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[tonyed]

Having watched this morning MotoGP from Sepang and appreciated the way that Rossi swatted the annoying and very dangerous Marquez out of the way what hard moves can be remembered from the past and how were they justified?

 

I have a photo of myself which appears to show me replacing my left foot onto the footpeg after it made contact with the floored rider, Andy Abram.

 

If fact nothing could be further from the truth, M'Lud.

 

Edited by tonyed, 25 October 2015 - 12:59.

[knickerbrook]

Don't worry Tony - "a racing incident" will cover it!

 

Where is it? Looks like you had the place all to yourselves!

[tonyed]

Waterbeach, just outside Cambridge.

 

For a couple of years the Newmarket Club had an arrangement with the Army, mainly through Barry Roberts (Sapper) who was stationed there.

 

Loads of wide fast bends and a 2 million mile straight.

 

This 'incident' happened at the end of the straight where we had a chicane. Used to get a decent crowd but at this point they were behind the photographer.

 

The NAAFI used to supply the food almost free from a big marquee in the paddock.   

[billlawrence]

Did you have to start at the back of the grip next race?   Bill Lawrence

[tonyed]

No I appealed and was let off with no punishment as Andy was not Spanish. 

[roger9650]

I suppose, in all fairness, that something interesting in MotoGP had to happen sometime.

[Eric Dunsdon]

I suppose, in all fairness, that something interesting in MotoGP had to happen sometime.

I found this an intereresting comment. My knowledge of motor cycle racing these days is limited to what I see on TV. As a kid, reading my big brothers magazines I formed the impression that Geoff Duke was the top man of the day. Others who stood out were Les Graham and Bob McIntyre. I later added Mike Hailwood and Agostini to that list.

My interest has always been in motor racing  and I am frequently annoyed by the opinions and comments of people who clearly have little historic knowledge of the sport and so wonder what real followers of motor cycle racing think of current Moto GP  and its 'stars'?. I hear Valentino Rossi being described as The greatest of all time', though I find myself doubting that its the case. I would be interested in any comments on this.

[GTPRacing]

There is no real way of comparing modern day riders with those of the past. The sport of modern motorcycle racing is a world away from those heady days of the 50's, 60's etc. There is no doubt that all the riders currently in Moto GP have considerable talent, but it is so different from the days of Duke, Surtees & Hailwood.

With all the electronics on modern GP machinery and the advent of various compounds of slick tyres promoting incredible lean angles, and super smooth tracks with massive run off areas. How can you compare this to bumpy road circuits, Dunlop triangulars and drum brakes?

Having said that, I feel that the riders of the past needed to have more actual riding skill/throttle control than there modern counterparts to cope with  the likes of the TT and Nurburgring etc.

Also, in the days of Mike the Bike, riders were competing in several classes at each GP. Having to practice & qualify on several different bikes, not the one as they do today.

Modern "stars" have massive PR support and are promoted all over the world, not like the in the past. How many top riders were unknown to the general public, but superstars amongst those from the motorcycle world?  

As for the GOAT label, now attached to Mr Rossi, I have no doubt that he is an extremely gifted rider, you just need to look at his record, but for me he comes a poor third to 1) SMB Hailwood and 2) Jarno Saarinen the two most gifted riders that it has been my privilege to  watch. But there is no doubt that his publicity machine has done a superb job, when you see all those yellow 46 flags at the GP's, although he may have blotted his copybook with last weekend's shenanagins!   

[Eric Dunsdon]

There is no real way of comparing modern day riders with those of the past. The sport of modern motorcycle racing is a world away from those heady days of the 50's, 60's etc. There is no doubt that all the riders currently in Moto GP have considerable talent, but it is so different from the days of Duke, Surtees & Hailwood.

With all the electronics on modern GP machinery and the advent of various compounds of slick tyres promoting incredible lean angles, and super smooth tracks with massive run off areas. How can you compare this to bumpy road circuits, Dunlop triangulars and drum brakes?

