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[V8 Fireworks]

Red Bull leaving F1 would make a bit of a pickle.  I suppose Ferrari and Mercedes would be required to field additional B-teams (on top of their existing Manor and HAAS plans).

 

Anyhow, there are SO many great circuits and quality drivers overlooked by F1 or FOM that I think a Red Bull World Series for grand prix racing would be just fantastic IMO.  So let's talk about Red Bull's possible "Red Bull World Series".

 

^ Scribble out AIr Race and write Grand Prix instead 

 

If any company has the promotional and logistical ability and resoruces to pull it off it's Red Bull.  It wouldn't surprise in the slightest if a full field of 20-22 spec Red Bull Technology cars with Cosworth V10s engines, cost LESS to build and run than just Toro Rosso and Red Bull Racing fielding 4 cars; so much of the expense of F1 is backroom R&D (to make your car ever so slightly faster than somebody's else's entirely very similar car) which makes no difference to the fans and is really pointless IMO.  In that way the show would come first; no doubt ticket prices would be far, far cheaper than for F1 events too. 

 

Here's my "fantasy" driver line-up and calendar. 

 

RB with their RBR+STR money could set up and supply a whole breakaway series with cars lapping on par with or faster than F1. Offering seats to all the talents we are discussion on these forums.
F3, GP3, GP2, DTM teams would be welcomed to take part. It would be the Red Bull Racing series, with RB sponsoring around the tracks and perhaps on some cars/suits. England and Austria for design/management, Italy for production.

           

 

Cosworth V10s please 

 

Arden Red Bull - Cosworth

Ricciardo/Kvyat

 

Toro Rosso Red Bull - Cosworth

Verstappen/Sainz

 

ART Red Bull - Cosworth

Magnussen / Kobayashi

 

DAMS Red Bull - Cosworth

Gasly / di Resta

 

Trident Red Bull - Cosworth

Sutil / Kovalainen

 

Campos Red Bull - Cosworth

Beumi/Alguersuari

 

Russian Time Red Bull - Cosworth

Petrov/Matushita

 

Andretti Red Bull - Cosworth

Frijins/de Silverstro

 

Dragon Red Bull - Cosworth

Button / Ocon

 

Trulli Red Bull - Cosworth

Liuzzi/Piquet Jr

 

Mahindra Red Bull - Cosworth

Heidfeld/Senna

 

DS Racing Red Bull - Cosworth

N Prost/J Villenueve

 

  

 

So many trained open wheel racers with no place good to race... 

 

Let's see:

 

 

TUR Istanbul Park

SPA Jerez

ITA San Marino

GER Nurburgring GP Course

FRA Magny Cours

IND Buddh International Circuit

USA Indianapolis GP Course

CDN Mt Tremblant

RUS Moscow Raceway

AUT Red Bull Ring

BEL Zolder

NED Assen

GBR Donnington Park

KOR Inje   

JPN Fuji

CHN Zhuhai

THA Chang International Circuit

AUS Surfer's Paradise

 

  

 

Many  grade 1 circuits which were dumped by FOM or never choosen such as Moscow, Turkey, Chang international etc.     

 

Inje Speedium in Korea is just beautiful, for example, and deserves to see some Grand Prix racing!!

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 23 September 2015 - 01:08.

[highdownforce]

2010 FOTA leaked calendar:

Provisional FOTA 2010 schedule:

March 3 - Buenos Aires, Argentina - Last hosted F1 in 1998

March 21 - Mexico City, Mexico - Last hosted F1 in 1992

April 11 - Jerez, Spain - Last hosted F1 in 1997

April 25 - Portimao, Portugal - Never hosted F1

May 2 - Imola, San Marino - Last hosted F1 in 2006

May 23 - Monte Carlo, Monaco - Current F1 host

June 6 - Montreal, Canada - Last hosted F1 in 2008

June 13 - Indianapolis, United States - Last hosted F1 in 2007

July 1 - Silverstone, United Kingdom - Current F1 host

July 25 - Magny-Cours, France - Last hosted F1 in 2008

August 15 - Laustizring, Germany - Never hosted F1

August 29 - Helsinki, Finland - Never hosted F1

September 12 - Monza, Italy - Current F1 host

September 26 - Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates - Current F1 host

October 10 - Marina Bay, Singapore - Current F1 host

October 24 - Suzuka, Japan - Last hosted F1 in 2006

November 8 - Adelaide or Surfers' Paradise, Australia - Last hosted F1 in 1995/Never hosted F1

http://www.eurosport...360/story.shtml

Edited by highdownforce, 23 September 2015 - 02:26.

