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[jonpollak]

Jp

[jonpollak]

Hooray for the mentoring program !

@MikhalaSheets11

Back with her championship winning team

Jp

[jonpollak]

fan video !
 

 


Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 20 December 2016 - 00:02.

[Prost1997T]

The lineup at Daytona is more impressive by the day. Shane van Gisbergen (V8 Supercars champion) confirmed with the Weathertech Racing team in GTD: http://www.motorspor...olex-24-859628/

Edited by Prost1997T, 15 December 2016 - 23:01.

[paulb]

The lineup at Daytona is more impressive by the day. Shane van Gisbergen (V8 Supercars champion) confirmed with the Weathertech Racing in GTD: http://www.motorspor...olex-24-859628/

 

van Gisbergen is a weapon, certainly one of the fastest GT drivers in the world. I just hope he doesn't drive the Merc like his V8 Supercar.

[Prost1997T]

He'll be fine, this will be his fourth start. His previous attempts were with Alex Job Racing in a Porsche, with a best in-class finish of 2nd in 2015.

[SonnyViceR]

So officials said all P2s are undergoing performance balancing at IMSA wind tunnel + RPM dyno and that once Roar is completed early Jan they "possibly" (=obviously) get re-bopped again. But they also said OEMs can modify their aero body panels during the year. Per DP philosophy I guesd

[jonpollak]

 

New Documentary on DR 3 out today on Christina's season.
Seems she's a real star back home.
I've asked for a non GeoBlocked version to be put up on HueTuube
 
Here's a teaser
 
http://www.dr.dk/spo...er-i-motorsport
 
Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 20 December 2016 - 00:08.

[SonnyViceR]

So all "DPis" have now been shown to the public. "Nissan" aesthetic body panels Onroak but together for their Onroak are just about as non existent as in the "Cadillac" and "Mazda", don't ya think?

I have to ask,if none of these OEMs even want to bother with these bits, why did anyone want them mandated in the first place? I had assumed GM was the driving force just as in DP but even their 20,000 dollar annual support budget seems to have dropped to around 500. All the OEMs could've just slapped their engines to stock P2s and rebranded them with stickers as whatever they wanted... Which has already happened before. Even last year they referred the cars as per engine so you had "Mazda Prototype" (Lola) and "Nissan Prototype" (Oreca) and "Honda Prototype" (Onroak) and of course the rebrand DPs...

Even stranger yet, IMSA states that another reason for these panels is to create performance differences... Which is funny considering they want (political manipulation aside) identical clone BoP curves for everyone and no actual development is allowed.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 22 December 2016 - 13:05.

[Dr. Austin]

The cars are fast and cool. That's enough for me.

Edited by Dr. Austin, 22 December 2016 - 14:08.

[jonpollak]

Jeez ..don't come in here offering some simple canon like that !!

All missives must be infused with pedantic hate and derision and nitpicking bitterness.

 

Fast and Cool....?

I mean really..

 

Jp

[Myrvold]

 

Ye, this and LMP2/GTAm...

[SonnyViceR]

"Hi guys, I'm calling from work so don't have lots of time to speak, but I hear someone is allowed to have potentially faster driver pairing and better car and team than me? This isn't fair you guys, not real sport if such thing occurs. I love this hobby, but surely this isn't how things used to be back in the day. Factory tesms and drivers never, ever directly competed against privateers and gentleman driverd. My grandad too raced in amateur-catered proam cost cap performance balanced sub classes 60 years ago if I remember his stories correctly, but he had it fair."

Edited by SonnyViceR, 22 December 2016 - 15:47.

[paulb]

Sonny, you could at least be happy for the therapy this topic provides you.

[SonnyViceR]

Sonny, you could at least be happy for the therapy this topic provides you.

I am

And at least Matt isn't here. I'd rather go to dentist for Christmas morning than have discussion with him ever again.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 22 December 2016 - 17:31.

