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#1 matrix666777

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:10

With today's results and Mercedes struggles, Vettel has still a loooong shot at the title. I'm wondering what's the expected engine "importance" in the six remaining races. If we put Monaco/Singapore at 0 and Monza/Spa at 10, I would say:

 

- Japan 8 (full throttle 70%, in 2014 gap from Ferrari to Mercedes, 1.2s)

- Russia 6 (full throttle 56%, in 2014 gap from Toro Rosso to Mercedes, 0.7s)

- US, 5 (full throttle 49%, in 2014 gap from Red Bull to Mercedes, 1.2s)

- Mexico 6, (in 2014 no data)

- Brazil 6, (full throttle 50%, in 2014 gap from Red Bull to Mercedes, 0.9s)

- Abu Dhabi 7, (full throttle 59%, in 2014 gap from Toro Rosso to Mercedes, 1.5s)

 

I would say with some bad luck for Hamilton in Japan and Abu Dhabi, Vettel has a shot :)



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#2 superdelphinus

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:26

Merc still have the best engine. Time will tell but the chances are that Singapore was the second 'blip' this season along with Malaysia. I expect qualifying to be close but the merc to streak away in most of the races. All it takes is for a couple of engine blow ups though and everything gets quite exciting (or the opposite, depending on which car!).

#3 superdelphinus

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:26

It's weird but I thought Brazil was much higher than 50% on full throttle

#4 Marklar

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:26

Suzuka is almost as engine important as in Monza/Spa, Mexico is apparentely also an power track. And all the other circuits especially Brazil are also demanding an strong engine...

#5 ThisIsMischaW

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:30

Hard to predict really as we don't know why Mercedes lost 2s of pace this weekend.



#6 Jacobss

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:33

Any ideas when the teams will use their remaining engine tokens? That could spice the things up, knowing that Mercedes used all of their tokens. :stoned: 



#7 nosecone

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:35

It's weird but I thought Brazil was much higher than 50% on full throttle

 

Me too. All the way up the hill, plus the Reta Oposta. Also the short straight to the Ferradura.

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#8 Marklar

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:36

Any ideas when the teams will use their remaining engine tokens? That could spice the things up, knowing that Mercedes used all of their tokens. :stoned:

Should Ferrari use the other tokens they will suffer an grid penalty by the way. It would make sense around the USA GP

Edited by Marklar, 20 September 2015 - 19:37.


#9 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:38

Wouldn't surprise me if Mercedes bolt in the old engine again. They still had a healthy lead even with the old one. And the new one doesn't seem that reliable at all.



#10 Marklar

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 19:42

Wouldn't surprise me if Mercedes bolt in the old engine again. They still had a healthy lead even with the old one. And the new one doesn't seem that reliable at all.

They can just do it with Hamilton w/o getting penalized though if it is even possible to use fresh old specs.

#11 Jimisgod

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 20:55

Mexico and Japan will be Merc walkovers. Judging by this Ferrari's best hopes are USA and Brazil.



#12 Goron3

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:01

Mexico and Japan will be Merc walkovers. Judging by this Ferrari's best hopes are USA and Brazil.

Ferrari will have to take a penalty at one of those races in order to take the new engine (with the final tokens). I wonder where they'll take it?



#13 Exb

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:07

Depends if there are any more wet races - a bit of rain always seems to reduce a power advantage.
Probably Red Bulls only chance at another podium.
It may help or hinder Ferrari as much as Mercedes though?

#14 Jordan44

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:13

Wouldn't surprise me if Mercedes bolt in the old engine again. They still had a healthy lead even with the old one. And the new one doesn't seem that reliable at all.


There's no evidence it's unreliable. We've seen two failures so far. Hamilton's we have no idea if that clamp was the same as they were using on the old spec, they haven't said. If it's the same issue Massa had in Canada, which was a turbo fixing, then it's clearly not the new engine. Rosberg's was a chassis issue, not with the engine. It could have happened at any point in the season.

Edited by J0rd4n, 20 September 2015 - 21:15.


#15 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:43

Merc still have the best engine. Time will tell but the chances are that Singapore was the second 'blip' this season along with Malaysia. I expect qualifying to be close but the merc to streak away in most of the races. All it takes is for a couple of engine blow ups though and everything gets quite exciting (or the opposite, depending on which car!).

Though at this end of the season those engines seem to be a bit fragile too. Or is it the electric bit? 


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 20 September 2015 - 21:44.


#16 TomNokoe

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:47

Russia is somewhat decieving, that place has huge straights

#17 Jordan44

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:48

Though at this end of the season those engines seem to be a bit fragile too. Or is it the electric bit?


If you mean Merc, two unrelated failures. Nico's problem was a defect in the chassis cooling system which resulted in a water leak, so not the upgraded engine itself, although it could have damaged it. Lewis had a turbo clamp/fixing failure. Don't know whether that's a result of the upgraded engine or not yet but Massa had something similar with the old spec engine in Canada.

Edited by J0rd4n, 20 September 2015 - 21:50.


#18 Enzoluis

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:50

It will be usefull put the qualy gaps in % of time in ordeer to level the lap time.



#19 Spillage

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 21:55

Wasn't Ted Kravitz saying today that the Ferrari engine is now as powerful as the Mercedes?



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#20 Jordan44

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 22:04

Wasn't Ted Kravitz saying today that the Ferrari engine is now as powerful as the Mercedes?


I struggle to believe that based on the Merc domination we saw in Monza... You could visibly see Lewis pulling away on the straights.

#21 xtremeclock

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 22:14

I struggle to believe that based on the Merc domination we saw in Monza... You could visibly see Lewis pulling away on the straights.

 

Hard to compare considering Mercedes has a much better chassis, anyhow Ferrari did a wonderful job closing the gap, can't wait to see how good is going to be their next engine upgrade. 



#22 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 22:55

Should Ferrari use the other tokens they will suffer an grid penalty by the way. It would make sense around the USA GP

 

Exactly. Qualifying around P12 could mean that with a little bit of luck in terms of potential SC and ability to quickly pass other cars, they could finish in the top-5.