[Frank Tuesday]

Are they limited to FIA Grade 1 circuits, or can they use FIA Grade 2 as well?

Mugello
Brands Hatch
Imola
Watkins Glen
Brno
Donington

[RA2]

I would say give up on the V10 and allow for 2.2L V6T and 2L I4T so that chassis is the same but engine options are available to teams.

 

V12 was tried by Premier Formula and failed as different engines are required for fans to love same engine same chassis will not bring them in.  

 

11 races in North America 10 in Europe and a couple in Australia Africa Asia and South America would be perfect with 29 races will be perfect.   That should put Indycar out of its misery.

Edited by RA2, 23 September 2015 - 07:39.

[PayasYouRace]

2010 FOTA leaked calendar:

http://www.eurosport...360/story.shtml

 

At least that was realistic.

 

 

 29 races will be perfect.

 

That is not in the slightest.

[wj_gibson]

You can't ask mechanics to go around the world for 29 races every year. The human body and mind simply isn't up to it.

 

You particularly can't ask them to do for the sake of a heavily diluted series that has a smaller audience than the also-diluted F1, because the teams won't have the money to pay the salaries they curretly pay to keep those mecanics and engineers from disappearing off into the burgeoning Aerospace industry (which, in the UK at any rate, has been the fastest growing manufacturing sector for years and barely slowed down even during the financial crisis - and also happens to be the Engineering sector in which F1 design and engineering skills are the most relevant - and one that pays well too).

 

I really do think a maximum of 16 races, ending no later than mid-October, combined with more in-season testing so that the running order wasn't simply frozen from the first race, was a good model for everyone in F1.

Edited by wj_gibson, 23 September 2015 - 08:25.

[taran]

As much as I would love an old fashioned racing series on great tracks, the reality is that only F1 draws in the casual viewers to create a global, relevant racing series.

GP2, WSR, Indycars all provide better racing but receive only a fraction of the attention.

 

The plain fact is that a viable F1 rival needs the big name racing teams to get attention and that is FERRARI followed a long way behind by McLaren, Williams et all. Nothing else seems to work as we have already seen racing series with soccer associated teams, national teams and pretty good F3000 teams all fail to take off.

[sopa]

Were Red Bull to really quit F1, I personally think they would join forces with Formula E rather than even attempt a breakaway. There is no place for another high-profile single seater series I'm afraid.

[SenorSjon]

Revert back to old F1 rules and let people have a go at it again. So yes, free up testing again.

 

Make a 16-18 race calendar so every GP is worth its while. To many races diminishes the importance of each race.

10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring, no fastest lap or pole points.

60 minute qualifying. After 30 minutes the bottom 12 are done. Previous times remain (no cheap Mercedes like banker laps).

1-3 car teams.

Max engine price 10m/year for costumers.

Points reward you with free travel, rest is performance based prize money.

S-M-H compounds at each track, to be decided amount of tires for q+race. No dual compound BS

Refuel if you want to.

One engine for Q+race. Swap it after Q has started and you will be at the back of the grid.

N/A V6-8-10-12 or inline engines.

[noikeee]

I don't think it's ever going to happen because there hasn't been absolutely any indication Red Bull is into this, but I'm not sure it's entirely unfeasible. A1GP and Superleague Formula failed but they didn't have the financial power of Red Bull behind them, they had slower cars than F1, and F1 wasn't as weak/unpopular as it is now (and F1 would become even weaker without Red Bull).

 

For the budget they're putting in the Milton Keynes and Faenza facilities I'm pretty sure they'd be able to at least host some kind of series. Without the rule constraints of F1 (enter ground effects, proper performance tyres etc) they'd be able to design a car that can be as quick as a F1 car and be sold as spec, for budgets that would be a small fraction of F1 budgets to any interested teams. I'm sure the likes of ART and DAMS would find this feasible and a much better business proposition than the insanely large jump to Formula 1 and designing their cars. To attract teams they could start with an Europe-centric calendar and grow from there.

 

It'd still be very harmful for the sport for there to be a split like this, as CART/Indycar shown. The Formula 1 brand is very very very hard to overcome. But with the massive marketing power of Red Bull behind it, with powerful aggressive quick cars that are more exciting than the current F1s, and much easier accessibility to fans, and a couple of big name drivers they'd be able to attract (Ricciardo and Verstappen are a given but they're not huge - I suspect they'd be able to poach Alonso however), they could set up something much more serious and threatening than A1GP and Superformula.

