Do not know if this has been a previous topic, if so I will have it deleted but during a conversation with a friend the topic came up after discussions on our past Champions in different Classes.
So the question is who is the AUSTRALIA driver with the most Podium finishes between 1950 to 1970, Class or Catogries are to be combined with the result being the Driver with the most Podiums.
Results are for events only held in Australian.
Who has the most podium finishes of Australian Drivers, 1950 to 1970 in Australia.
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DanTra2858
, Sep 27 2015 09:47
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Catalina Park
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Posted 27 September 2015 - 11:06
I can't remember any track having a podium back then. (apart from the starter)
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Ray Bell
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Posted 27 September 2015 - 23:09
"Major placings" might be a better description?
First place through to third?
It would have to be someone who raced frequently for the whole (or most of) the period, I'd think. Names I'd put forward would include:
Leo Geoghegan
Doug Whiteford
Brian Sampson
Brian Foley
Norm Beechey
Peter Manton
Kevin Bartlett
Finding the definitive answer would be very, very difficult. I do think KB might take the prize.
First place through to third?
It would have to be someone who raced frequently for the whole (or most of) the period, I'd think. Names I'd put forward would include:
Leo Geoghegan
Doug Whiteford
Brian Sampson
Brian Foley
Norm Beechey
Peter Manton
Kevin Bartlett
Finding the definitive answer would be very, very difficult. I do think KB might take the prize.
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Posted 28 September 2015 - 03:39
What about Big Pete and all those Mustang wins,Cortina and Jaguar Mark 1 wins plus the Lotus 23.
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Ray Bell
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Posted 28 September 2015 - 05:31
No, I don't think Pete would be in the running...
His racing began in what, 1958 or something? True, he ran in two cars at a meeting in the early sixties, but after that he was usually only in one car. He might have more wins, but when it comes to seconds and thirds not so many. Many outright wins, whereas the question is about classes as well.
KB might have run two or three cars at a meeting over a number of years. Peter Owen's TVR, Brian Page's Lotus 7, the Elfin Imp, in the Mildren years he'd run in an open-wheeler and a sedan at a lot of meetings, and the TZ too, he got good placings at Bathurst in the 500, winning his class three times.
His racing began in what, 1958 or something? True, he ran in two cars at a meeting in the early sixties, but after that he was usually only in one car. He might have more wins, but when it comes to seconds and thirds not so many. Many outright wins, whereas the question is about classes as well.
KB might have run two or three cars at a meeting over a number of years. Peter Owen's TVR, Brian Page's Lotus 7, the Elfin Imp, in the Mildren years he'd run in an open-wheeler and a sedan at a lot of meetings, and the TZ too, he got good placings at Bathurst in the 500, winning his class three times.
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Posted 28 September 2015 - 09:08
Would 200 podiums in the 20 year period be a benchmark for contenders to this title? I only say this to eliminate a lot of drivers who wouldn't come close, but surely Pete achieved something like that number.
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Posted 28 September 2015 - 21:42
I am quite surprised that Bob Holden has not been mentioned & there seems to be no reference to Sprints or Hill Climbs, come on guys this could highlite who was overall Australia's best Compeditor.
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Ray Bell
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Posted 28 September 2015 - 23:36
I know that Bob ran for a long time, but you've got a 1970 cutoff (or is it 1970s?) and so many raced on beyond that point...
Bringing Hillclimbs in might lead to a complication, Sprints even more so. Do mere Club events count?
Colin Bond might come into calculations, I guess, especially if you branch out into rallies.
I think we need to set the parameters more firmly... just what events are we counting?
Bringing Hillclimbs in might lead to a complication, Sprints even more so. Do mere Club events count?
Colin Bond might come into calculations, I guess, especially if you branch out into rallies.
I think we need to set the parameters more firmly... just what events are we counting?
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Posted 29 September 2015 - 03:55
I thought it read clearly between 1950 and 1970, twenty nostalgic years. Bringing in events for single car against the clock and club events will not only complicate the issue but also weaken the achievements of those that are among the top. Don't get me wrong, for I think a top rally driver is an extremely talented person and I envy them, but it is a different form of the sport, and a club champion of a small car club, and there were many small car clubs in this period, may not fare so well against the touring car champion of the same year.
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Ray Bell
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Posted 29 September 2015 - 04:59
I agree entirely...
I wouldn't mind (and I assume that Daniel intended this...) if it extended through the seventies. That would mean it would cover the greater part of a lot of drivers' careers.
I wouldn't mind (and I assume that Daniel intended this...) if it extended through the seventies. That would mean it would cover the greater part of a lot of drivers' careers.
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Posted 29 September 2015 - 07:30
What is so hard about suggesting 1950 to 1970 surly this would be easier to find results than taking it to 1979, the question is 1950 to & including 1970 not 1970's
What if I relent to allow all Circuit racing, Championship Sprints & Hill Climb Rounds not just Australian Championship then at a later date include Trials but not Including any form of Speedway.
Or would it be easier to do it in 10 year blocks?
Ian Geoghegan was Hill Climbing a Standart 10 during the 1950/ early 60.
What if I relent to allow all Circuit racing, Championship Sprints & Hill Climb Rounds not just Australian Championship then at a later date include Trials but not Including any form of Speedway.
Or would it be easier to do it in 10 year blocks?
Ian Geoghegan was Hill Climbing a Standart 10 during the 1950/ early 60.
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Ray Bell
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Posted 29 September 2015 - 08:32
To my way of thinking, Daniel, it would be easier to find the '70s than the '50s...
And finding 'Championship' sprints sounds like quite a task, while hillclimbs will be hit and miss for the fifties as well.
Make no mistake, to get a definitive answer on this would be a very big job. Huge. Make a list of the possible drivers and then dig through the magazines to get the results. Even then, even with RCN, which was the most consistent when it came to coverage of these events, the results didn't get published for most of the races until the late sixties.
I will stand by my first estimations, by the way. KB most likely, Pete might come in the top five.
And finding 'Championship' sprints sounds like quite a task, while hillclimbs will be hit and miss for the fifties as well.
Make no mistake, to get a definitive answer on this would be a very big job. Huge. Make a list of the possible drivers and then dig through the magazines to get the results. Even then, even with RCN, which was the most consistent when it came to coverage of these events, the results didn't get published for most of the races until the late sixties.
I will stand by my first estimations, by the way. KB most likely, Pete might come in the top five.