Having said that, I feel that the riders of the past needed to have more actual riding skill/throttle control than there modern counterparts to cope with  the likes of the TT and Nurburgring etc.

Also, in the days of Mike the Bike, riders were competing in several classes at each GP. Having to practice & qualify on several different bikes, not the one as they do today.

Modern "stars" have massive PR support and are promoted all over the world, not like the in the past. How many top riders were unknown to the general public, but superstars amongst those from the motorcycle world?  

As for the GOAT label, now attached to Mr Rossi, I have no doubt that he is an extremely gifted rider, you just need to look at his record, but for me he comes a poor third to 1) SMB Hailwood and 2) Jarno Saarinen the two most gifted riders that it has been my privilege to  watch. But there is no doubt that his publicity machine has done a superb job, when you see all those yellow 46 flags at the GP's, although he may have blotted his copybook with last weekend's shenanagins!   

Thats pretty much the answer  that I was expecting. Clearly, Moto GP has gone the way of 'Eff One' and bears no resemblance to the respective sports that many of us fell in love with in the 1950's and I could have given muc h the same reply if asked to compare then with now.. Thank you for your comments.

[Revetts]

I am inclined to agree with the two previous posts. It is of course impossible to compare "then" and "now". So much has changed in our sport. Is Moto GP now a sport or a business as F1 appears to be? Rossi the GOAT?  More like Rossi the ASS! Seems to think he is bigger than racing it's self. Found he couldn't out psyche Marquez so has resorted to the methods used on Gibenau etc. Maybe he should call it a day while some still consider him the GOAT? More comments welcome!!!

[tonyed]

Agree with the comments concerning the generations of the sport.

 

But, in my opinion, Marquez is not only a danger to himself but to those he is racing with.  

 

Many of his moves are borderline to say the least, and we'll see what happens when he doesn't have the Bridgestone 'magic' front tyre grip.

 

Anyway it's all in the hands of arbitration now (i wonder who sits on this panel and their nationalities, I smell a conspiracy here )

 

I am still inclined to vote riders such as Harold Daniel GOAT. Anyone who could get a pre-war Manx round the Island circuit as it was in those days (1938) at over 91mph deserves respect, a feat more impressive, to me, than 130mph on a 200 bhp superbike on todays' circuit.    

[GTPRacing]

Whilst I agree with your comments regarding Marquez, I feel that it was a stupid move by Rossi to deliberately slow down and run Marquez out wide. However annoying Marquez may have been,  Rossi played right into his hands by doing what he did and making it so obvious.

I don't think Rossi actually caused Marquez to crash, but there is no doubt that he waited for him before forcing him out wide. Had he done it a little more subtlety, no one would have batted an eyelid.  

I would also question Rossi's obsession that Marquez is in league with Lorenzo, which seems to be the root of the issue. If this was true, surely Marquez would have allowed Lorenzo to win in Australia? He could have easily made it look that he couldn't quite catch him despite a great last lap effort.

In my opinion, the officials should have given Rossi the black flag and disqualified him. At least then Rossi would be starting from his qualifying position at Valencia and it would be a straight fight for the title, albeit Rossi would  be behind Lorenzo in the points standings. As it is now, if the ruling stands, he will be starting from the back of the grid. However, with the news of his appeal, who knows how it will all end. Rossi could win the title, only to be stripped of it months later. Not a great outcome for the sport!

[chunder27]

I think hard moves have been around since the heady days of the 90s.

There will never be a move harder than Schwantz/Rainey at Hockenheim in 1991 in my view.

Roberts on Loris or Barros at Sachsenring in 2000 was pretty tough! Took him out I think.

There is less sportsmanlike conduct in bike racing at the top level these days, having said that, try watching top level motocross or supercross where bodily contact in passing moves is far more accepted and dished out. Ok uou are moving slower, but still!

[Paul Collins]

HRC Boss's take on things, quite diplomatic and well balanced I thought.

