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[MastaKink]

Was there a reason behind Perez having a bit of a nightmare race or just an off day?.

[Cloxxki]

And he had been following more than leading.

[Seanspeed]

Was there a reason behind Perez having a bit of a nightmare race or just an off day?.

Perez does this all the time. He's had a good season, but his norm is having two or three great races(often by gambling on alternate strategies) a year and being totally inconsistent/erratic for the rest of it.

Edited by Seanspeed, 16 November 2015 - 19:02.

[Marklar]

Perez does this all the time. He's had a good season, but his norm is having two or three great races(often by gambling on alternate strategies) a year and being totally inconsistent/erratic for the rest of it.

If that is a inconsistent/erratic season than dont try to define his team mates season....

 

This season its more the other way around: he has 2-3 bad races, the other ones are consistently good/ok.

[Seanspeed]

If that is a inconsistent/erratic season than dont try to define his team mates season....
 
This season its more the other way around: he has 2-3 bad races, the other ones are consistently good/ok.

Like I said, Perez has had a good season. But this isn't his norm. He's been consistently erratic ever since his rookie season. And he rarely does well when on a straight strategy.

And Hulkenberg has been quite the opposite. Very consistent normally, never gambling on alternate strategies, stays out of trouble, but this 2nd half of the season he's been very out of character with his crashes and sometimes lack of pace.

This is why I still rate Hulkenberg more than Perez. He does his races straight, like a top team would require. And he's usually very consistent when it comes to that. Perez had his shot in a top team and was immediately rejected. Hulkenberg has not been given that opportunity yet and I think it's a crying shame.

[Risil]

On that basis Perez could win an Indycar championship driving for Dale Coyne. Actually that's a great idea.

Edited by Risil, 16 November 2015 - 19:19.

[MasterOfCoin]

One the lap before Verstappen pulled off his spectacular first pass, he lagged far behind coming down the front straight. That is because on that lap he gave up a bit of time to harvest the maximum energy because he knew he was going to give it a go on the next lap. Racecraft, planning, more smarts than most give the kid credit for.

 

So when did we see Hamilton back out a bit before he attempted a pass? He didn't, because this famously hard charger never manufactured a pass, he just didn't make the proper preparations. Back out, get the tires cool enough, make the brakes happy. Get the maximum amount of stored energy, then make a great drive off that last corner in order to be closer enough. But if a driver takes a shallow approach to a corner and is a very late and hard braker, he just won't have the optimum line to get that good drive out of the corner.

 

OK, it's a recognized fact that the Mercedes is absolutely horrible when following cars compared to it's performance in free air.  But it isn't bad enough that a smart driver cannot manufacture a pass, he just has to have his head screwed on and plan properly. If he just drives on "instinct" and does not plan ahead, he may at times create exciting passes, but he is not manufacturing a pass, he is just taking advantage of a situation. For Verstappen, he set up his pass two laps before he actually arrived at turn one going around the outside of Perez.

 

Aside from a lack of planning, Hamilton leaned on a team that was not going to bend over for him. They have a philosophy concerning how their drivers run, and at Brazil Hamilton got the short end of the stick. But since this time it was Hamilton falling on the sour end of any benefits, the race was boring and all of a sudden the cars need to be fixed. When the tables were turned, (most of the season so far) it was Hamilton up front and Rosberg biting the sour apple, the race was spectacular and Hamilton was the master of the race.

 

It all changes depending on who you root for. Perception.

Both drivers were harvesting and deploying about the same amount, different cars. different aero.

[Seanspeed]

On that basis Perez could win an Indycar championship driving for Dale Coyne. Actually that's a great idea.

Absolutely. He's much better fit for a series where having to drive a good race from start to finish on a straight strategy doesn't matter much.

Edited by Seanspeed, 16 November 2015 - 19:52.

[ANF]

Since there were some comments about there being no overtaking, I've put together the Complete Overtaking Data. Well, it's almost complete. FOM never showed Stevens overtaking Rossi, so I don't know where that happened, and I've excluded the opening lap before T6. Enjoy!

LAP  Driver      Compound:Laps since last pit stop

L01  Pérez       S: 0    ON    Verstappen  S: 0    AT    T15
L02  Ricciardo   S: 1    ON    Button      S: 1    AT    T1
L02  Ericsson    S: 1    ON    Rossi       S: 1    AT    T1
L04  Grosjean    S: 3    ON    Nasr        S: 3    AT    Main straight
L05  Alonso      S: 4    ON    Maldonado   M: 4    AT    T1
L09  Ricciardo   M: 5    ON    Stevens     S: 8    AT    Main straight
L10  Ricciardo   M: 6    ON    Rossi       S: 9    AT    Main straight
L14  Bottas      M: 2    ON    Maldonado   M:13    AT    T1
L18  Hülkenberg  M: 8    ON    Maldonado   M:17    AT    Main straight
L22  Kvyat       M:11    ON    Maldonado   M:21    AT    T1
L22  Massa       M:11    ON    Maldonado   M:21    AT    T4, inside
L23  Nasr        M: 8    ON    Button      M:10    AT    T1
L29  Ericsson    M:16    ON    Alonso      M:15    AT    T1
L29  Maldonado   S: 3    ON    Alonso      M:15    AT    Main straight
L32  Verstappen  M:20    ON    Pérez       M:21    AT    T2 (T1, outside)
L32  Grosjean    M:21    ON    Pérez       M:21    AT    T3, outside
L33  Stevens     M:17    ON    Rossi       M:18    AT    ???
L37  Grosjean    M: 1    ON    Pérez       M: 3    AT    T1
L37  Maldonado   S:11    ON    Nasr        M:22    AT    Main straight
L39  Vettel      S: 6    ON    Räikkönen   M:26    AT    Between T5 and T6 (let through)
L40  Grosjean    M:14    ON    Verstappen  M: 5    AT    T1
L42  Kvyat       M: 2    ON    Maldonado   S:16    AT    T1
L44  Massa       M: 5    ON    Maldonado   S:18    AT    T4, inside
L48  Ricciardo   M:19    ON    Pérez       M:14    AT    T1
L56  Maldonado   M:11    ON    Nasr        M:16    AT    T1
L56  Grosjean    S: 1    ON    Nasr        M:16    AT    Main straight
L58  Verstappen  S: 4    ON    Nasr        M:18    AT    T2 (T1, outside)
L58  Grosjean    S: 3    ON    Maldonado   M:13    AT    T4, outside
L59  Pérez       S: 7    ON    Nasr        M:19    AT    Main straight
L60  Ricciardo   S: 7    ON    Nasr        M:20    AT    T4, outside
L66  Ricciardo   S:13    ON    Pérez       S:14    AT    T2 (T1, outside)
L67  Verstappen  S:13    ON    Maldonado   M:22    AT    T1

[Marklar]

Just for reference: 32 overtakes is pretty much the average of the season. Same number like in Mexico and Sotschi for example.

[Myrvold]

31 in Sochi though, the average for the season is 31,17, or 30,13 in dry races only. So Interlagos was over the average for 2015. But by far the lowest since DRS was introduced.

[highdownforce]

This is probably no the best thread for this...

The Brazilian race promoter says that we could lose the Interlagos round as soon as 2016. The event is operating are loss of BRL 100 millions per year basis.
The race is kept alive thanks to the local broadcaster and FOM, both are injecting money to pay for the deficit.
Main reasons for this are the increase in the costs to hold a GP and lack of interest from investors in sponsoring it.

Link in pt-BR:
http://grandepremio....ecer-ja-em-2016