9 replies to this topic

[Bob Riebe]

This may show how good Kasse is but this just is not right, in my opinion.

 

some one did a Packhard, sweeeet.

 

http://www.enginelab...-engine-masters

[Lee Nicolle]

The thing with these dyno pull engines is that they are designed to make dyno power. Most will be useless in a racecar for any application.

Some interesting engines though, the two most common early 50s engines. Though both are about 1954 so are only just old enough [55 the SBC comes and pales these to insignificance. Though with a 265 base probably not ]

 

It would be far more interesting to do this with more normal stroke combos however. 4" stroke cranks were never remotely available in the day.

And neither was efi!  Though I have seen very old style Hilborns on that vintage of Mopar. Blocks that were bored to 4" in the day too.

The Mopar was still  a 'valid' piece in the 60s and early 70s whereas the Y block was a boat anchor as soon as the Windsor arrived, Though a very large heavy lump you can still make them go ok for that period of classic car.

[Fat Boy]

Interesting, but in 1954, there was really only one racing engine, the Offy. I guess these are supposed to be street-based, but it seems kind of disingenuous to not have the engine that ruled them all in the mix.

[Bob Riebe]

The specs. change every year, with  this year having 5 classes verses 1 a huge change.

 

All pieces must be available over the counter, no race only  pieces but some of the  combos in the past have been amazing but as even the builders said, streetable, but not very.

 

There is politics involved here but the new vingtage class shows that some of the complaints from odd-ball engine types may have had effect.

 

I communicated with some Studebakers specialists in the past and they said then, that they were told don't call us, we will not call you.

 

Kasse seems to be the boy who can take any make engine and make it better than anyone thought possible.

[Lee Nicolle]

Interesting, but in 1954, there was really only one racing engine, the Offy. I guess these are supposed to be street-based, but it seems kind of disingenuous to not have the engine that ruled them all in the mix.

These are road based engines. Not an out right race engine such as the Offy.

[Kelpiecross]

I always liked the Y-block Ford engine.   Having the block extend past the line of the crankshaft seems like a good idea to strengthen this area (the Mk. 5 Jag block does something similar with its block). 

  I have read that the crankshaft from one of the Windsor engines can be used in the Y-block with some minor machining of the seal area - so I would assume that the engine is not all that different to the later Ford V-8s.    Growing up in the 1950s the Y-block was (to me anyhow) the first common V-8 engine.   All the big imported Chevies seemed to be straight sixes.   My old Dad had a new '55 Cusso which I thought was a great car.      

[Lee Nicolle]

I always liked the Y-block Ford engine.   Having the block extend past the line of the crankshaft seems like a good idea to strengthen this area (the Mk. 5 Jag block does something similar with its block). 

  I have read that the crankshaft from one of the Windsor engines can be used in the Y-block with some minor machining of the seal area - so I would assume that the engine is not all that different to the later Ford V-8s.    Growing up in the 1950s the Y-block was (to me anyhow) the first common V-8 engine.   All the big imported Chevies seemed to be straight sixes.   My old Dad had a new '55 Cusso which I thought was a great car.      

I am unsure of Windsor bits fitting.  Though it seems bore spacing for Windsor, Cleveland and Y blocks are the same. Though three very different engine styles. Smallish bores  [ 292 is around 3 3/4"] and longer strokes. Y blocks are in effect junior FE engines. And I have no idea of what changes there either! Though bore spacing is bigger

They do make a Chev look small too look at.  And are damned heavy too. .

Y block was 239- 312 ci. Even better there is a Lincoln Y block which is different again.

The FE big brother was 332 -428 ci. And there is a hell of a range of sub species in that engine range! really they are different engines of the same basic design.

[Bob Riebe]

Some of the contestants at this years Engine Masters used the Lincold rather than the Ford Y-block.

 

Too bad G-W heads are either not legal, or simply not used, as their are South American Weslake heads for the Y-block.

I saw a pair at the museum in Lincoln, Neb.

 

Be interesting to see how they do.

 

As they now have spec. categories, they should make one for vintage after-market heads on the Ford flat-head four-banger.

Edited by Bob Riebe, 20 October 2015 - 15:10.

[Magoo]

The results illustrate that the contest and rules are specifically designed to produce a result that event sponsors and participants can support, and a story that the magazine audience will read and enjoy. What it has to do with contemporary engine development is less clear. 

 

I admire Kaase and his work a great dea and no offense whatsoever against him, but it's a fantastic stretch to call his project a Ford Y engine. He took an aftermarket cylinder head manufactured decades after the Y engine was out of production, welded it up solid, and then machined a new cylinder head from the blank. How is that a Y engine? Again, this is no slam against Jon at all. He has a business and he participates in this contest in the interest of his business, playing the game fair and square according to the rules as they are set forth. 

 

All I am saying is I don't find the contest particularly interesting. Different strokes for different folks. 

 

 

 

EDIT - I must mention that Jon Kaase and I had a mutual friend (and an old racing partner of his from high school days, actually) who late last year succumbed to cancer. Jon took the time to travel to Cary's hospice and spent a good deal of quality time with him in the final days, bench racing and sharing memories. This meant a tremendous amount to Cary and made his final hours on earth far more bearable. Jon Kaase is a class act all the way. 

Edited by Magoo, 20 October 2015 - 20:46.

[Lee Nicolle]

I looked at Wiki !! the other day. In South America they used [as they do] that old lump for decades after the rest of the world and updated it eventually too from what I gather to be a Windsor style head. IE IE IE IE.  Meaning in effect Windsor type power should be available.

The Lincoln Y block while similar is NOT a Ford Y block. 

Read the article on Wiki re these engines.

I am sure somewhere else is better and more specific info but it was a good start.