 

As for a completely fantasy first Euro-centric calendar:

 

Italian GP - Mugello

Spanish GP - Jerez

Portuguese GP - Portimão

British GP - Donington

German GP - Lausitzring

Czech GP - Brno

Russian GP - Moscow

Turkish GP - Istanbul

Dutch GP - Zandvoort

Belgian GP - Zolder

Austrian GP - Red Bull Ring

French GP - Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe ;)

[SenorSjon]

F1 is much weaker than it was. It is almost down and the ones running it are not in it for betterment of the sport (or to make it a sport again for that matter). 

 

I would have a mandated survival cell with mounting points for wings, fuel tank, sidepods, floor, etc. No or limited front wing to allow close following and fixed dimensions (car 2.000-2.200, body including wings 1.400), wheels always outside of the body to prevent zillions of winglets. Teams can design nose, sidepods, wings, suspension, engine cover, etc. themselves. Due to the survival cell, no expensive crashtests are needed. Seat + driver = 90kg for example. Smaller drivers will have a heavier seat in proportion to the human body. No starving 1,80+ m drivers anymore. Race distance 300+ km.

[SealTheDiffuser]

Red Bull ring every two weeks starting in April 2016 till Oktober 2016

[V8 Fireworks]

It'd still be very harmful for the sport for there to be a split like this, as CART/Indycar shown. The Formula 1 brand is very very very hard to overcome. But with the massive marketing power of Red Bull behind it, with powerful aggressive quick cars that are more exciting than the current F1s, and much easier accessibility to fans, and a couple of big name drivers they'd be able to attract (Ricciardo and Verstappen are a given but they're not huge - I suspect they'd be able to poach Alonso however), they could set up something much more serious and threatening than A1GP and Superformula.

 

 

I'm sure Button could be interested?

 

Alonso would be a viable candidate, as to Raikkonen after his Ferrari contract expires.

 

 

Red Bull ring every two weeks starting in April 2016 till Oktober 2016

 

 

 

 

As for a completely fantasy first Euro-centric calendar:

 

 

 

IMO markets like Turkey & India & Korea are important, they were dumped by F1 but nevertheless have emerging motoring cultures.

 

Thailand is an obvious choice, as the original home country of the Red Bull drink formula; plus there is already a grade 1 circuit built.  (DM is in partnership with the original formulator of the drink from Thailand)

 

Being an Aussie, I think open wheel racing should return to Surfer's Paradise

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 23 September 2015 - 11:07.

[V8 Fireworks]

 

The plain fact is that a viable F1 rival needs the big name racing teams

 

I don't think teams are that important, teams come and go.  The drivers are the household names not the teams.  

 

Same goes for NASCAR.  Whether Keselowski wins for Penske racing or for Joe Gibbs Racing or for Stewart Haas; and whether he wins driving a Toyota Camry, a Ford Fusion or a Dacia Sandero it really doesn't matter IMO.

[johnmhinds]

While the drivers are the most important from a marketing stand point, they're going to have a few problems if they have no cars to drive 😋

[Nonesuch]

The plain fact is that a viable F1 rival needs the big name racing teams to get attention and that is FERRARI followed a long way behind by McLaren, Williams et all. Nothing else seems to work as we have already seen racing series with soccer associated teams, national teams and pretty good F3000 teams all fail to take off.

 

Exactly. It's almost certain to be a total fiasco. You mentioned the lower formula series, which - when they're not paired with F1 - usually fail to attract any meaningful audience. But even GT series that feature Ferrari, Aston Martin, McLaren and a variation of other impressive names are relegated to some highlights-broadcast on a weekday morning on MotorsTV where the couple of hundred viewers see these cars race around tracks with barely a dozen people on the grandstands.

[Cloxxki]

Revert back to old F1 rules and let people have a go at it again. So yes, free up testing again.

 

Make a 16-18 race calendar so every GP is worth its while. To many races diminishes the importance of each race.

10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring, no fastest lap or pole points.

60 minute qualifying. After 30 minutes the bottom 12 are done. Previous times remain (no cheap Mercedes like banker laps).

1-3 car teams.

Max engine price 10m/year for costumers.

Points reward you with free travel, rest is performance based prize money.

S-M-H compounds at each track, to be decided amount of tires for q+race. No dual compound BS

Refuel if you want to.

One engine for Q+race. Swap it after Q has started and you will be at the back of the grid.

