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#1 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 13:59

There's been some discussion about how some returning circuits have changed and about how some were perceived in the past so I had an idea for a sort of game. I found an old coffee table book about F1 and in a sort of season review section, Ken Tyrrell gives his views on each of the circuits from that year. Now I won't tell you which year, but I'll put his descriptions of 8 circuits. Some are current F1 venues and others are long gone. But see if you can guess which ones he's talking about.

 

1)

The circuit was brand new for [this year] with excellent facilities and up-to-date pits which, from a team manager's point of view, is always important. It calls for a well-balanced car because it has numerous corners and not much of a straight. It is the sort of circuit where a well set-up car will always do well. There are few opportunities for overtaking; really only the pits straight - and even that follows a relatively slow corner. Since all the cars go round slow corners at the same speed, it is rally difficult to develop a passing manoeuvre.

 

2)

This is a particularly interesting circuit. There is a long straight with a slow corner at the end of it which brings out the very worst in braking problems. It is a circuit which is very, very hard on brakes and also very heavy on fuel, as witness the number of cars which have run dry here. The facilities are excellent and it is a very well-run motor race.

 

3)

This is a wonderful circuit. It is great for spectators who can watch the cars through all those beautiful corners at the far end of the circuit; and there are excellent facilities for the teams in the new pits. It is exactly the opposite of Monaco, with plenty of overtaking opportunities. It is an 'engine circuit', where you really need a powerful car, and because engines are used particularly hard it is very tough on them.

 

4)

From my point of view this is probably the least interesting circuit in the whole grand-prix [sic] series. It is just wide open spaces with little character. It could do with some gradients to make it more interesting, as at Spa. Admittedly, the race organisers shortened the circuit ... so that the spectators were able to see the cars more often. But for the racing teams the circuit's only saving grace is that facilities in the pits and paddock are good.

 

5)

From the crowd's point of view this is one of the best circuits in the world. It is a wonderful place to watch cars, and it almost always produces and exciting motor race. It is very difficult to set up a car to give optimum performance here. You simply must have a well-balanced car [here], otherwise you are not going to be in the picture. And it's a driver's circuit, too, with several challenges. [There] is a spectacular and difficult corner because it is approached at high speed, and then the road falls away as the cars go down the hill. By modern standards the facilities for the teams are not top class, but there is always tremendous atmosphere.

 

6)

This has become one of the classic circuits. With a substantial backdrop of wooded hills, it has a really beautiful setting. It draws much of its strength, as far as spectators are concerned, by being close to the Italian border, and so attracts a lot of Italians. It has seen some memorable races and very close finishes. And it is one of the few circuits here my team has never won a grand prix!

 

7)

I think this is a good circuit, a very interesting circuit. It has a little bit of everything - fast corners, slow corners and a longish straight. I've never quite understood why it fails to attract a good crowd. Facilities for the team are good and and I think most drivers enjoy driving there. They have the opportunity to think between corners, and this makes it a good circuit for testing.

 

8)

It was nice to have the grand-prix [sic] circus return [here] once more, and they had done a terrific job in modernising the facilities. There are quite a few changes from the track we knew in the [old days], and it is now quite an interesting circuit. The problem for the teams is the altitude, although the performance of turbocharged cars is to some extent restored by the fact they have forced induction.

 

Let's see if any of you can guess them all.



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#2 Kristian

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:12

I'm going to guess its 1986

 

1. Budapest

2. Montreal

3. Mexico City

4. Paul Ricard

5. Imola

6. Osterreichring

7. Estoril

8. Interlagos

 

Close? 



#3 Afterburner

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:13

1. Hungary

2. Montreal

3. Spa

4. Bahrain

5. Suzuka

6. Imola

7. Barcelona

8. Austria

 

EDIT: Just realised you said old coffee table book. :stoned: Changed my answer for 1 but no idea where he's talking about for 4.


Edited by Afterburner, 22 September 2015 - 14:14.


#4 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:16

OK I won't give away the answers just yet, but so far.

 

Kristian - 3/8, but 2 more out of place.

 

Afterburner - 1/8, but also two more out of place.



#5 JeePee

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:23

1. Hungaroring

2. Montreal

3. Monza

4. Paul Ricard

5. Brands Hatch

6. Osterrechring

7. Estoril

8. Jacarepaqua


Edited by JeePee, 22 September 2015 - 14:24.


#6 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:25

Jeepee, same 3/8 as Kristian.

 

Between the 3 of you, you've got 3, 4, 6 and 7 right.



#7 JeePee

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:27

I changed 5. Zandvoort to Brands Hatch  :yawnface: First I thought that corner he talked about was 'Scheivlak', but now I'm guessing Paddock Hill Bend!


Edited by JeePee, 22 September 2015 - 14:32.


#8 Kristian

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:32

I changed 5. Zandvoort to Brands Hatch  :yawnface:

 

Ah yes that makes total sense, reading it again. 