[highdownforce]

All the OEMs could've just slapped their engines to stock P2s and rebranded them with stickers as whatever they wanted... Which has already happened before. Even last year they referred the cars as per engine so you had "Mazda Prototype" (Lola) and "Nissan Prototype" (Oreca) and "Honda Prototype" (Onroak) and of course the rebrand DPs...

 

But but... this way anyone with a GT3 engine could just slap it to the back of a LMP2 and hit the track without IMSA "special design approval" (Nissan-not-different-enough-fiasco).

[Prost1997T]

The ACO is going to BoP them at Le Mans as well

[SonnyViceR]

The ACO is going to BoP them at Le Mans as well

 

No they won't.

 

Only GTEs get bopped at Le Mans.

 

IMSA sanctioned

P "DPi" - Semi-spec BoP racing

P "P2" - Semi-spec BoP racing

LMPC - Spec racing

GTLM - BoP & secret waiver racing

GTD - BoP racing

CTSCC GS - BoP racing

CTSCC ST - BoP racing

Lites LMP3 - Semi-spec free racing

Lites "Mazda" - Spec racing

Porsches, Lambos etc support series - Spec racing

 

ACO sanctioned

LMP1 Hybrid - Free racing*

LMP1 Non Hybrid - Free racing**

LMP2 - Semi-spec free racing***

LMP3 - Semi-spec free racing

CN - Semi-spec free racing

LMGTE-PRO - BoP & secret waiver racing

LMGTE-AM - BoP & secret waiver racing

GT3 - BoP racing

GT-CUP - BoP racing

 

* EoT once a year but it's based on actual mathematics and not round by round lottery politics

** nothing except in relation to hybrid cars (nothing inter class)

*** theoretically BoP can be applied per regulations but it never actually happens, hasn't for five years

 

LMP3 is the only non-100%-spec category to have no BoP in IMSA whereas ACO has quite a few.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 30 December 2016 - 20:57.

[SonnyViceR]

BoP & Aero Version 1 for Roar test (to be adjusted)

http://competitors.i...tlm_gtd_bop.pdf

 

Nice to see my thoughts mirrored

http://tentenths.com...&postcount=4878

Edited by SonnyViceR, 31 December 2016 - 13:37.

[jonpollak]

You DO realize that's your Chunder bloke on that forum.

 

Jp

[SonnyViceR]

Who, TzeiTzei? Not really.

 

Besides, Chunder has account there too ;)

[Prost1997T]

Sonny, I'm talking about the DPis going to Le Mans. The ACO wanted to BoP them to be in line with standardized LMP2s: http://sportscar365....pi-regulations/

[SonnyViceR]

But they're not going to Le Mans, so it doesn't really matter what they may or may not have planned And in any case it was about the Zytek vs OEM engine balancing, not body panels.

 

I am however concerned about Beaumesnil's talks of possibly integrating it into LMP1 nonhybrid at some point, that's gonna be a mess of the century. I don't want those things at LM. However now with SMP and (seemingly) Ginetta coming over and actually backing the class, I doubt they want to introduce outsiders. Suppose Beaumesnil wasn't so wrong about potentially ~8 privateer grid by 2018 after all (ByKolles/SMP/Ginetta/probably-Rebellion).

[TennisUK]

Remains to be seen if SMP actually do make it to LMP1 with a dollars. It doesn't look to be a huge amount of work to adapt one of these new tangled LMP2 chassis for LMP-1, so hopefully private LMP1 will pickup without having to resort to DPI which would be the end of the class.

[SonnyViceR]

I doubt Dallara will just transform the LMP2 chassis into LMP1 but rather start from clean sheet, as I don't believe it to be as simple as Oreca morphing 04 into 05 or even 05 into 07.

 

It's a bit curious that they chose Dallara in the first given that they had own chassis in LMP2. You would have thought that to be the main driving force in choosing LMP1 too after the spec rules were enforced. However I'm not complaining, I'm extremely glad they chose LMP1 in the first place and not just took the lazy route in LMP2 again. At this rate, the most shocking thing about 2018 will be if Rebellion doesn't return.