 

Q&A with Shuhei Nakamoto, HRC Executive Vice President

“First of all, we would like to state that we believe it is very important to speak about the facts, not about assumptions. A fact is a fact and there is only one interpretation. Assumptions can be translated in different ways, depending on which side you are. For the good of our sport, we would like everybody to just consider the facts that occurred and these are clearly the following:

- Marc Marquez won the Australian GP, overtaking Jorge Lorenzo on the last lap, and therefore taking away 5 points from him in the Championship.

- On Thursday prior to the Malaysian GP in the Pre-Event Press Conference, Valentino Rossi accused Marc of racing against him in Phillip Island to help Jorge Lorenzo.

- In the Malaysian GP, Rossi intentionally pushed Marc out of the racing line which caused him to crash. Race Direction gave him a penalty for this action, confirmed by FIM.


As a matter of fact, the aforementioned topics are the only facts we can consider and comment upon, any other discussion would be based on assumptions. To speak about assumptions would only increase the negative atmosphere we are facing in this moment, but will not change the reality of what happened.”


What is your opinion regarding the current situation after the Malaysian GP?

“We as HRC are very regretful this situation has been created. First of all, we would like to underline that Marc has been subject to an accusation with no evidence, after the Phillip Island race. Clearly there are no grounds to support that he wanted to help any rider in the Championship battle, considering he pushed to win the race and did so. After reviewing the images further, you can clearly see Valentino and Marc shaking hands after the chequered flag in Australia, acknowledging a great and fair battle.”

Do you believe the battle in the Malaysian GP between Marc and Valentino is a result of Valentino’s accusation?

“We honestly don’t think this is the case. We all know Marc races at 100% all the time, it’s one of the reasons we all love him and he has so many fans around the world. Marc always pushes to the maximum to achieve the best result possible. He had a great battle in his career with many riders, and nobody complained about that. In Malaysia, we know that Marc was struggling at the beginning of the race with the full tank, as has happened several times this season. Also in Sepang he made a mistake at the beginning of the race and this allowed Jorge to pass him. Then Valentino arrived and they began to fight for third place. The passes were extreme, but safe, from both riders. Two of the greatest champions we’ve seen battling together on track”

Is it possible that Marc slowed down Valentino in those laps?

“The lap times they were doing were quite fast, clearly showing that there was no intention from Marc to slow down Valentino. In addition, after Marc crashed and Valentino had an open track in front of him, his lap times were no faster then during the battle with Marc. We believe, they were both pushing to the maximum. Both wanted third place and to try and catch up with Dani and Jorge, but of course this battle opened up a gap to the front two. This is racing and when you have two talents such as Marc and Valentino you can see a wonderful battle as we saw.”

Do you believe Valentino kicked Marc’s bike?

“It is clear that Valentino intentionally pushed Marc towards the outside of the track, which is out of the rules, therefore Marc had no other option other than to run wide. The data from Marc’s bike shows that even though he was picking up the bike trying to avoid contact with Valentino, his front brake lever suddenly received an impact that locked the front tyre, which is the reason for his crash. We believe that this pressure was a result of Rossi’s kick. The data acquisition from Marc’s bike is available if anybody from Dorna, the FIM or media want to check.”

Do you believe Marc is telling the truth when he says he wasn’t trying to slow down Valentino in Sepang?

“I know Marc well. He is a good guy, with strong and honest values. Marc was just trying to defend his position, as any rider would do, and we believe him 100%.”

What is your position on how Race Direction acted?

“We respect the decision of Race Direction and don’t want to pass judgement if the penalty they administered was right or wrong. However, we do believe there was enough evidence to allow them to take a decision during the race, it was not necessary to wait until the end.”

What do you think of Valentino’s appeal to the CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport) against Race Direction and FIM’s decision?

“This is in his rights. We will respect the CAS decision.”

People say that it’s unfair that Marc battled with Valentino, as Marc is not fighting for the Championship, while Valentino is.

