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#51 TF110

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 21:13

It seems that there would be a problem of having enough space to enlarge the paddock area to F! required dimensions. Additionally, the track is located in a provicial "back of beyond" territory, lacking adequate airport and hotel services. Also, very pretty track and settings but not great for overtaking.

FIA GT1 went there a few years back and it was a good race. Of course GTs aren't like F1 in overtaking. There's a big hotel right on the lakefront. Not sure if it's a 5-star retreat or whatever F1 seemingly requires but it's a great place and layout. It would be awesome to see f1 there imo.

Edited by TF110, 16 August 2017 - 21:14.


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#52 eirwal

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 23:14

FIA GT1 went there a few years back and it was a good race. Of course GTs aren't like F1 in overtaking. There's a big hotel right on the lakefront. Not sure if it's a 5-star retreat or whatever F1 seemingly requires but it's a great place and layout. It would be awesome to see f1 there imo.

 

I'll try to expand on what I mean when I say "provincial back of beyond". Here go a few facts.

The closest airport authorized to handle international air traffic is around 300 Km. from the track. A 600 Km tound trip.

The hotel you mention is picturesque but has only 110 rooms (many with twin beds which could limit their occupancy) and is 4 star rated. The total lodging capacity in all types (hotels, B&B, cabins, etc) around the circuit seems to add up to around 5000 pax. No 5 stars available. The nearby provincial capital of San Luis would seem to be able to handle some 25.000 pax in all available lodgings (once again, 4 stars or less, probably down to 0 stars).

As for the track itself, I understand that the main problem is, as I mentioned, the lack of space for expanding the paddock area to what F! demands. The track is built on public roads and runs through a sort of weekend villa so there is no appropiate real estate available.I have read that if the pit area could be solved Potrero could obtain a Grade 1 status almost immediately. But...

Finally the track has a capacity for some 52.000 spectators, which puts a serious limit on the organizer's box-office takings.

In short, long distances for the F! circus to cover but also for spectators -850 Km from Buenos Aires, for example- limited hotel capacity and limited spactator areas, all work against Potrero de los Funes. Nice track, wrong location.


Edited by eirwal, 16 August 2017 - 23:15.


#53 highdownforce

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 02:57

IIRC, Potrero de los Funes was absent since 2015 from any major Argentine racing calendar.

It was only this year that Super TC 2000 raced there, and IIRC it is the only series to do so.

 

Potrero de los Funes - Súper TC 2000  2017

 

Autódromo Oscar y Juan Gálvez - Top Race V6  2017

 

Autódromo Termas de Río Hondo - WTCC 2017

 

 

Edit:

Btw, an Argentinian member may confirm this, but the lake section of Autódromo Oscar y Juan Gálvez is not used since 2010.

And the old GP Layout is not used since 2006.

 

Edit 2:

Funny thing, a Brazilian series, Porsche Império GT3 Cup and Challange Sprint Series has raced this month at Autódromo Oscar y Juan Gálvez using the lake section and the Ascari chicane. 

 

 

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Track layout at about 14min

Race 1 Porsche Challenge - 34min

Race 1 Porsche Cup - 1h58min


Edited by highdownforce, 17 August 2017 - 04:32.


#54 ArrowsLivery

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 11:34

The lake loop would surely be subjected to considerable re-profiling a la Mexico City? Otherwise it would simply be a de facto straight - it would be flat out through both right-handers there.

 

That would be a sight to see. 



#55 Kristian

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 13:31

You could do something like this, based on the existing circuit:

 

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Basically go to the old lake loop, but bring in the loop a bit to allow for more runoff/grandstands (I'd pay to see the current cars go through there!) 

 

Tighten up the corner after the back straight into a hairpin, then follow the old track round. 

 

It will be 49 laps. 

 

Or this faster layout for the final section: 

 

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This would be 56 laps (Tilke's favourite length)

 

 

There are faster combinations which I'd love to see (as you can tell from my opinions in the French GP topic), but these are based realistically on what the FIA would approve



#56 Otaku

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 14:13

Edit:

Btw, an Argentinian member may confirm this, but the lake section of Autódromo Oscar y Juan Gálvez is not used since 2010.

And the old GP Layout is not used since 2006.

 

 

Actually the old lake section is used every year by TC, the last race having taken place like 2 weeks ago with the "1000 kms of Buenos Aires"

 

Here's the full race if you wanna take a look:

 

 

Those "crappy cars" were doing 280 km/h at the end of the back straight.

