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[Prost1997T]

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/121188

 

 

F1 marshals currently use brooms for sweeping away debris and pieces of carbon fibre following incidents.

 

You'd think with the amount of money sloshing around they should already be using the equivalent of Air Titans or sweepers. Especially given how much debris is created by broken aero parts and Pirelli rubber.

[johnmhinds]

Just buy a bunch of these and put them on the marshal posts?

 

Edited by johnmhinds, 07 October 2015 - 14:21.

[Ellios]

[DampMongoose]

Give Red Bull the job, they won't be busy next year at the rate they're going...

[ANF]

Each and every marshal knows about the brooms and they fully accept them, so there is no need for any knee-jerk reactions that go against the DNA of this already too sanitized sport. The marshals can choose not to marshal. Besides, a sweeper would cause the carbon fiber to be launched in the air and fly into the crowds.

[Kalmake]

Blowers are good fun until a carbon fiber shard takes someone's eye out.

[FredF1]

If only they could harness the Formula One Strategy Group to clear the track. At long last there'll be a use for such all that wasted hot air. 

[ExFlagMan]

Not a lot of point blowing the debris off the track onto the kerbs/run-off area when as soon as the drivers resort to 'creative kerbing' it just gets dragged back onto the track.

[RottenAli]

Sorry, but I still hanker for a return to aero parts being made of Aluminium again. Then this discussion about shards of carbon fibre, and how to 'clean' the track would be negated. Anyway, as it stands it would certainly be better to vacuum up these shards than blow them about the course with a jet engine as in indycar.

[johnmhinds]

Not a lot of point blowing the debris off the track onto the kerbs/run-off area when as soon as the drivers resort to 'creative kerbing' it just gets dragged back onto the track.

 

 

That's why I suggested they use some handheld leaf vacuums.

 

Would be a lot cheaper and quicker than buying jet engine powered blowers for each track.

Edited by johnmhinds, 07 October 2015 - 16:18.

[Boing 2]

That's why I suggested they use some handheld leaf vacuums.

 

Would be a lot cheaper and quicker than buying jet engine powered blowers far each track.

 

Yeah they're about £50 a pop for an electric one, no idea why they still use brooms.

[Disgrace]

I vote jet dryer.

 

[AlexisBT]

I have an easy solution... Make those front wings with an another material that doesn't shatter.

[Prost1997T]

Each and every marshal knows about the brooms and they fully accept them, so there is no need for any knee-jerk reactions that go against the DNA of this already too sanitized sport. The marshals can choose not to marshal. Besides, a sweeper would cause the carbon fiber to be launched in the air and fly into the crowds.

 

Then we get farces like Hungary where it took 7 laps of full course caution largely to clear debris, then go racing again.

[chunder27]

Err

 

Does no one see what is going on here.

 

Going off line and onto the marbles is all part of a racing drivers skills to try and overcome that and stil make moves.

 

Doing this will not clean up the racing line as that is already clean, and in reality it will not clean u the off line areas, just remove rubber, it will not gain any more grip really.

 

I understand the safety aspect of removing debris, but it will offer little to better raacing which I think is the REAL reason for this.

 

The "sport" is sanitised enough, just leave it alone for goodness sake.

[LeClerc]

oh great, I see a debris yellow just around the corner.

[rabbitleader]

Get a Dyson....sorted.

[SophieB]

Build tyres in the first place that are slightly more durable than kids' birthday party balloons.

[Kalmake]

Re: topic, I don't think FIA is investing into anything but useless research into the matter. It's up to the organizer to pay for the equipment and fly it round the world. Which is why it's not already in use.

 

It's really not rocket science. Just put a powerful vacuum in a truck. Even a stock leaf vacuum truck would be a huge improvement over dudes with brooms.

[superden]

They already trialled something similar in the BTCC didn't they, at Snetterton earlier this year.

[Chubby_Deuce]

Each and every marshal knows about the brooms and they fully accept them, so there is no need for any knee-jerk reactions that go against the DNA of this already too sanitized sport. The marshals can choose not to marshal. Besides, a sweeper would cause the carbon fiber to be launched in the air and fly into the crowds.

 

You beautiful bastard.

[Pete_f1]

Don't blow it, suck it!

[ray b]

Build tyres in the first place that are slightly more durable than kids' birthday party balloons.

1 lap at 3/4 speed minimum run flats are needed both for safety and to allow  a chance in the later part of the race

 

also agree carbon shards should not happen in a wing bumping a tyre

alloy front wings would cure that problem with ONE airfoil shape not 50 fence end bits

[ExFlagMan]

 

They already trialled something similar in the BTCC didn't they, at Snetterton earlier this year.          

 

That was a, probably totally OTT, attempt at a solution to mop up oil spills - might work for a Dennis Leech 'Torrey Canyon' type spill - but sod all use for the usual small spill. 

By the time the truck had got round to the scene of the spill a reasonable organised group of marshals with buckets and brooms would probably have dressed the oil and got back to the between races pork pie eating contest

Edited by ExFlagMan, 07 October 2015 - 20:53.

[superden]

Mmmm. Pork pie.

[Chubby_Deuce]

1 lap at 3/4 speed minimum run flats are needed both for safety and to allow a chance in the later part of the race

also agree carbon shards should not happen in a wing bumping a tyre
alloy front wings would cure that problem with ONE airfoil shape not 50 fence end bits

If we have to choose between some flat tires or metal wings becoming projectiles I think I'll go with flat tires.

[Marklar]

....and taking away Hemberys favourite excuse? Nah....

[StartLine]

1 lap at 3/4 speed minimum run flats are needed both for safety and to allow  a chance in the later part of the race

 

also agree carbon shards should not happen in a wing bumping a tyre

alloy front wings would cure that problem with ONE airfoil shape not 50 fence end bits

 

Run flat tyres is an interesting idea. However alloy wings would create more problems than they solve. The fact the wing disintegrates helps the cars survive crashes. 

[Rinehart]

"F1 in not having a ridiculously expensive and unnecessarily complex solution to an easy problem shocker" 

 

Brooms are fine. Make the handles out of carbon fibre if they must, but from what I've seen in other series, sending a load of trucks out to sweep and blow debris away definitely does NOT save any time - and that to my mind rules it out as a non starter. 

[Tapz63]

"The FIA acknowledged a willingness to consider any safety recommendations, with the idea of some form of standardised circuit cleaning being reviewed.

"That could be a certain type of equipment used around the world to allow a standardised cleaning procedure"."

Although they speak about it for cleaning debris after incidents, I think the "standardised cleaning procedure" is more about cleaning the track before the track running begins.

Edited by Tapz63, 08 October 2015 - 10:07.

[043Max]

Hey, they use cost reducing stuff for the sport.

 

don't they? it's all perfectly cost effective.

[learningtobelost]

Build tyres in the first place that are slightly more durable than kids' birthday party balloons.

 

Ah, but that would solve multiple problems in one go... I don't see it happening. 

[RedBaron]

Brooms are fine. Make the handles out of carbon fibre if they must.

 

I like that you're trying to modernize the trusty broom, but I think your development route leaves a little to be desired.

 

China.