“This is racing! There were no comments or concerns after Dani fought with Valentino in Aragon and beat him, and also in Phillip Island with Iannone – nobody accused Andrea of trying to help one competitor more than the other. It’s been a difficult season and in Sepang Marc simply wanted to take the best result possible for him and his team, it’s not in his nature to settle for fourth place when there is a chance to fight for third. We should also look back to Motegi 2010 when Valentino was out of the race for the title but had a great battle with his teammate Jorge. After the race, when Jorge complained about Valentino being too aggressive and with no meaning as he was out of the Championship, Valentino commented: “I said to Yamaha, what do you expect from me, to arrive behind? If I know this I will stay at home.” We totally agree with Valentino’s approach and will always support our riders to achieve the best results possible.”

What is your opinion of Valentino in this moment?

“Valentino is the greatest ever champion of our sport. We believe he has done a great job this year, and if he wins the Championship he truly deserves it, as he has been consistent and very fast all year. The fact that he is 36 years old increases the respect for such a great champion. Having said that, we don’t understand his accusation related to the Phillip Island race and his manoeuvre in Sepang. We hope that Valentino will think it over and understand his mistake.”

What is your target for Valencia?

“As always, our target is to win! Our hope is that Marc and Dani can fight for the win. If they can finish first and second – it doesn’t matter for us which order – then we will be very happy. First of all, because we want to finish this season with the 4th win in a row, second because if they both are in front of Jorge and Valentino, their result will have no influence in the battle for the title and – finally – we hope everybody will understand that Honda riders race for the win and the pure competition, for nothing else.”

 

 

[tonyed]

Ah! Pigamoto San the mouthpiece of HRC - The EVIL empire 

 

Wouldn't insult the workshop with a product of theirs'. 

 

Reptile Honda  - Marquez falls off, runs back to daddy and cries foul.

 

Data Shows, Data Shows, Data Shows - Bollo  

 

If Rossi kicked his front brake lever how come the lever guard was still intact, did he have a special pair of Dianese 'wincklepicker' racing boots to get up between the guard and the lever? 

Edited by tonyed, 03 November 2015 - 06:33.

[fastfitter]

 The data from Marc’s bike shows that his front brake lever suddenly received an impact that locked the front tyre, which is the reason for his crash. We believe that this pressure was a result of Rossi’s kick.

 

 

 

There's a sensor on the brake lever itself? Or simply a pressure monitor on the hydraulics? But how would either 'know' what actually applied the lever? An Italian leg or a Spanish finger?

 

 

If Rossi kicked his front brake lever how come the lever guard was still intact, did he have a special pair of Dianese 'wincklepicker' racing boots to get up between the guard and the lever? 

 

That ^ 

[tonyed]

I believe Reptile Hondas statement  should have started with  'Once upon a time' as all good fairy stories start.

 

PS: there is no cash prize to guess whose side I'm on. 

[GTPRacing]

I'd never have guessed that you were supporting Vale!  

I have tried to look at the visual evidence in an unbiased way, I'm no big fan of either rider to be honest, I just tried to analyse the evidence.

I'm in no doubt that the front brake was grabbed by Marquez himself, the only person who could have done it owing to the fact that the bike has a brake guard. However, as I said previously,  Rossi's error was in losing his rag and deliberately slowing to run Marquez out wide and that in itself, was against the rules, regardless of who did or didn't cause Marquez to crash. If he had taken him out wide during a genuine racing pass, fair enough, that's racing. By blatantly slowing and waiting for him before deliberately running him out, he played right into his hands and gave race direction no choice but to punish him. I just wish that they had the Ba**s to black flag Rossi and let it go down to the last race in Valencia. By doing what they did, they just made the situation worse.

If Honda's  statement is to be believed, then it would seem that Marquez wasn't holding up Rossi if his lap times once out on his own were no quicker.

