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[FullOppositeLock]

Aeriously!? That's outrageous if true

[Marklar]

 
"RoC got us good. They said there would be a kart race among the F1 drivers so we would tune in. But there isn't any kart race. The article about the kart race is apparently deleted." - Someone who was there

The cached site before they deleted it.

 

http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=ca

 

As they already prepared the karts I guess they cancelled it because they went over shedule, what a disgrace! I was anticipating this race much more than the event!

Edited by Marklar, 21 November 2015 - 18:41.

[Jordan44]

And it's empty....

[DrivenF1]

Very disappointing! Especially if people bought tickets primarily because of the kart race...

[Mandzipop]

Congrats to Seb. About time. Maybe the lack of hangover helped.

[Marklar]

Kart race got cancelled because they didn't had enough Tec-Pro to cover the concrete barriers...didnt they knew that already before????

[Disgrace]

They should have charged more for tickets. Perhaps then they might have had the resources.

[Mandzipop]

They should have charged more for tickets. Perhaps then they might have had the resources.

 

Like heating? My other half is there and is frozen.

[Marklar]

They couldnt even made an real announcement, it was probably just a cheap trick to attrac more spectators...

 

[Disgrace]

They're just covering up for the fact that Plato got everyone drunk in the lounge.

[rhukkas]

The karts are slow. This isnt comparable to bercy

[JHSingo]

A shame they couldn't have communicated that information earlier on. Was looking forward to that.

[TurnOffTheLights]

Statistics...

 

Today's times have been a lot slower than yesterday's due to the partially wet track. So it doesn't make sense to compare them with the ones from the Nations Cup. 

 

Today we've been seeing a total of 41 races. Again starting from the inside was a little bit better, 23 race have been won that way compared to 18 from the outside. 38 out of those 41 races have been won in only 2 heats, there were only 3 matches that needed a deciding 3rd race (Priaulx vs Wehrlein, Priaulx vs Buncombe, Vettel vs Coulthard).

 

Here are the best times. Since we had a best-of-3-mode there have always been minimum 2 races between the same drivers with the same car. Almost every time both drivers were able to improve their time from one heat to the next one. So I've decided to mark each time with a "Heat 1", if it was the first (slower) heat, a "Heat 2" for the 2nd and a "Heat 3" for third.

One should also note, that the track became a bit better from hour to hour.

 

ROC Car

Vettel      1:09.9289 Heat 2 inside

Kristensen  1:10.5907 Heat 2 outside

Plato       1:11.0798 Heat 2 inside

Hülkenberg  1:11.2356 Heat 2 outside

Kristensen  1:11.2460 Heat 1 inside

Massa       1:11.4754 Heat 2 inside

Button      1:11.4970 Heat 2 outside

Vettel      1:11.5364 Heat 1 outside

Massa       1:12.0548 Heat 1 outside

Button      1:12.5082 Heat 1 inside

Hülkenberg  1:12.5593 Heat 1 inside

Hunter-Reay 1:13.1676 Heat 2 outside

Lopez       1:13.2734 Heat 2 inside

Hunter-Reay 1:14.1058 Heat 1 inside

Lopez       1:15.1245 Heat 1 outside

Plato       1:18.1422 Heat 1 outside

 

No surprise that Vettel managed to set the best time in his favourite car, the ROC buggy. But Kristensen would have been the toughest opponent if they had used it in the final as planned, having set the 2nd and 5th overall best time in that car and the best time in a first heat beating Vettels first heat best time!

 

 

Euro Nascar

Kristensen  1:08.0487 Heat 2 inside

Kristensen  1:08.3439 Heat 1 outside

Piquet      1:08.9846 Heat 1 inside

Priaulx     1:09.2859 Heat 3 inside

Piquet      1:09.2982 Heat 2 outside

Wehrlein    1:09.5501 Heat 3 outside

Wehrlein    1:10.4898 Heat 1 inside

Priaulx     1:11.7789 Heat 1 outside

Priaulx     no time   Heat 2 inside

Wehrlein    no time   Heat 2 outside

 

Not that many races in a Euro Nascar, although that one was the most spectacular (yesterday Solberg spun, today Wehrlein drove into the barrier). Kristensen on top of it.

