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#1 oetzi

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:22

Marketing cars is a key part of the reason for F1's existence.

 

Almost every car, almost every day is driven in accordance with a mandated speed limit (yeah, I know, but play along).

 

Lots of things (including road cars) can go faster in a straight line than an F1 car, so straightline speed isn't key to F1's prestige.

 

So, why not mandate a speed limit for F1 cars?

 

It would be easy to do simply by controlling gear ratios.

 

It would focus more on the usable aspects of the technology (acceleration, grip, handling, braking)

 

It would cut costs (so long as there is a powerful, affordable engine, of course :)) as aero wouldn't be so (so) important - the incremental benefits would be reduced, and other aspects (or just paying better drivers) might prove more beneficial.

 

So it could (possibly :)) solve a lot of problems around cost, relevance, driver input, safety. TV ratings. jobs for the boys and circuit mutilation.

 

I'm sure it's a daft idea, but in the context of this engine nonsense, it kind of makes sense to me (after a long, long lunch).

 

Feel free to disagree :)


Edited by oetzi, 16 November 2015 - 23:23.


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#2 Marklar

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:35

Your lunch was definitely too long...

#3 EvilPhil II

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:36

Jesus Christ, remove this before Bernie sees it. 



#4 Risil

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:45

Very funny.



#5 oetzi

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:46

Jesus Christ, remove this before Bernie sees it. 

Not chasing those last few clicks would save loads of fuel - Jean would be happy too!



#6 oetzi

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:46

Very funny.

I mean it :)



#7 Marklar

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:52

No worries, Ive already made a screenshot ;)

#8 oetzi

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 23:56

If you got a press gag on it, nobody further from F1 than the people on this board (and some unfortunate friends, acquaintances, people at the bar, old ladies on the bus or whatever) would even know - I defy anyone to tell me how fast a car's going from the TV feed, and nobody apart from us lot goes to more than 1 GP (it's not enough fun, is it?).

 

I'm slapping rights on this now, and €10m p.a. for the life of the use of the speed limit idea - I'll negotiate down to half if it's signed for a minimum 5 years by the end of this week - just like that.

 

Bernie, get it while it's hot :)



#9 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 00:10

You could even have some form of unlimited overdrive gear that was activated by aero sensors to facilitate slipstreaming  :clap:



#10 Wuzak

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 02:06

He's going for the pass.... oh no, they've both hit the speed limiter.



#11 HeadFirst

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 02:12

There already a speed limiting device employed by F1 ........ it is called a CORNER.



#12 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 02:17

He's going for the pass.... oh no, they've both hit the speed limiter.

That's what the aero overdrive is for.

 

I think we'll call it AeroDynamicHyperDrive :)



#13 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 02:18

There already a speed limiting device employed by F1 ........ it is called a CORNER.

There's plenty of others too - what harm one more?



#14 warp

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 02:38

Not chasing those last few clicks would save loads of fuel - Jean would be happy too!

 

Yes!!!!

 

And to make it even more road-relevant, let's make them have closed cockpits, covered wheels, headlights, tail-lights, indicators, at least two seats and a spare tyre!!

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah! :clap:  :clap:  



#15 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 05:21

It would cause too much damage to Formula One. As long as the quoted top speed of today's Formula One cars is vague, the sport can be marketed as "fast".

 

But if you were to pin the tail on the donkey and arrive at a specific number, whoever can beat that top speed can claim to be better than Formula One. Honda comes out with a superbike, it's faster than Formula One. Indycars are faster than Formula One. NASCAR sedans are faster than Formula One, my monkey in freefall is faster than Formula One.

 

So where would that leave Formula One but automatically relegated as a second-tier form of racing because lots of other cars and series are faster than Formula One. (in the eyes of some people and PR types)

 

Leave it vague, leave it open-ended, do not paint the sport into a corner and give Bernie a stroke.



#16 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 08:36

I agree. A F1 car should at least reach 370kph on the Monza main straight.



#17 JeePee

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 08:40

Speed limits simply not belong on a racing track.

 

I'm also very happy the Nurburgring ditches the 200 km/h limits on certain parts of the track next year. Not that my car can reach it on those points... but it's just wrong to speed limit a circuit.

 

Also overtaking would be zero.



#18 kraduk

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 08:43

 

 and give Bernie a stroke.

 

Now there's an idea....  :p



#19 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 09:34

I just have 1 question, which is this.......if you came up with this idea after a long long lunch, what did you have for lunch? Because with all due respect, unless you had a few pints for your lunch, then I can't work out why you'd come up with such a stupid idea. No offence but you'd have been better off keeping this idea in your head, rather than putting it on here.