As for Vale's conspiracy theory, I can't make my mind up if it's been done as a PR stunt or if Vale is genuinely losing the plot, but it seems to have snowballed out of control to leave us in this crazy situation that has split the MotoGP world.

It is a shame that it has come down to this after what has been the best MotoGP season for years. It seems to me that MotoGP is heading in the direction of F1, which is certainly nothing to aspire to! 

[SMonty]

Tend to agree with everything GTP has just said.

 

No matter who's side anyone is on, the big loser here is the sport. After such a good exciting season and battle for the championship it does the sport no good whatsoever for the title to be decided by means of a decision at a race direction meeting, or even worse, in some court room months later.

 

Sad state of affairs when we should all be celebrating how exciting our season has been.

[tonyed]

Possibly the real sad state of affairs for our sport in that at this level it is no longer a sport but a business.

 

I see the latest is that Lorenzo wanted to get in on the arbitration hearing so get his tuppeny knife into Rossi. The words 'bag' and 'sh#t' come to mind.

 

Ah well you know what they say about the Spanish  

[fastfitter]

Why did Lorenzo slink off the podium? Surely he hadn't had time to fully revue what had happened behind him. Disappointment at finishing 2nd or because plan B had backfired? 

[tonupdave]

Those of us remember that it is not the first time that Rossi has run somebody wide this is not racing in all of my years racing,marshalling , I have never seen this type thing only present day . In the past if you did that you would probably kill somebody  nowadays you can come off at 200 mph and dust yourself down ..I don't wont to return to the past but I don't like dirty riding........

My view only T.U.D.   

[tonyed]

quote Tonupdave

 

'Those of us remember that it is not the first time that Rossi has run somebody wide this is not racing in all of my years racing,marshalling , I have never seen this type thing only present day' 

 

​Never marshaled at Druids at Brands?

 

On the first lap it was sometimes surprising if you came out of the bend on the same bike you went in it on.

 

Punching, kicking etc it could get a bit frenetic.

 

Moving someone out into the weeds was an accepted move, obviously not deliberately  ​ if they finished up in the 'bondu' well, as they say, all is fair in war and roadracing. No quarter asked no quarter given. 

 

​I hope Rossi stuffs it to the great 'sportsmen' from Spain.

 

Quote Lorenzo 'I'll give everything to get this title' - backhanders, bribes etc etc (Marquez and Lorenzo   )

 

I see Rossi lost his appeal - starts from the back - appeal judges were Franco, Francos' Mum, Francos' Dad, some gormless toothy looking guy with a no93 T shirt on, a cabbage, a small lump of cheese, two blind mice and three monkeys. A fair hearing I would say.  

 

I hope MM is looking forward to the horses head in his bed.

 

Arrivederchi Cromer (as they say on the North Norfolk Coast) 

[Michael Ferner]

I found this an intereresting comment. My knowledge of motor cycle racing these days is limited to what I see on TV. As a kid, reading my big brothers magazines I formed the impression that Geoff Duke was the top man of the day. Others who stood out were Les Graham and Bob McIntyre. I later added Mike Hailwood and Agostini to that list.
My interest has always been in motor racing  and I am frequently annoyed by the opinions and comments of people who clearly have little historic knowledge of the sport and so wonder what real followers of motor cycle racing think of current Moto GP  and its 'stars'?. I hear Valentino Rossi being described as The greatest of all time', though I find myself doubting that its the case. I would be interested in any comments on this.

I lost all my interest in motorcycle racing when Valentino Rossi became virtually unbeatable. I strongly detest his persona, simply can't stand the man, and to see him winning over and over again was just too much. Haven't watched a cycle GP since.

Regarding the OP, the most memorable dirty move I ever witnessed live on TV was Capirossi's assault on Tetsuya Harada at the Argentine GP some time in the late 90s. A couple years later, Melandri tried to do the same to Alzamora, so I wasn't really sorry for Rossi and my to cylce racing. I don't want to waste my time watching guys who can't lose gracefully.