 

 

Radical SR3 RSX

Vettel      1:05.0520 Heat 1 inside

Kristensen  1:05.5627 Heat 1 outside

Kristensen  1:05.6895 Heat 2 outside

Buncombe    1:05.9532 Heat 2 inside

Priaulx     1:07.3082 Heat 2 outside

Kristensen  1:07.3414 Heat 1 inside

Buncombe    1:07.8513 Heat 1 outside

Priaulx     1:08.0679 Heat 1 inside

Hunter-Reay 1:08.4864 Heat 2 inside

Philpot     1:09.5364 Heat 2 outside

Philpot     1:09.7630 Heat 1 inside

Doohan      1:10.0368 Heat 2 inside

Hunter-Reay 1:10.8663 Heat 1 outside

Doohan      1:11.6600 Heat 1 outside

 

Again Vettel and Kristensen on top. Vettel set the overall best time in his one and only race in a Radical in Heat 1 of the final.

 

 

KTM X-Bow

Vettel      1:07.1416 Heat 3 inside

Coulthard   1:07.3483 Heat 2 inside

Vettel      1:07.4942 Heat 2 outside

Vettel      1:07.5776 Heat 1 inside

Coulthard   1:07.9424 Heat 1 outside

Vettel      1:08.2689 Heat 1 outside

Coulthard   1:08.8371 Heat 2 outside

Massa       1:08.8780 Heat 2 inside

Coulthard   1:09.1698 Heat 1 inside

Massa       1:09.6519 Heat 1 outside

Vettel      1:10.2156 Heat 2 inside

Buncombe    1:10.9631 Heat 2 inside

Palmer      1:11.2684 Heat 2 outside

Vettel      1:11.5221 Heat 1 outside

Solberg     1:11.5346 Heat 2 outside

Solberg     1:11.9549 Heat 1 inside

Buncombe    1:11.9524 Heat 1 outside

Palmer      1:12.2863 Heat 1 inside

Coulthard   1:15.7347 Heat 3 outside

Kristensen  1:17.1386 Heat 1 inside

 

It's Vettel again with Coulthard a respectable mention.

 

 

Mercedes-AMG GT S

Buncombe    1:08.9463 Heat 3 outside

Priaulx     1:09.1136 Heat 3 inside

Priaulx     1:09.5752 Heat 2 outside

Buncombe    1:09.9956 Heat 1 outside

Buncombe    1:10.0335 Heat 2 inside

Priaulx     1:10.1751 Heat 1 inside

Hülkenberg  1:12.0069 Heat 2 outside

Coulthard   1:12.2120 Heat 2 outside

Coulthard   1:12.4068 Heat 1 inside

Ricciardo   1:12.4684 Heat 2 inside

Hülkenberg  1:12.9391 Heat 1 inside

Wolff       1:14.0439 Heat 2 inside

Ricciardo   1:14.0512 Heat 1 outside

Wolff       1:15.2998 Heat 1 outside

 

Not much to see here. Neither Vettel nor Kristensen had a run in an AMG.

Only 3 matches and since the first two have been very early in the afternoon it's no surprise all best times are set by Buncombe and Priaulx, the very last match in an AMG today.

 

 

Ariel Atom Cup

Plato       1:10.6633 Heat 2 outside

Buncombe    1:10.7522 Heat 2 inside

Buncombe    1:11.2973 Heat 1 outside

Grosjean    1:11.6346 Heat 2 inside

Plato       1:11.8232 Heat 1 inside

Grosjean    1:11.8581 Heat 1 outside

Philbot     1:11.9377 Heat 2 outside

Philbot     1:12.4642 Heat 1 inside

 

Only 2 matches, but both very close to each other (in terms of when they happened), so at least comparable times. But no Vettel, no Kristensen, so it's Jason Plato who set the best time.

 

Whichever car Vettel had to drive today (only these 3: X-Bow, Radical, ROC Buggy) - he always has set the best time.

