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[ThursdayCar]

Soooo... I have seen plenty of images of Lothar Motschenbacher in McLarens, but I am not sure I have seen him in a car of this spec - specifically with number 11 in this font in black,  and with the brake cooling hoses out of the nose and this specific rear deck over the engine, with oil cooler where it is... anyone, anyone?

 

 

More shots (Nice slot car to be fair):

http://www.werkshome...en_M1B_Nr11.htm

 

 

 

 

[D28]

http://www.racingspo...a&wi=&mode=Null

 

This is similar at least. The number 11 checks out (traditional) and the colour which surprises, as most of the cars I saw him race were red.

Mt Tremblant 1966.

Edited by D28, 18 November 2015 - 15:27.

[ThursdayCar]

Hi D28 - he raced silver M1B's with a black #11, a grey #11, a red #11 and a red #27... I have just never seen that font #11 in black and those hoses and rear body work in a photo.

[E1pix]

OT, but keep in mind numbers weren't using 'fonts' then, just whatever a sign painter had in mind.

For modeling, you would use whatever actual font was close to the original, is that right?

Edited by E1pix, 18 November 2015 - 17:20.

[DogEarred]

Do we know if his Christian name was pronounced with a hard 't' or a soft one, as in 'the'?

 

I used to read the CanAm reports in the British/English/United Kingdom of Britain & Ireland printed press & often wondered. I never heard his name spoken.

[D28]

Do we know if his Christian name was pronounced with a hard 't' or a soft one, as in 'the'?

 

I used to read the CanAm reports in the British/English/United Kingdom of Britain & Ireland printed press & often wondered. I never heard his name spoken.

In my memory a soft  t like Luther. But I never heard him interviewed, or know which he preferred.

[Doug Nye]

I don't think he had a choice in the matter.  From memory Pete Lyons spoke of him as Lothar with a soft 'th' - and Americans consistently scramble pronunciation in any case - e.g. Carlohss Roodermaaaahn for Carlos Reutemann and (just heard this moment on the radio news) "the innernational communidee"...and that from a high-grade US diplomat.  

 

Come to that my 'i' sound is always close to 'oy' - but then I'm proud of my Surrey/Hampshire border rural background so everyone to their own...  

 

Better that than we are all forced into some dreadful received-English straitjacket.

 

I have long been intrigued by spoken accent and local patois.  Carlo Chiti and Franco Cortese were both described to me as having broad Tuscan Italian accents - which seems to have been pretty much the equivalent of Zummerzet or Glahzzster in English - Hermann Lang spoke broad Swabian which I've been told is about on a par with Birmingham/Coventry/Wolverhampton in English - while Jean Behra's voice apparently had a Provencal lilt which he told Tony Rudd of BRM was very close to Tony's own Franglais accent, and that would have been a mix of a fine education-modified-by-years-in-Derby...

 

DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 18 November 2015 - 22:43.

[E1pix]

"Low-thar" is how us 'mericans always said it.

[D28]

So what would be the proper German pronunciation?  Lothar was born in Germany, but has lived in the US since 1958. Would like to hear from him the proper form.

 

I suspect this is something like Ludwig, in N America the W is pronounced like a W not a V as it would be in Germany. Speech patterns or dialect do affect names, and proper pronunciation whatever it may be, is very hard to maintain in a different country..

[ThursdayCar]

Hold on! I can't keep up with you guys!

 

Pronounciation is low-tar, like the cigarettes.

The T is a T (in German)! Trust me! I went to university with a fair number of Germans!

Also, it would be Lood-weeg.

 

Having got that out of the way...

 

 

OT, but keep in mind numbers weren't using 'fonts' then, just whatever a sign painter had in mind.
For modeling, you would use whatever actual font was close to the original, is that right?

 

Fair point - however, I do believe sign painters learn and apply certain font styles and will often paint something that approximates an 'official' font.

For model making, I either redraw the numbers from scratch on my computer or trace them from images, or, as you say I find closely matched fonts which I then customise to match what I need.

It's all about the fidelity... if you didn't already know from my many, many trivial questions on this forum!   

[Felix]

Law-tar in German, but my US friends who has spoken about him pronounce it Low-thar as per E1pix.

[DogEarred]

Looks like I've opened a can of worms!

 

... or verms, as pronounced in German.....

 

[E1pix]

Fair point - however, I do believe sign painters learn and apply certain font styles and will often paint something that approximates an 'official' font.

For model making, I either redraw the numbers from scratch on my computer or trace them from images, or, as you say I find closely matched fonts which I then customise to match what I need.

It's all about the fidelity... if you didn't already know from my many, many trivial questions on this forum! 

Some long-term, maybe — the lowballers more than the good ones, though — and yes for most in their early learning days.