[tonyed]

Capirossis' moved on Harada was perfectly legitimate, hard maybe but 100% Kosha.

 

I sometimes wonder what series some members actually raced in  

 

Was it the 'Womens Institute Knitting' championships   

[tonupdave]

Yes I have marshalled at Druids and also raced at Brands, Crystal palace could be frantic but never did see blatent knocking  riders out of the way must have been in the wrong races .......Though twice at Brands I had my bike impounded due to fatalities ....Not much fun .....Late 50s early 60s

[GTPRacing]

Well Tony, we certainly can't shake you from your belief in Vale, can we? Apart from the fact that you obviously despise both Marquez & Lorenzo what has the rest of Spain done to you?

With today's news that Vale has lost his appeal & will have to start from the back of the grid, Dorna & the FIM have succeeded in ruining the last race of the season. Why did they not have the bottle to black flag Rossi and then at least the final GP would have been a straight fight for the title. Riders would start from where they qualified with Rossi some 9 points behind Lorenzo. but at least both riders would have a shot at the title. With the grid penalty, it doesn't look good for Rossi, although in racing, you never know!

I must admit, I don't understand all the hatred for Lorenzo, he has ridden well all season and if he wins the title, he would deserve it just as much as Rossi. OK he's not Mr personality, but he is certainly a good rider as was Vale's other nemesis Casey Stoner. I thought that the idea was to find the best motorbike racer, not the one with the wackiest personality.

Anyway, this weekend we will find out the answer and I'm sure that whatever the outcome, this is going to rumble on!

I'll declare my support for:---------------- Danny Kent!!

[chunder27]

tonyed.

What planet are you on fella!

 

Deliberately taking out another rider with the sole aim of making sure he does not finish is perhaps one of the single most awful things I ahve ever seen in bike racing, and Capirossi was always someone I had little time for after this.

 

It was calculated, potentially grevious bodily harm!!  Harada had and always did ride well, was a very clever man, and the polotics involved in that lot that year were insane with Rossi there too, they all hated each other!

 

In my kind that years championship should have been declared null and void and Harada given the points of for the win as what Loris did was unforgiveable.

 

Rossi has been over forceful numerous times nad has form so no shock there.  I like him and the sport will suffer greatly when he goes, but he is probably hte dirtiest champion we have ever had in bike racing  (though there hvae been numerous ones, Brits included)

 

That track also saw a young Marco Melandri deliberately slowing to mess up Alzamora in 125 in 97/98 and stop him winning the title, he was very young Marco, but I disliked him from then on after doing whet he did to the deserved champ Alzamora who ride like a legend on a dog slow Honda for those two years.

[tonyed]

My real feelings are that I don't really care who wins.

 

As I said in an earlier post it has become a business not a sport and we all know there are no rules in business.

 

Much as another contributor posted I also lost most interest in MotoGP or as it was then 500s with the domination of first Doohan and then Rossi (my interest was in the two stroke machinery rather than the racing). Now we have diesels who cares about the machinery?

 

Other series running road bikes - well I could stand by the M25 and have as much interest and see the same bikes.

 

When I first went to Mallory Park in 1966 for race of the year the road bikes were in the bike parks and the race machines in the paddock.

 

Still it has stimulated some debate and as this is a nostalgia website lets keep looking back to the glorious days of yore.

 

I'd still vote for Harold Daniel as a leading contender as GOAT. 

[Michael Ferner]

Capirossis' moved on Harada was perfectly legitimate, hard maybe but 100% Kosha.
 
I sometimes wonder what series some members actually raced in  
 
Was it the 'Womens Institute Knitting' championships

Yes, you are a hard man. :bow:

[ensign14]

Capirossis' moved on Harada was perfectly legitimate, hard maybe but 100% Kosha.

 

I sometimes wonder what series some members actually raced in

 

Was it the 'Womens Institute Knitting' championships   

 

To be fair, Marquez did come a purler.

