tobias Grüner F1 retweeted

The Buxton Blog ‏@thebuxtonblog  15m15 minutes ago

Horner to @NBCSN this afternoon, believes any chance of a VW / Red Bull deal has now "gone up in smoke."

[Marklar]

 
 
Tobias Grüner F1 retweeted

The Buxton Blog ‏@thebuxtonblog  15m15 minutes ago
Horner to @NBCSN this afternoon, believes any chance of a VW / Red Bull deal has now "gone up in smoke."

Literally

[SenorSjon]

The one needed to rubberstamp the deal is no longer in command of VAG...

[ensign14]

 

 

 

Tobias Grüner F1 retweeted

The Buxton Blog ‏@thebuxtonblog  15m15 minutes ago

Horner to @NBCSN this afternoon, believes any chance of a VW / Red Bull deal has now "gone up in smoke."

 

 

Non habemus papam.

[Spillage]

 

 

 

 

The Buxton Blog ‏@thebuxtonblog

Horner to @NBCSN this afternoon, believes any chance of a VW / Red Bull deal has now "gone up in smoke."

 

9:10 AM - 25 Sep 2015

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[oetzi]

Porsche man got the job.

[SealTheDiffuser]

Porsche man got the job.

 

haha that's it with Audi wannabee F1 dreams

 

btw NOx is visible?

[PassWind]

I have been in this forum a reasonable amount of time, but am not that prolific. I have never applied to the paddock club, as I am put off by the fact that I "must beg". Screw that, i like coming here but the forum mods are not better than me or anyone else in here, and i find it offensive that whoever wrote the forum description felt the need to exert their overly large ego on the customers of autosport/haymarket, after all it is them who pay to keep this forum online. 

 

 

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Probably a good decision then, as your sarcasm detector is way to broken to survive the PC. 

[Petroltorque]

Herr Muller: we need to sell more diesels to the Americans..... But seriously The US take a dim view of white collar crime as Bernie Maidoff can testify. Corporate law in the US states that any malfeasance by a lower employee immediately incriminates the companies board.

[oetzi]

we need to sell more diesels

Diesel is finished. They need to tempt TDI man to petrol.

[Darrenj]

VW has a lot of turbo diesel  engines lying around now... Red Bull could get em for free, 

[ExFlagMan]

Diesel is finished. They need to tempt TDI man to petrol. 

By allegedly fiddling petrol engine emissions as well...

[pdac]

Wow, this whole Red Bull thing has blown up since the start of this thread and we haven't really heard much more from EJ - is he still sticking with the VW to buy Red Bull thing?

[jjcale]

By allegedly fiddling petrol engine emissions as well...

Petrol is not anywhere near as bad for the environment as diesel.... its just that folks need to get over the AGW theoretical nonsense and start thinking again about about real things that are actually happening now instead of what may happen in 50 years time according to some douche-bag's model.

[Lee Nicolle]

Wow, this whole Red Bull thing has blown up since the start of this thread and we haven't really heard much more from EJ - is he still sticking with the VW to buy Red Bull thing?

As has been said any chance of VW buying/ supplying Red Bull or anyone else has gone up in a cloud of diesel smoke!

Eddie may well have been right when he made the statement but the VW group will be lucky to survive. Probably broken up into individual manufacturers again. Will they all survive?

[lbennie]

Wow, this whole Red Bull thing has blown up since the start of this thread and we haven't really heard much more from EJ - is he still sticking with the VW to buy Red Bull thing?

 

Doubt it, he said this before the whole VW scandal went down. Whatever plans they had are no doubt up in smoke now (sorry  )

[pdac]

Doubt it, he said this before the whole VW scandal went down. Whatever plans they had are no doubt up in smoke now (sorry  )

 

But he has been surpisingly silent. I would have thought he might at least come out and say what he thinks is going to happen now.

[SpeedRacer`]

But he has been surpisingly silent. I would have thought he might at least come out and say what he thinks is going to happen now.

 

I don't think he's been on the BBC for a while, to be fair. He doesn't often do the highlights races and I think he missed a couple of live ones recently as well.

[pdac]

I don't think he's been on the BBC for a while, to be fair. He doesn't often do the highlights races and I think he missed a couple of live ones recently as well.

 

Fair point. I wonder if he's not really interested in that gig anymore. I know that he never really seemed keen to do any fly-away ones. Maybe he has other things to occupy him these days.