 

I hand-lettered over 500 race cars from the mid-'70s to about 1991, and almost never copied a known font. They weren't racy enough, and weren't original. No sex appeal, either (not that I was looking for that  ).

[E1pix]

Looks like I've opened a can of worms!

 

... or verms, as pronounced in German.....

 

Your avatar looks excited by your opening. 

[DogEarred]

.... and shall we start on his surname now?....

 

 

 

Seems from D28's post that he is still with us, happily!

[ThursdayCar]

I stand corrected!

 

For most numbers I've had to source in the past few months however - and we are talking at least 30-40 different ones - I have been lucky enough to find very close matches that, with a bit of tinkering were a perfect match.

 

Happy days!

[DogEarred]

Your avatar looks excited by your opening. 

 

That's not my avatar. That's my photo.

[E1pix]

Surely the Missus thinks you look good.

[DogEarred]

She thinks I'm a pussycat...

[E1pix]

Don't mess that up, then. 

[ThursdayCar]

I may have to close this thread!

[Manfred Cubenoggin]

There could be no better source authority on the correct pronunciation of 'Lothar Motschenbacher' and countless other details than our very own Jerry Entin. Jerry?

[wolf sun]

So what would be the proper German pronunciation?  Lothar was born in Germany, but has lived in the US since 1958. Would like to hear from him the proper form.

 

I suspect this is something like Ludwig, in N America the W is pronounced like a W not a V as it would be in Germany. Speech patterns or dialect do affect names, and proper pronunciation whatever it may be, is very hard to maintain in a different country...

 

Lothar: Lo-tah, with the "o" pronounced like the Scottish would.

 

Ludwig: Lood-vigg.

 

Naturally, this doesn't account for local dialects and accents.

[wolf sun]

Footnote:

 

For some Lothar Motschenbacher in action, coupled with a heavy dose of 1970s tackiness, you ought to watch the opening sequence of "Stacey", if you haven't already...

[E1pix]

.... and shall we start on his surname now?....
 
 Seems from D28's post that he is still with us, happily!

Mah-chen-bah-ker, again as per in the U.S. Wolf?

Yes, alive and well, and still in California I believe -- where it's going to be, Sorry, 84 here today...

[DogEarred]

I'm pretty sure a German, und die meisten Englander, would pronounce it 'Mot-shen-backer'. Mot as in 'Mott the Hoople'.

 

Good news from California that he's ok.

 

84 today?  84 seems to be the daily rainfall figure, in inches, in England today...

 

Please enjoy it while you can.

[E1pix]

Lothar always struck me as a deeply-thoughtful guy, though I was just a kid. I probably got his autograph ten times over eight years, he always had a look on his face like "Hmmm, you sure look familiar."

Here's a three-minute gift to dry your day:
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=N-aK6JnyFmk

[wolf sun]

Mah-chen-bah-ker, again as per in the U.S. Wolf?

Yes, alive and well, and still in California I believe -- where it's going to be, Sorry, 84 here today...

 

 

I'm pretty sure a German, und die meisten Englander, would pronounce it 'Mot-shen-backer'. Mot as in 'Mott the Hoople'.

 

Good news from California that he's ok.

 

84 today?  84 seems to be the daily rainfall figure, in inches, in England today...

 

Please enjoy it while you can.

 

DogEarred is spot-on here, except for the -backer bit. The 'ch' in Lothar's name loosely resembles the Scottish (again!) pronunciation of Loch. 

[DogEarred]

Quite right! As you can tell, I'm a bit sloppy sometimes...

[E1pix]

Ma-chen and Mot-shen = Ta-mayto, Tah-motto (as properly inspired by red cars). 

 

I'd like to think the Big M is having a good chuckle at us right now...

[DogEarred]

Here's a three-minute gift to dry your day:
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=N-aK6JnyFmk

 

 

Thank you Eric - a great song - followed by the even greater 'House of the Rising Sun'!

[E1pix]

 

[DogEarred]

....and even more great songs following that! I'm still listening & watching...

[Jerry Entin]

Lothar and Olivia Motschenbacher at the recent CanAm Reunion at the NHRA Museum in Pomona

Alwin Springer and his wife with them.

 

As they say here it is from the Horses mouth:

For all those interested, my name is pronounced Low tar.

 

 

Lothar Motschenbacher

Edited by Jerry Entin, 21 November 2015 - 15:14.

[ThursdayCar]

Ooooh, have I won anything!

[D28]

 

As they say here it is from the Horses mouth:

For all those interested, my name is pronounced Low tar.

 

 

Lothar Motschenbacher

 

Thanks a lot. Lothar looks in great shape maybe ready to suit up again.

I wonder how often he hears his name pronounced correctly probably not too much.