#9 wj_gibson

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:37

The year is certainly 1986.

 

Suspect 1 might be Jerez, rather than the Hungaroring. That was new for '86 as well.

 

2 must be Imola if he is referring to drivers running out of fuel.

 

3 Spa

 

4 Paul Ricard

 

5 Brands Hatch

 

6 Osterreichring

 

7 Estoril

 

8 is Mexico City.

 

They are listed in the order in which they appeared on the calendar.


Edited by wj_gibson, 22 September 2015 - 14:42.


#10 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:40

You're on the right lines.

 

Between you all you've got 3-8 correct.



#11 wj_gibson

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:45

I made an edit to my post - have I got them all now?



#12 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:46

I'll just leave it a bit more so more people get a chance to play.


Edited by PayasYouRace, 22 September 2015 - 14:48.


#13 wj_gibson

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:48

Here is one for you - which circuit, in the Autosport season preview for (I think) 1999 (or thereabouts anyway) was given 1/10 (all the circuits were given a mark out of 10) and described as having "all the atmosphere of a Transit van" with the epithet that "no one likes it"?


Edited by wj_gibson, 22 September 2015 - 14:48.


#14 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:53

Here is one for you - which circuit, in the Autosport season preview for (I think) 1999 (or thereabouts anyway) was given 1/10 (all the circuits were given a mark out of 10) and described as having "all the atmosphere of a Transit van" with the epithet that "no one likes it"?

 

Of the circuits of the time, I'd have to guess Magny-Cours.



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:54

Is 2 Hockenheim?



#16 wj_gibson

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 14:54

Spot on (Magny-Cours).


Edited by wj_gibson, 22 September 2015 - 14:54.


#17 Kristian

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 15:23

Yeah I remember Magny Cours used to get lambasted so much back in the late 90s. Now we mourn its loss as a unique and challenging circuit - I guess that's how the standards of venues have dropped since the influx of the Tilked nations. 



#18 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 15:23

The year is 1986

 

1. Hungaroring

2. Montreal (or Adelaide)

3. Spa Francorchamps

4. Paul Ricard

5. Estoril

6. Osterreichring

7. Jerez

8. Mexico City


Edited by Frank Tuesday, 22 September 2015 - 15:26.


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 15:37

1) Hungaroring
2) Adelaide
3) Hockenheim
4) Paul Ricard
5) Interlagos
6) Österreichring
7) Estoril
8) Mexico


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 16:10

1. Hungaroring
2. Imola
3. Österreichring
4. Paul Ricard
5. Brands Hatch
6. Österreichring
7. Estoril
8. Mexico City

#21 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 19:29

Well some really great guesses here but wj_gibson is our champion. He got all 8!  :clap:

 

 

The year is certainly 1986.

 

Suspect 1 might be Jerez, rather than the Hungaroring. That was new for '86 as well.

 

2 must be Imola if he is referring to drivers running out of fuel.

 

3 Spa

 

4 Paul Ricard

 

5 Brands Hatch

 

6 Osterreichring

 

7 Estoril

 

8 is Mexico City.

 

They are listed in the order in which they appeared on the calendar.

 

Well done mate.  :up:



#22 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 20:08

I forgot about a couple changes to tracks since then.  Now Jerez has a long back straight down to Dry Sac, but in 1986, that straight wasn't really a straight.  And at Imola, the run to Tosa wasn't interrupted by the chicanes at Tamburello and Villeneuve.  Had I remembered those, I might have come up with different answers. 



#23 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 20:49

Tell you what, here are the other 8 so you can see just what Uncle Ken thought of them all. But they're not in order this time.

 

9)

This is definitely one of my favourites. [They] did a fantastic job in setting up the grand prix. It is a really interesting circuit. It is quite close to the city centre, has fine facilities and we've seen some wonderful motor racing there. It is very hard on the cars and transmissions. Like other circuits it presents a problem in choosing between the right amount of downforce for cornering and straight-line speed. For a street circuit is has a quite substantial straight, which is one of the few overtaking places.

 

10)

From the team's point of view, [this place] is a nightmare. It has no permanent facilities and every day we have to move several tons of equipment to the pits from the paddock alongside the harbour. And there is no shelter if it rains. It is really primitive for the teams. But it is the glamour race of the year because of the setting, and it is always a very hard fought race. It is very difficult for the drivers because there is no respite, no straight for them to take a breather: they have to concentrate the whole time. Opportunities for overtaking are very few indeed. In fact, with cars doing similar lap times there is no chance at all, unless a driver makes a mistake or gets baulked by a much slower car in a difficult place and offers his pursuer a momentary advantage.