N/A V6-8-10-12 or inline engines.

It would be fun to allow refuelinging, just not in combination with tire changes :-)

Back on the RB GP Series. Red Bull Ring for double points, obviously.
And Zandvoort. And Hockenheim if not with F1 anymore.

 

The V10's would sound  great and deliver 900bph.
The chassis would get a significant amount of downforce from ground effect, with a range of wings and winglets to be used in a modular style. 
Some races could be 2x 45 minutes on courses that are great for overtaking, and perhaps a 3-hour one on another track that requires undercuts, smart pit strategy and SC's.

RB would go about the marketing of the events totally differently of course. More exciting to watch obviously. 
Offering incentives to ensure the top female drivers line up would be great.

I'd like to see more testing, and minor promo events with say 3 teams at a time. Imagine GP cars would show up around the world and not just to do donuts on maisntreet.
RB having such great car setup expertise, they could be available for counseling by teams struggling to extract pace from their setups. RB won't help you dominate the series, but they'll help you from having to be dead last, unless you are just a sucky team, you're on your own after a while.
I'd love to see a mix of talents and veterans. Yeah even Villeneuve if he feels he's still up for it. RB GP is no FE senior convenience vehicle though. Lapping simialrly to F1, but better close racing, more action. Imagine cars that can follow quite closely without it killing downforce or overheating anything, and then do get  a huge toe off of each other.
Cars designed to be more slippery at speed (higher top speeds than F1), controllable around corners. Light to be fast around corners, but build such that contact is not immediately a retirement.
Easy enough to drive for newcomers, but still offering a lot of edge for the best drivers to pull away.

 

[PayasYouRace]

While we're in our fantasy world, why don't we just incorporate all those good things into F1, and then we'd still have the McLarens and Ferraris and Williams and all the drivers we love in the same field?

[superden]

RBR series, no thank you.

[BCM]

Does it matter if the circuits are FIA graded? Why does a series have to be run under the auspices of the FIA?

[maximilian]

Instead of starting a whole new breakaway series:  invest heavily into IndyCar.  Why?

 

- existing framework with the greatest spectacle in racing, which RedBull surely would be at least somewhat interested in winning at some point.  Great drivers (great CHARACTERS, too!  Not just robots), some great tracks already, the danger of oval racing, which fits Red Bull's image, potentially huge North American audience, existing factory support from Chevy and Honda (and more may follow).

- instant "engine parity" and "chassis parity", with Red Bull able to build their own Adrian Newey aero kit, and they can throw as much money as they like at it to beat Penske and Ganassi, plus they can run as many cars as they like to accommodate their driver development program - including in IndyLights.

- great potential for expansion in international markets to rival F1 outside the bullshit FIA framework.  IndyCar in Europe?  Yes please.  Start with Spielberg, Lausitz, Rockingham, Imola?  Bring it back to Motegi and Surfers Paradise.

- Red Bull can bring the marketing/promotion power and organizational clout that IndyCar lacks presently, and would hopefully get the series back on to an actual TV channel

 

- with more European operations turning an eye to IndyCar a la Carlin, more strong racing outfits may follow, turned away by F1, or turned off by F1.  Or simply unwilling to spend THAT much money.  Arden/Horner?  ProDrive?  The potential for IndyCar once again becoming a strong global series to rival F1 seriously is enormous, if they could only get their act together.  Red Bull could play an integral role in getting their act together.  This COULD be HUGELY successful... provided Mateschitz can deal with the Hulman-George clan and THEIR bullshit   And I guess that's a BIG IF.

 

The Red Bull IndyCar Series.

Edited by maximilian, 23 September 2015 - 13:51.

[Fastcake]

Does it matter if the circuits are FIA graded? Why does a series have to be run under the auspices of the FIA?

I believe there will be various insurance/liability/legal reasons. You'll never get approval for running cars at F1 speeds on circuits that aren't certified safe, and the FIA is the international body which is recognised at providing the necessary certification. Your choice of circuits is basically limited by insurance, which won't be granted unless you can somehow convince them that another body can approve the circuit.

 

When you look into it, outside the US most Motorsport is formally run under either the FIA or the national governing body. There's a lot more involved in running a series than just gathering some cars and drivers and racing around somewhere, but since this is a fantasy thread there's no point getting into the realities.

Edited by Fastcake, 23 September 2015 - 18:46.

[RA2]

NASCAR does 34 races in a year, so those guys are not human?