 

 

And here are the most succesfull drivers of this year's ROC:

 

Driver       wins losses (ROC only)

Vettel         8    1  89%

Kristensen     6    2  75%

Coulthard      5    2  71%

Buncombe       6    3  67%

Priaulx        5    3  63%

Hülkenberg     2    2  50%

Massa          2    2  50%

Plato          2    2  50%

Hunter-Reay    2    2  50%

Philpot        2    2  50%

Wehrlein       1    2  33%

All other participants: 0%

 

Driver       wins losses (ROC + Nations cup combined)

Vettel        10    2  83%

Priaulx       12    3  80%

Kristensen     8    3  73%

Buncombe       7    4  64%

Coulthard      5    3  63%

Hülkenberg     5    3  63%

Wehrlein       3    3  50%

Hunter-Reay    3    3  50%

Philpot        2    2  50%

Massa          2    3  40%

Button         2    3  40%

Plato          3    5  38%

Grosjean       1    3  25%

Palmer         1    4  20%

All other participants: 0%

Edited by TurnOffTheLights, 21 November 2015 - 20:20.

[Frood]

Yeah, disappointed that they didn't have the kart race. I would have been more disappointed had I gone (I was thinking about buying tickets) and then been told it wasn't going to happen, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few miffed punters out there.

 

(Apparently, the kart race was cancelled as there was no point running it without Max Verstappen - he would have destroyed the field in a kart.  )

[RedBaron]

Just got home. It was so cold. So so cold. I am yet to thaw.

 

I wasn't going then today booked tickets through Yplan at 50% off and £7 discount for joining Yplan. £43 for 2 tickets which turned out to be in the closest row to the track right where the cars entered the stadium.

[Exb]

Yeah, disappointed that they didn't have the kart race. I would have been more disappointed had I gone (I was thinking about buying tickets) and then been told it wasn't going to happen )

Would have been nice if they bothered to tell us the kart race wasn't going to happen. :-(

[smr]

Enjoyed today and I'm glad to say my son Jenson did too - he's only 4 so I didn't know how he'd bear up with how cold it was but he was fine, didn't complain once about it ! One of the highlights of the day was watching Terry Grant stunt driving again!

 

Edited by smr, 22 November 2015 - 01:45.

[smr]

And the final ...

 

[chunder27]

Sadly, Ive seen enough of Terry Grant over the years to never see him again.

I think you call it, flogging a dead horse?

[geordiecraig101]

Here's my vid from yesterday's action with all shot from the "cheepie" seats. If they took out the FMX and all the Terry Grant demos, as good as they are don't get me wrong, this would free up time to have held the kart race as Crofty said towards the end that the stadium had to be handed back over to owners by midnight sunday so that could be reason for it not being held.

 

Also if they are going to keep using short compact layouts, then maybe changing to cars that better suit it would help, sumthing like a WRC machine but in full gravel spec.

 

Anyhow here my vid, skip to 16:45 to see Pascal Wehrlein's demo with the Merc F1.

 

[SpartanChas]

I wasn't sure whether to go or not, but hearing that there would be a kart race with Hulk, Massa, Button, Ricciardo et al swung it for me. I waited for half an hour after it finished but everyone left and nothing else seemed to be happening so I went too, disappointed that they didn't tell us it was cancelled.

 

It was quite an enjoyable day, as said before most of the cars were far too big for that track. I paid £60 for my ticket and not entirely convinced it was good value for money, glad I didn't pay more than that. Not bad entertainment but I can easily think of a few ways to make it better. Maybe schedule it next year so that some WEC and Nascar drivers can join in.

Edited by SpartanChas, 22 November 2015 - 18:37.

[RedBaron]

I wasn't sure whether to go or not, but hearing that there would be a kart race with Hulk, Massa, Button, Ricciardo et al swung it for me. I waited for half an hour after it finished but everyone left and nothing else seemed to be happening so I went too, disappointed that they didn't tell us it was cancelled.

 

It was quite an enjoyable day, as said before most of the cars were far too big for that track. I paid £60 for my ticket and not entirely convinced it was good value for money, glad I didn't pay more than that. Not bad entertainment but I can easily think of a few ways to make it better. Maybe schedule it next year so that some WEC and Nascar drivers can join in.

 

 

Got to agree here £60 was pricey, I was absolutely not going until I saw an on the day deal for £25 or so per ticket. I was surprised as to how good our seats were considering the price and last minute purchase.