[exclubracer]

I have to wonder if the end result of all this will be a gaggle of Italian riders crowding (kettling is I believe, the modern parlance) Lorenzo in order to keep him off the podium with perhaps Marqez also with a bullseye on his back. The Italians have form for this and the Ducatis are quite rapid too. 

[tonyed]

tonyed.

What planet are you on fella!

 

Deliberately taking out another rider with the sole aim of making sure he does not finish is perhaps one of the single most awful things I ahve ever seen in bike racing, and Capirossi was always someone I had little time for after this.

 

It was calculated, potentially grevious bodily harm!!  Harada had and always did ride well, was a very clever man, and the polotics involved in that lot that year were insane with Rossi there too, they all hated each other!

 

In my kind that years championship should have been declared null and void and Harada given the points of for the win as what Loris did was unforgiveable.

 

Rossi has been over forceful numerous times nad has form so no shock there.  I like him and the sport will suffer greatly when he goes, but he is probably hte dirtiest champion we have ever had in bike racing  (though there hvae been numerous ones, Brits included)

 

That track also saw a young Marco Melandri deliberately slowing to mess up Alzamora in 125 in 97/98 and stop him winning the title, he was very young Marco, but I disliked him from then on after doing whet he did to the deserved champ Alzamora who ride like a legend on a dog slow Honda for those two years.

 

 

I did think that it was obvious from my initial posting that most of what I have said was tongue in cheek.

 

Still it's been a good thread with a little bit of who's the GOAT thrown in. 

[fastfitter]

The telling thing for me was the complete lack of reaction or histrionics from Marquez, both when he went down and when he returned to the garage. No arm-waving 'he pushed/kicked me', he slunk back like a little boy who's been caught with his hand in the sweet jar. 

And I've never been a Rossi groupie. Looked to me that MM could have set off after Lorenzo pretty easily but he chose to get in a squabble with Rossi.

[knickerbrook]

If nothing else, the response to this topic has shown there may still be some life left in this forum !

As said so often these days "use it or lose it" - so lets not lose it!

[Paul Collins]

My thoughts too Barry.

 

If we have a few modern comments lining up, to make up the grid's, that's fine by me

[tonyed]

My thoughts too Barry.

 

If we have a few modern comments lining up, to make up the grid's, that's fine by me

Todays news is tomorrows nostalgia. 

[tonyed]

Final say on MotoGP 2105.

 

Sorry to see the Spaniard win - I never forgave them for the Armada     

 

Lets get back to what really matters - motorcycle nostalgia.

 

Who remembers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

[tonupdave]

Done and Dusted ...It will give the Media something to do for the next month or so.

[billlawrence]

HI Tonyed don't forget the Armada got smashed time to forgive and forget    Bill Lawrence

[tonyed]

HI Tonyed don't forget the Armada got smashed time to forgive and forget    Bill Lawrence

AND the Spanish Inquisition    

[billlawrence]

OK got me there   Bill

[Merv29]

No mention of Rossi v Gibernau in Spain?

[chunder27]

Rossi has a history of making hard moves.

 

He did it to Biaggi once or twice, but maybe also the other way around too Max was fighting the man rather than the race.

 

Rossi's move on Sete for me was pretty awful, as was the stuff with Stoner at Laguna. That move was fair, it was what happened after that wasn't. His worst though was proving a point with a near title winning Lorenzo at Motegi, that was almost embarassing in its desperation, and sadly his lickers love him for it. So when Marquez starts doing the same all the lickers come out in force conveniently forgetting that although what Marquez was doing as bad, it is no worse than several Rossi moves over the years. Just this time one party has absolutely nothing to lose and Rossi has!

Rossi is a ruthless rider masked as a clown, and it is not something anyone should forget.

 

You did not see riders like this as much in the older days, even the 90's. Rossi is a new breed and ushered in the fact that contact is a part of passing at times and it NEVER should be.

 

He will always be a step below some other legends for me as a result.