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#20 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 09:48

It would cause too much damage to Formula One. As long as the quoted top speed of today's Formula One cars is vague, the sport can be marketed as "fast".

But if you were to pin the tail on the donkey and arrive at a specific number, whoever can beat that top speed can claim to be better than Formula One. Honda comes out with a superbike, it's faster than Formula One. Indycars are faster than Formula One. NASCAR sedans are faster than Formula One, my monkey in freefall is faster than Formula One.

So where would that leave Formula One but automatically relegated as a second-tier form of racing because lots of other cars and series are faster than Formula One. (in the eyes of some people and PR types)

But everyone knows being fast is no longer about top speed, or even power.

It's about torque. Ask TurboDiesel Man.

If you can drag him away from classactioncalculator.com.

Leave it vague, leave it open-ended, do not paint the sport into a corner and give Bernie a stroke.

Here, Bernie. There's a good boy!

#21 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 09:49

Speed limits simply not belong on a racing track.

I'm also very happy the Nurburgring ditches the 200 km/h limits on certain parts of the track next year. Not that my car can reach it on those points... but it's just wrong to speed limit a circuit.

Also overtaking would be zero.

We've got ADHD for that. Keep up :)

#22 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 09:51

Yes!!!!

And to make it even more road-relevant, let's make them have closed cockpits, covered wheels, headlights, tail-lights, indicators, at least two seats and a spare tyre!!

Yeah, yeah, yeah! :clap: :clap:

Now you're just being silly.

#23 superden

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 10:40

New F1, electronically limited to 155mph.

Ooooh, exciting!

#24 saudoso

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 10:45

Now THIS is the opener of the yer, PERIOD.



#25 Kristian

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:14

Good lord, the speed trap figures are one of the few things that excite me now. We need MORE speed. 



#26 noikeee

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:19

This would be "great" for overtaking. Remember a couple years ago when every engine hit the rev limiter midway through the straights?
 
Yeah, no thanks.


#27 Ali_G

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:22

This is a brilliant idea. Every second poster on here lauds F1 for its road relevance.

Surely this along with voice activated sat nav is the way forward for F1?

#28 thegamer23

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:24

no



#29 king_crud

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 11:43

It's called Formula E



#30 Ali_G

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 17:39

It's called Formula E


Does Formula E come with Bluetooth, electronic hand brake and adaptive LED headlights? I think not.

#31 ATM

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 17:47

Well, anyhow, the idea is interesting in its own way. Come on, it raised my eyebrows more than the sprinklers plan :)

I think we also forgot about blinkers, which is a paramount part of road safety.


Edited by ATM, 17 November 2015 - 17:47.


#32 pdac

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 17:51

It could be applied tomorrow without affecting things at all. Simply set the speed limit above what any of the cars is capable of (or will ever be capable of) and you're done. Let's say 1000kph for now.


Edited by pdac, 17 November 2015 - 17:52.


#33 BRG

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 17:53

Not actually a new idea.  Truck racing is limited to 100mph I believe.  And somehow they still manage to race and overtake.  Mind you, there is zero aero in truck racing so maybe there's the real point.



#34 paulogman

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 17:56

Oh good lord, thank goodness the off season will be short...

These topics are brutal

#35 pdac

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 21:35

Oh good lord, thank goodness the off season will be short...

These topics are brutal

 

The off season's not even started yet.



#36 Bob Riebe

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 23:16

Bernie can just call the NHRA and learn how their bracket racing classes work, brilliant!



#37 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 23:24

I've just realised we could have lanes on the straights (thanks to ATM for suggesting blinkers) - this would solve the problem of weaving, and (using sensors or GPS or whatever is best) allow the ADHD to keep working once you've pulled out of the slipstream. After indicating, of course.

In due course, this focus on responsible yet rapid progress might allow F1 to aid in driver education to further the FIA's road safety work, rather than just being used a PR tool :)

#38 senna da silva

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 23:28

It works in the pits.



#39 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 23:31

Good point!

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#40 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 23:48

Not actually a new idea. Truck racing is limited to 100mph I believe.

That's probably a bit too slow.

#41 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2015 - 23:49

Bernie can just call the NHRA and learn how their bracket racing classes work, brilliant!

How do they work?

#42 paulogman

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 00:29

The off season's not even started yet.


Exactly my point!
And only one pre season test top crown the winter champion!

AMC then right down to business, phew lol

#43 paulogman

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 00:30

The off season's not even started yet.

Exactly my point!
And only one pre season test to crown the winter champion!

And then right down to business, phew lol

Edited by paulogman, 18 November 2015 - 00:54.