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#1 ExFlagMan

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 17:27

Interesting feature article by Ben Anderson in this weeks Autosport, showing how the 2015 season would be panning out if the Mercedes team had been given a 1 year ban for being anti-competitive - for example in response to fans claims that 2014 was too boring and falling TV figures etc..

 

Based on just removing the Mercedes cars from the results and shuffling up the other drivers - result is that Vettel would have already been crowned champion and

 

Ferrari is just a handful of races away from clinching the constructors' title too, and with it a sure-fire ban for 2016 under the new 'dominance laws'.

 

his conclusion is

Instead of moans about them (Mercedes), we'd be hearing complaints about Ferrari's supremacy, and how Vettel is again dominating the category in the fashion that earned it criticism during his Red Bull days.

F1 would still be 'three-tier', except those tiers would be Ferrari, then Williams, then the rest. The cries for Mercedes' swift return would surely grow more vociferous by the race.

Be careful what you wish for...

 

 

Thinkng about it and taking it further, I would suggest that possibly -

 

Mercedes, having had a year out, might decide not to return, but will continue as a PU supplier to their contracted teams, but without doing any further development to the 2015 version - however they will also have to charge a 'more realistic price' for future PSU supplies as they cannot share costs with their own team.

 

Ferrari, faced with the prospect of being 'on the bench' for 2016, decide to freeze PU development, as there seems no need to spend money on developments as they are pretty certain they could probably dominate for the rest of the years of the current formula, unless of course Renault and/or Honda start to make significant gains. 

 

I wonder how other posters feel F1 might subsequently pan out, even if we assume Mercedes and/or Ferrari could be persuaded to supply RB/TR with 2015 units - after all RB could hardly walk away given that they would be getting the same spec units.

 

 



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#2 Atreiu

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 17:41

Now I'm wondering.

 

Maybe Mercedes could still collect wins and titles for the fraction of the price if they supplied Red Bull and shut down the team. Just make a watertight contract in which Red Bull can't flog them at all.

 

Shut down the team, use the money to buy the rights for the German and European GPs, keep developping the engine and supply it to Red Bull, Williams, Firce India and Manor.

 

FIA F1 Mercedes German GP at Hockenheim

FIA F1 Mercedes European GP at Nurbrungring.



#3 MikeV1987

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 17:54

Just goes to show how much the entire field is spread out really.



#4 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 11:48

Maybe Mercedes could still collect wins and titles for the fraction of the price if they supplied Red Bull and shut down the team.


Renault tried that and...

#5 ThisIsMischaW

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 11:52

I don't understand the premise of the article. Mercedes domination is boring to watch. I don't think anyone has suggested removing them.


Edited by ThisIsMischaW, 09 October 2015 - 11:52.


#6 Massa_f1

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:01

All this shows is just how spread out the field is. Which is one of the main things out of many that is wrong with F1 at the moment.

 

I can't really see the point in the article myself. Mercedes domination is boring to watch, and Ferrari domination would be boring to watch.



#7 Kristian

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:07

Yep, in a normal race the podium is generally HAM-ROS-VET. Without the first two, it would have been 2013 all over again. 



#8 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:07

I think the point is take out Mercedes Domination and in some areas it actually gets worse.



#9 maximilian

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:20

Yep, the lack of broad close competition in F1, and the stratification of teams is one of the major drags on the series.



#10 realracer200

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:29

Actually without Mercedes it would be much worse because Rosberg is closer to Hamilton than Raikkonen is to Vettel.



#11 Ruusperi

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:50

All this shows is just how spread out the field is. Which is one of the main things out of many that is wrong with F1 at the moment.

Indeed, and with the lack of retirements there's very little variation in the results. For example, HAM, ROS and VET have taken top-3 already 7 times this year. For comparison, in 2012 there was only 3 race with the same three guys (Webber, Alonso, Vettel) on podium.

I don't even dare to imagine how predictable the results would become with 3-car teams.


Edited by Ruusperi, 09 October 2015 - 12:51.


#12 Atreiu

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 14:54

Renault tried that and...

 

It would have worked in V8 days if they hadn't stamped Infinti all around. Maybe.

 

And Mercedes has a terrific engine, as long as the Red Bull is up to it. I don't think they'd badge it as Maybach or something.

 

 

Anyhow, I've said it before, just tweak the token system and make it result oriented. The more races you win one season, the less tokens you have the next. Eventually they will all reach parity without arbitrarily freezing development and then realizing the freeze didn't work.



#13 CommonSense

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 18:27

It would have worked in V8 days if they hadn't stamped Infinti all around. Maybe.

 

And Mercedes has a terrific engine, as long as the Red Bull is up to it. I don't think they'd badge it as Maybach or something.

 

 

Anyhow, I've said it before, just tweak the token system and make it result oriented. The more races you win one season, the less tokens you have the next. Eventually they will all reach parity without arbitrarily freezing development and then realizing the freeze didn't work.

 

I usually strongly disagree with hindering a team because of their success but given the current situation, I really like this idea.


Edited by CommonSense, 09 October 2015 - 18:27.


#14 KingTiger

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 19:08

Now I'm wondering.

 

Maybe Mercedes could still collect wins and titles for the fraction of the price if they supplied Red Bull and shut down the team. Just make a watertight contract in which Red Bull can't flog them at all.

 

Shut down the team, use the money to buy the rights for the German and European GPs, keep developping the engine and supply it to Red Bull, Williams, Firce India and Manor.

 

FIA F1 Mercedes German GP at Hockenheim

FIA F1 Mercedes European GP at Nurbrungring.

 

Engine suppliers barely get any recognition, while having huge costs, and no input in managerial decisions. Why do you think BMW, Mercedes, and Renault all switched from suppliers to team owners?