 

 

The "GP Layout" is rarely used by important series over here, it is used by minor crap :D.

 

 

Don't know what exact configuration they are planning to use. Currently there are 3 of them that include the lake portion: Circuit 12, 14 and 15 (used by F1 in the 70s). You can check all the current configs here: https://es.wikipedia...álvez#Circuitos


Edited by Otaku, 17 August 2017 - 14:14.


#57 highdownforce

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 18:37

Actually the old lake section is used every year by TC, the last race having taken place like 2 weeks ago with the "1000 kms of Buenos Aires"

 

Here's the full race if you wanna take a look:

 

[ Turismo Carretera racing at the lake section in 2017, contrary to what I've said before ]

 

Those "crappy cars" were doing 280 km/h at the end of the back straight.

 

 

The "GP Layout" is rarely used by important series over here, it is used by minor crap :D.

 

 

Don't know what exact configuration they are planning to use. Currently there are 3 of them that include the lake portion: Circuit 12, 14 and 15 (used by F1 in the 70s). You can check all the current configs here: https://es.wikipedia...álvez#Circuitos

 

Thanks for that. Sorry, I usually don't follow TC.

As you've said, Configuration 15 is the older GP layout and 12 is the one TC (Heck, it is written on the Wikipedia page) and Porsche Cup uses nowadays. 

 

If I have to guess, I would say the layout should be a mix of config 9 and 15. Old GP layout plus Senna's S from the 1990's.


Edited by highdownforce, 17 August 2017 - 18:38.


#58 Otaku

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 15:52


Edited by Otaku, 04 September 2017 - 15:53.


#59 Anja

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 21:17

Looks like it's getting serious.

 

http://en.f1i.com/ne...endar-2019.html



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#60 AustinF1

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 22:12

 

negotiations were underway for Argentina to become the third South American race on the F1 calendar after Brazil and Mexico.

LOL. For the eleventy-bazillionth time, Mexico is in North America.



#61 AustinF1

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 22:26

Here's another...

 

F1 in talks to resume Argentinian Grand Prix after 20-year absence http://www.independe...e-a8221646.html



#62 RacingGreen

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 22:30

Nothing against Argentina - but don't we already have enough GP's a year. Which one do we lose?



#63 johnmhinds

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 22:38

There aren't any plans to extend the Germany contract are there?

 

They'll need another race to make up for it.



#64 ezequiel

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 14:32

This article includes a tiny picture of the proposed circuit, a combination of the current nº8 and nº 12 configurations with some extra corners to slow it down I guess



#65 amedeofelix

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 14:33

I'd just as soon it didn't. It's just there are other places I want to see it go back to, or not stop going to instead.



#66 Goron3

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 14:56

This article includes a tiny picture of the proposed circuit, a combination of the current nº8 and nº 12 configurations with some extra corners to slow it down I guess

There was a recent quote from Whiting where he said he would be happy to remove those mickey mouse corners to make the circuit a bit faster. Hopefully it happens.



#67 noikeee

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 15:15

This article includes a tiny picture of the proposed circuit, a combination of the current nº8 and nº 12 configurations with some extra corners to slow it down I guess


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#68 lustigson

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 16:20

My, how hard can it be?

 

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Edited by lustigson, 23 February 2018 - 16:20.


#69 Currahee

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 17:08


Having visited Argentina a year ago and loved the place I'm all for it.

One thing I remember while visiting El Monumental on a trip there were quite a few Bill boards with Fangio on them promoting something or other. The taxi driver was well impressed that I knew who he was.

#70 taz

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 17:49

Looks like it's getting serious.

 

http://en.f1i.com/ne...endar-2019.html

 

And this article shows yet another layout:

 

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#71 Atreiu

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 18:07

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Urgh, Jesus, no.

 

They layout taz shared seems the best.

 

How many GPs do Liberty want? 25 per season?



#72 Anja

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 18:16

How many GPs do Liberty want? 25 per season?


I think 25 was suggested as the new limit but not necessarily as a goal to reach.


Edited by Anja, 23 February 2018 - 18:29.


#73 PayasYouRace

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 18:22

Given the constant threats to the teams in Brazil, I wouldn’t be surprised to see this as a replacement.

#74 ANF

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 18:42

And this article shows yet another layout:
 
KOhaSoJ.jpg

That looks very Tilke/F1 and it would create enough runoff.