[EvilPhil II]

I think if Redbull and Toro Rosso entered Indycar they would bring with them massive exposure. Win win all round. 

[SealTheDiffuser]

I think if Redbull and Toro Rosso entered Indycar they would bring with them massive exposure. Win win all round. 

 

how would they win with spec cars and engines?

[SenorSjon]

While we're in our fantasy world, why don't we just incorporate all those good things into F1, and then we'd still have the McLarens and Ferraris and Williams and all the drivers we love in the same field?

 

S...W...G...

 

The meaning of these three letters means absolutely nothing is going to change in F1. RB is forcing their hand now.

 

Instead of starting a whole new breakaway series:  invest heavily into IndyCar.  Why?

 

- existing framework with the greatest spectacle in racing, which RedBull surely would be at least somewhat interested in winning at some point.  Great drivers (great CHARACTERS, too!  Not just robots), some great tracks already, the danger of oval racing, which fits Red Bull's image, potentially huge North American audience, existing factory support from Chevy and Honda (and more may follow).

- instant "engine parity" and "chassis parity", with Red Bull able to build their own Adrian Newey aero kit, and they can throw as much money as they like at it to beat Penske and Ganassi, plus they can run as many cars as they like to accommodate their driver development program - including in IndyLights.

- great potential for expansion in international markets to rival F1 outside the bullshit FIA framework.  IndyCar in Europe?  Yes please.  Start with Spielberg, Lausitz, Rockingham, Imola?  Bring it back to Motegi and Surfers Paradise.

- Red Bull can bring the marketing/promotion power and organizational clout that IndyCar lacks presently, and would hopefully get the series back on to an actual TV channel

 

- with more European operations turning an eye to IndyCar a la Carlin, more strong racing outfits may follow, turned away by F1, or turned off by F1.  Or simply unwilling to spend THAT much money.  Arden/Horner?  ProDrive?  The potential for IndyCar once again becoming a strong global series to rival F1 seriously is enormous, if they could only get their act together.  Red Bull could play an integral role in getting their act together.  This COULD be HUGELY successful... provided Mateschitz can deal with the Hulman-George clan and THEIR bullshit   And I guess that's a BIG IF.

 

The Red Bull IndyCar Series.

 

CART went to Europe. They even raced on Assen with zero overtakes (it is a motorbike track after all). In the end, I don't know if IndyCar is global enough. They sure need to get rid of the burgerwrapSC's and have proper bodywork again.  

[RealRacing]

It's clear that the current state of F1, with one team dominating, RB on the verge of leaving, Honda going nowhere and Lotus (now practically Renault) and others on the brink of bankruptcy is in a perfectly vulnerable position to be attacked by some smart business people in alliance with a few of the big manufacturers not currently in F1.

 

With a set of new, clear, intelligent rules, a limit on the huge barriers of entry to current F1 and the disenchantment of a large portion of the F1 audience, this could be set up successfully in a relative short time.

 

RB ready and willing to enter two teams at once could persuade VW to partner as engine supplier.  McLaren Honda could keep their partnership, say goodbye to F1 and have a chance to save face and Renault could be persuaded as well.  Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, with historical success in Sportscars could also be interested. Bring in some Chinese or Indian manufacturer for big population market interest and one of the American big three for more global appeal and you have a more than healthy series. Heck, even without Honda and Renault but with the right rules this could have a future. So let's not call it REd Bull breakaway series, just Breakaway Series. Ideas for names anyone?

Edited by RealRacing, 23 September 2015 - 15:41.

[Atreiu]

As long as it includes

- Surfers Paradise;

- Zandvoort;

- Norisring;

- Elkhart Lake.

[maximilian]

how would they win with spec cars and engines?

 

Same way Penske keeps winning... bigger budget. Plus, they can build their own aero kit.

[BlinkyMcSquinty]

I can't see it happening because no one within the Formula One community will go play in their sandbox. Despite the constant complaints about the financial problems, most teams recognize that although they spend a lot of money, they also make a heck of a lot more money because of the prestige from Formula One.

 

And Bernie will just state that anyone participating in any series like that is out of Formula One. It's a one-way ticket. He will not tolerate this kind of competition.

[PayasYouRace]

S...W...G...

 

The meaning of these three letters means absolutely nothing is going to change in F1. RB is forcing their hand now.

 

 

CART went to Europe. They even raced on Assen with zero overtakes (it is a motorbike track after all). In the end, I don't know if IndyCar is global enough. They sure need to get rid of the burgerwrapSC's and have proper bodywork again.