 

No one in front of us, as close as you could get to the 'circuit'. I have a shoddy video or two on my phone to show you:

 

https://streamable.com/3a2e

https://streamable.com/wchr

 

Again I have to agree, the cars were on the whole too big for the circuit. They needed to be smaller and nimble. For me too the main event would definitely have been a kart race between all competitors.

 

Had a lot of fun though, not been before. I think it would be even better if we saw the drivers in the stadium out of their cars too though, maybe bring 1 or 2 out of the paddock area between their own races to commentate on the very short races so we get to see them a little throughout the day.

Edited by RedBaron, 22 November 2015 - 18:58.

[Tzaca]

Got to agree here £60 was pricey, I was absolutely not going until I saw an on the day deal for £25 or so per ticket. I was surprised as to how good our seats were considering the price and last minute purchase.

 

 

WOW ! I paid for mine 67£ ! And sat  somewhere up near the roof.   The kart race lie and the cold killed it for me, wont be back again. But the way , how could these lunatics could race in karts in the morning ? https://scontent-lhr...=56B30842     

 

Edited by Tzaca, 22 November 2015 - 19:27.

[josepatches]

That Vettel seems to know how to drive

[apoka]

Just watched it and enjoyed the races! I think the format was quite entertaining (especially since I could fast forward when there was no show/race on  ).

 

And as Vettel himself said more or less directly, not having to stay out too long as team Germany was only 2nd the day before may have helped him. 

[ViMaMo]

Vettel     

[Racer3]

Statistics...

[...]

Whichever car Vettel had to drive today (only these 3: X-Bow, Radical, ROC Buggy) - he always has set the best time.

 

 

And here are the most succesfull drivers of this year's ROC:

 

Driver       wins losses (ROC only)

Vettel         8    1  89%

Kristensen     6    2  75%

Coulthard      5    2  71%

Buncombe       6    3  67%

Priaulx        5    3  63%

Hülkenberg     2    2  50%

Massa          2    2  50%

Plato          2    2  50%

Hunter-Reay    2    2  50%

Philpot        2    2  50%

Wehrlein       1    2  33%

All other participants: 0%

 

Driver       wins losses (ROC + Nations cup combined)

Vettel        10    2  83%

Priaulx       12    3  80%

Kristensen     8    3  73%

Buncombe       7    4  64%

Coulthard      5    3  63%

Hülkenberg     5    3  63%

Wehrlein       3    3  50%

Hunter-Reay    3    3  50%

Philpot        2    2  50%

Massa          2    3  40%

Button         2    3  40%

Plato          3    5  38%

Grosjean       1    3  25%

Palmer         1    4  20%

All other participants: 0%

 

Thanks a lot for posting these statistics!

 

Why doesn't Danny Ricciardo show up there, didn't he win a single race? (

All other participants: 0%)?

I couldn't follow the races live, only watched several youtube vids today, but none with RIC as contestant.

 

Thanks, Racer3

[Jonnycraig37]

Thanks a lot for posting these statistics!

Why doesn't Danny Ricciardo show up there, didn't he win a single race? (
All other participants: 0%)?
I couldn't follow the races live, only watched several youtube vids today, but none with RIC as contestant.

Thanks, Racer3

Smashed by Vettel in the Nations Cup, and obliterated by Hulkenberg in the Drivers Cup.

3 races, 3 defeats.

[Racer3]

Thanks Jonnycraig37

I must admit I am a surprised, will check if I can find the vids.

[Jonnycraig37]

Thanks Jonnycraig37
I must admit I am a surprised, will check if I can find the vids.

Lost to Vettel by 0.5sec, and lost to Hulkenberg by 0.5sec and 1.1sec.

Edited by Jonnycraig37, 23 November 2015 - 11:50.

[Racer3]

Wow, would you happen to know what kind of cars he was racing when losing?

[Jonnycraig37]

Wow, would you happen to know what kind of cars he was racing when losing?

Merc AMG vs Hulkenberg, KTM X-Bow vs Vettel.

[Racer3]

Thanks

[TurnOffTheLights]

Ricciardo was pretty unlucky. His first race against Vettel was pretty close (I think, after the 1st of the 2 laps Ricciardo was in front) and you could see, Vettel was MEGA motivated to beat him.

