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[Clatter]

Bernie signs the cheque not the teams, drivers or fans.

I don't get eveyones beef with Pirelli, they are making tyres to the spec they are asked to. This is not the best tyre Pirelli could make given free reign.

I agree. Pirelli are the scapegoat. They were the only manufacture willing to meet the brief, which is why they have the contract.

[SenorSjon]

Bernie signs the cheque not the teams, drivers or fans.

 

I don't get eveyones beef with Pirelli, they are making tyres to the spec they are asked to. This is not the best tyre Pirelli could make given free reign.

 

With free reign and competition, Pirelli would be nowhere. I'm sorry, but I still vividly remember Hempberey jumping up and down in 2012 with the 7 winners in 7 races crap. 

[7MGTEsup]

With free reign and competition, Pirelli would be nowhere. I'm sorry, but I still vividly remember Hempberey jumping up and down in 2012 with the 7 winners in 7 races crap. 

 

How do you know they would be nowhere? Don't you think his reaction was due to them delivering exactly what Bernie had asked for?

[iakhtar]

Bernie signs the cheque not the teams, drivers or fans.

 

I don't get eveyones beef with Pirelli, they are making tyres to the spec they are asked to. This is not the best tyre Pirelli could make given free reign.

 

This has been discussed and explained many times, yet still gets used as an excuse. Let me try again, Pirelli were asked to provide high degradation tyres, not tyres you have to temperature manage the entire race. Nobody asked for that.

 

Basically give us a shorter life Bridgestone not a chemical cliff, temperature window management cheese factory. I mean who came up with that spec? Pirelli of course.

[SenorSjon]

How do you know they would be nowhere? Don't you think his reaction was due to them delivering exactly what Bernie had asked for?

 

If history is anything to go by, they never were top dog in an open competition. They don't have the real life simulators Michelin and Bridgestone have for developing tires. That is why it is laughable they are getting spooked by faster cars for 2017, a level we attained in 2004 with 12 years less simulation technology. As a reflex, they are nearing road tire pressures.

[7MGTEsup]

This has been discussed and explained many times, yet still gets used as an excuse. Let me try again, Pirelli were asked to provide high degradation tyres, not tyres you have to temperature manage the entire race. Nobody asked for that.

 

Basically give us a shorter life Bridgestone not a chemical cliff, temperature window management cheese factory. I mean who came up with that spec? Pirelli of course.

 

I'm not tyre engineer but surley the nature of making tyres degrade faster means they will run hotter as more material is being worked and discarded? Surely every tyre has an operational temperature window? If it is so easy why did michelin want to make sweeping changes if they were going to tender?

[pdac]

They wouldn't have got the same terms, The FIA would've loosened up things to make sure they have tires for 2017.

 

Then they may open themselves to legal action by Pirelli - they are the ones who have the contract and so they should be allowed to work within any relaxation first.

[iakhtar]

I'm not tyre engineer but surley the nature of making tyres degrade faster means they will run hotter as more material is being worked and discarded? Surely every tyre has an operational temperature window? If it is so easy why did michelin want to make sweeping changes if they were going to tender?

 

You're right, normal racing tyres degrade based on how much energy is put through them, they have very wide temperature windows and excel with heat, they degrade in a predictable linear fashion. You can push on them or ease off to control the wear. The Pirelli's however are constructed so that at a certain temperature a chemical process breaks the tyre down, that's the cliff and there's no going back, mandatory tyre management is required to stay inside a narrow window at all times.

[Clatter]

This has been discussed and explained many times, yet still gets used as an excuse. Let me try again, Pirelli were asked to provide high degradation tyres, not tyres you have to temperature manage the entire race. Nobody asked for that.

Basically give us a shorter life Bridgestone not a chemical cliff, temperature window management cheese factory. I mean who came up with that spec? Pirelli of course.

Can you post a copy of the spec they have to work to? Sounds like you must have it.

[Clatter]

I'm not tyre engineer but surley the nature of making tyres degrade faster means they will run hotter as more material is being worked and discarded? Surely every tyre has an operational temperature window? If it is so easy why did michelin want to make sweeping changes if they were going to tender?

Michelin wanted changes because they are unwilling to take the crap that Pirelli have done.

[iakhtar]

Can you post a copy of the spec they have to work to? Sounds like you must have it.

 

The spec was high degradation, Bernie wanted multiple pitstops for the spectacle, this is common knowledge.

[Clatter]

The spec was high degradation, Bernie wanted multiple pitstops for the spectacle, this is common knowledge.

So the bid and the contract was based on those few words?

[Kev00]

So the bid and the contract was based on those few words?

Well it seems that way. They didn't even have a testing programme in that contract! It genuinely think the mandate was 2-3 stops per race and varying strategy. That's about it I think. The lack of clarity has also given Pirelli too much power IMO.

[Clatter]

Well it seems that way. They didn't even have a testing programme in that contract! It genuinely think the mandate was 2-3 stops per race and varying strategy. That's about it I think. The lack of clarity has also given Pirelli too much power IMO.

Personally I think there was a lot more too it than that and the bids would have specified how and what they would give. BE has often said that they are doing exactly what was asked of them and is vocal enough to say if they were not. As far as testing goes it's not their fault if the sport will not provide for adequate testing.

[Marklar]

Mark Hughes ‏@SportmphMark  20s20 seconds ago

Pirelli confirms F1 contract extension to end of 2019.

[Trust]

 

Mark Hughes ‏@SportmphMark  20s20 seconds ago

Pirelli confirms F1 contract extension to end of 2019.

 

This is torture.

[Heisenberg]

Actually Michelin said they would do tires that would require 2-3 stints per race, but the performance of the tire would allow pushing from start to finish.

 

yes please!!!

[encircled]

 

Mark Hughes ‏@SportmphMark  20s20 seconds ago

Pirelli confirms F1 contract extension to end of 2019.

 

So, usage of P-Zero (Performance-Zero) tires continues.

[BuddyHolly]

 

Mark Hughes ‏@SportmphMark  20s20 seconds ago

Pirelli confirms F1 contract extension to end of 2019.

 

 

Dear god no..  

[Atreiu]

Hooray?

[Diablobb81]

Will we end up with 1000 psi by that time?

[LuckyStrike1]

Pirelli has some winter tires that don't work that well. 

[thegforcemaybewithyou]

Will we end up with 1000 psi by that time?

 

They will change the unit from psi to bar and claim that "instead of 22 psi we now have managed to lower the minimum pressure to only 1.5 bar, a decrease of about 93%!".

[pdac]

That's F1

[SenorSjon]

They will change the unit from psi to bar and claim that "instead of 22 psi we now have managed to lower the minimum pressure to only 1.5 bar, a decrease of about 93%!".

Most grannies have lower tire pressures on their Ka/Panda.

[David Lightman]

3 more years of people bitching