 

11)

Facilities for the teams [here] are the most primitive of the permanent circuits. The pits are old and just about big enough to hold a toolbox! There is always a big problem with the crowds. In spite of the fencing they invariably find a way through into the paddock after the race has finished (and some of them even before), so there is a mad rush to get all our equipment in behind closed doors. The racing was much closer before they brought in the chicanes - we often saw two, three, even four cars going over the finishing line together. We don't see that now. Nevertheless, I think it is quite an interesting circuit and there is something special about racing [here] because of the tradition. It is very hard on brakes and very heavy on fuel consumption, but it's a relatively easy circuit for a driver because, apart from two places, it is really all straights and chicanes.

 

12)

I think it's a wonderful idea holding a grand prix on an island where there is no public parking. The crowds all walk over from another nearby island, leaving their cars there or arriving by Metro. From the team's point of view it is like Monte Carlo, with the paddock a quarter of a mile away from the pits and no shelter in the pits at all. It is a circuit very heavy on fuel - probably the thirstiest on the calendar - and also very hard on brakes. It overs the drivers several challenges, particularly the fast corner after the pits. The once serious design fault is that this corner is too close to the pits exit, which can make for dangerous situations.

 

13)

The chief problem for the teams is that they arrive from a European winter and are thrown overnight into tremendous heat and humidity. As to the track, its surface is very abrasive, which means that the higher powered cars have to change tires at least twice. But new tyres, when warmed up, produce a considerable advantage, so that a driver can soon pull back time lost in the pits. The drivers have an additional problem: there is a great strain on neck muscles through two very long left-hand corners. This is particularly evident if they haven't been [here] for pre-season testing, since they will not have been using those muscles during the close season.

 

14)

This brand new circuit got a wonderful reception from the public. The crowd are a long way from the action but they seemed to like it. At least they went in their numbers. It is a very slow circuit - the slowest of the non-street races by a long way - but is is an excellent modern facility and I found it a most interesting track. Drivers complained that it was too slow but I think a circuit like this serves a purpose. The beauty of grand-prix racing is the variation in the type of circuits, and I think there's a place for a circuit like [this] in the calendar.

 

15)

We were told before we went [here] what an awful place it was going to be. That is not my experience: I think it is an excellent race circuit. The drivers complain about it being bumpy, but it is a street race. It brings out something quite different in cars and drivers and is tremendously demanding on both. There are many slow corners, many of them taken in second gear, which makes it very hard on transmissions and also tough on brakes. The driver is travelling between concrete walls the whole time; there is little opportunity for anyone to overtake and no opportunity to relax. The paddock is outstanding but the teams have to drag all their equipment from there to the pits. Having to rush back to the paddock to get something which has been forgotten turns what normally is a chore into a nightmare. And with the pits uncovered you hope like hell it's not going to rain.

 

16)

The present track was commissioned [years ago], since when three chicanes have been added to slow the cars on the long, high-speed straights. The pits are well-planned, but somehow the place has none of the atmosphere of the [other circuit]. Almost all the the spectators are crammed in the so-called stadium area, where they can see only about one third of the circuit - section where it is almost impossible to overtake. No, not a very interesting circuit for either the drivers or the public.

 

I'm sure you can get them all now. I think these were a bit easier anyway which is why I didn't put them in the OP.



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 20:59

My guesses without looking at others':
 
1) Jarama
2) Fuji
3) Brands Hatch
4) Paul Ricard
5) Interlagos
6) Österreichring
7) Estoril
8) Mexico City


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 21:07

09) Montreal
10) Monte-Carlo
11) Monza
12) Detroit
13) Interlagos
14) Hungaroring
15) Las Vegas
16) Hockenheim


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 21:14

9. Adelaide
10. Monaco
11. Monza
12. Montreal
13. Rio?
14. Budapest
15. Detroit?
16. Hockenheim

#27 Dan333SP

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 21:21

Great posts, thanks OP!

9) I thought this was Montreal initially, but I think Montreal has to be #12, so this would be Adelaide.

10) Monaco

11) Monza

12) Montreal. This threw me for a second until I remembered that the pits used to be just outside the hairpin and the back straight was a series of sweeping bends past the casino. All of them were re-profiled in the early/mid 90s and the pits relocated in the late 80s, I think.

13) Jacarepaguá

14) Hungary

15) Detroit

16) Hockenheim

You're right, these are definitely easier than the first 8 you posted. Still, very cool topic.



#28 ANF

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 21:24

Not only did I not look at others' guesses – I didn't look at my own and somehow managed to end up with two Österreichrings. :rolleyes:



#29 ANF

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 21:33

I think EightGear is right about the last eight?



#30 PayasYouRace

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 21:57

9. Adelaide
10. Monaco
11. Monza
12. Montreal
13. Rio?
14. Budapest
15. Detroit?
16. Hockenheim

 

That's right.  :up:



#31 noikeee

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 22:25

Haven't read any post past the first
 
1. Hungaroring
2. Montreal
3. Spa
4. Paul Ricard
5. Imola
6. Osterreichring
7. Estoril
8. Mexico City
 
edit: 5/8 wasn't too bad, I'm happy with that

Edited by noikeee, 22 September 2015 - 22:44.