Hülkenberg had already driven the AMG twice on Friday, Ricciardo never, so Hulk definitely had a little advantage before their 2 races on Saturday.

 

For the Ricciardo-fans:

As mentioned before in this thread on Friday evening after the Nations Cup there has been a "secret" bonus race. David Coulthard in a Caterham vs. Danny Ricciardo in a Zenos E10S. Just watch for yourself:

[MikeTekRacing]

This makes me nostalgic

 

 

http://i.eurosport.c...574-640-360.jpg

[Racer3]

Thanks for posting the vid, TurnOffTheLights!

Pity there are so few spectators. The announcer did his best.

[KWSN - DSM]

Did not see it, is not what it used to be the usual commercialization of everything. It is noteworthy though, how Tom Kristensen have featured strongly last 4 times, I would SO MUCH have liked to see what he could have done in F1.

 

[Peat]

Regarding the cancellation of the karting 'safety reasons' - They ran a kart race in the morning, presumably without the tech-pro barriers, so why the problem?

My guess would be either A)They over ran the schedule or B) The kart race was never part of the deal and when it was announced in the week, the driver's insurers threw a sh**fit. 

[Jonnycraig37]

Probably overran due to the spontaneous demands for forced adulation to be thrown at the retiring pioneer Wolff.

[PoleSitter85]

They cancel the Karting for safety reasons yet they let loose Joey Essex and Sir Ben Ainslie with Ariel Atom's.....

[plumtree]

This makes me nostalgic

 

 

http://i.eurosport.c...574-640-360.jpg

(Autosport report from 2012) Speaking after the victory, Schumacher vowed to return in 2013 in search of a record-extending seventh crown.

"For sure, we're going to be here, that's a must," said Schumacher. "Actually, my lucky number is seven so we are going to push hard!"

 

I remember the interview vividly, couldn't help but keep thinking about it since the Vettel return announcement was made. And to think the ski trip might have happened in a different weekend, if ROC hadn't canceled that year... *sigh* Keep fighting, Michael.

[Haribo]

I didn't realise that there was a thread about this. I went on Saturday. I wasn't going to go, but got a last minute ticket for £30 which was about 5 rows from the front, so I had a very good view. But it was cold. So, so cold. I missed the quarter finals as I had to go and get a coffee as I couldn't feel my feet anymore!

 

I must admit I didn't realise there was supposed to be a kart race, so that didn't sway me one way or another. It was great to see a good variety of cars. The Euro Nascars sounded like absolute beasts, but the track was too compact for them really, which is probably why Wehrlein stacked one The Mercedes F1 2013 sounded amazing too, and the AMG Mercs did have an awesome growl when someone floored them.

 

Would I go again? Not sure. I wouldn't have paid more than about £35. OK the weather can't be helped, but I felt that throughout the event there were a few niggling problems. A few of the cars were faulty, which made the final a bit of an anti-climax. Some spectators had to complain that the bus that brought the drivers in was blocking their view for a while before they eventually moved it. And I know that they have to fill in time whilst cars and drivers are swapped etc. but if someone could handcuff Terry Grant to a seat for a while, that would be great. I felt for the cheerleaders. I can't imagine having to hang around out there in freezing temperatures!

[Rinehart]

Belated report... took my 3 little boys with me on the Saturday - they had a great time and no boredom which is always a good sign. Wrapped them up in their ski clobber so no complaints about the cold either! 

Me, well, I'd only heard about the karting rumour on here and I'd already bought the tickets by then so not a particular disappointment if I'm honest.

But I do have some complaints about the day... Firstly, considering I live in North London, I think it would have been more convenient if it had been held in Glasgow, seriously, is there a more difficult place to get to than the Olympic Park?! Also, organisation was a bit iffy, the first race was messed up by Hunter Rey not going the correct way to line up for the 2nd heat and then in that race they threw the chequered flag a lap early. Not a great start, but then after all that shenanigans it settled down and the action was ok, but it's all a bit slow looking - unfortunately given the track layout.

 

All in all it was a decent day out for the kids, it was quite show-bizy like a top gear show or something. I personally much prefer the classier Goodwood FOS for my unconventional motorsport fix...