 

Is this a thread for dreams or for realism?

 

It looks much more like the former.

[TheRacingElf]

Red Bull has already had some involvement in WSR 3.5, doing demo runs during the race weekends and provided a test day for the championship winner. IF they pull out of F1 and have the intend to start their own series I think they could have a good base in the form of WSR and build from there.

[D.M.N.]

As long as Red Bull don't touch Formula E with a bargepole, I doubt I'll really care.

[ExFlagMan]

 

Does it matter if the circuits are FIA graded? Why does a series have to be run under the auspices of the FIA?

 

Who would organise such a series if it was not sanctioned by the FIA, as to do so would automatically disqualify them from organising any other FIA sanctioned motorsport.

Same applies to drivers, teams and circuits.

 

Ever wondered why all such proposed breakaway series never actually took place?

Edited by ExFlagMan, 23 September 2015 - 17:39.

[BRG]

A1GP, Auto GP, Nissan and Renault World Series - they all happened and were FIA sanctioned.  And given how successful they have been, the FI establishment have little to worry about.  Red Bull have been 'promoting' the WRC for two years; you would hardly know it existed.  So I have little expectation that a RB race series would make any impact.

[Volcano70]

Hmmmm...

I'd like as races

Brands Hatch

Mangy-Cours

Imola

Slovakiaring

Brno

Road America

Mosport

Jerez OR Ricardo Tormo

Istanbul

Autopolis

Fuji

Zhuahi

Nurburgring GP

Adelaide 

Buenos Aires

Chang?

[maximilian]

S...W...G...

 

The meaning of these three letters means absolutely nothing is going to change in F1. RB is forcing their hand now.

 

 

CART went to Europe. They even raced on Assen with zero overtakes (it is a motorbike track after all). In the end, I don't know if IndyCar is global enough. They sure need to get rid of the burgerwrapSC's and have proper bodywork again.

 

Hmm, IndyCar had entrants from 15 countries in 2015... Formula 1 had 14 countries represented.  With a possible influx of Red Bull and a couple other overseas teams like Juncos and Carlin, that number may increase, and the international appeal would undoubtedly be on the rise, especially if they are also racing in the UK and Italy, all of which are represented by IndyCar drivers already.

 

 

BRING IT!!

Edited by maximilian, 23 September 2015 - 23:02.

[chipmcdonald]

No reason it has to be built on a virtual-spec engine.  V10,8 whatever, 3l NA. 

 

Although, it would be a great chance to do something interesting, like production road car engine blocks and actual pump fuel.  Real road car relevance, real manufacturer bragging rights.  Spec front wing to minimize aero spending, spec mass-produced FIA approved safety tub (no reason every team should have to design this every season/car iteration).  Whatever else fits into a box.

 

If someone wants to use electric, fine - but no regulations.   210 mph/5G safety limit, let people run 2,000 hp if that's what they want, pull 5g's accelerating. 

 

If Mateschitz were to do such a thing I would think/hope he'd be looking at the simple, big picture.  It would seem this has been the case with his other series.   As long as it's loud and fast, and looks good in the process...

[Jimisgod]

Assuming F1 will chuck a cry and ban RBR from all current F1 tracks...

 

AUS - Adelaide Street Circuit

THA - Buriram

CHN - Zhuhai

KOR - Yeongam

IND - New Delhi

AUT - A1 Ring

GBR - Brands Hatch

NED - Zandvoort

POR - Algarve

ESP - Jerez

FRA - Magny Cours

ITA - Imola

TUR - Istanbul

SVK - Slovakiaring

GER - Hockenheim

USA - Road America

CAN - Mosport

ARG - Potrero de los Funes

Edited by Jimisgod, 24 September 2015 - 01:12.

[SenorSjon]

You can all forget Zandvoort. They are hamstrung with sound level days as it is. Any more sound than a butterfly and you have protestors trying to close the track.

[V8 Fireworks]

I think if Redbull and Toro Rosso entered Indycar they would bring with them massive exposure. Win win all round. 

 

 

 

 

   

[PayasYouRace]

I'd completely forgotten that Red Bull Cheever Racing was even a thing. I remember when I first started watching IRL and I thought, "Hey, those look like Saubers." That sponsorship lasted a few years too.

[stewie]

Where did this render come from, it hasn't been an actual livery on a DW12, has it?

[Volcano70]

Where did this render come from, it hasn't been an actual livery on a DW12, has it?

It's fake.

Also Jimisgod Austria is on the current F1 Calendar