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[DarthWillie]

Brilliant comment from a driver who lucked into one championship and could not repeat that until he landed the most dominant car with a mediocre teammate

[bub]

I like that he just speaks his mind and doesn't worry too much about the fact that certain people will twist his words. I would do the same in his position.

 

I see nothing wrong with what he has said here. He doesn't say Vettel isn't good/great. Just that it is hard to measure, which is true.

Edited by bub, 19 November 2015 - 19:27.

[1Devil1]

I think that's unfair, although Lewis has the measure of Nico, he really has to be at the top of his game to beat him.

 

Maybe HAM not capable of dominating a Webber-like driver like Rosberg. I think it's quit unfair to call Mark Webber slow, angry and speak about Rosberg as he is the second best driver in the world. Both good drivers on their days, but not capable of winning a WDC. 

[sennafan24]

Brilliant comment from a driver who lucked into one championship and could not repeat that until he landed the most dominant car with a mediocre teammate

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What a balanced and reasonable response. 

[RaySpace]

I watch this sport to enjoy myself and puzzle over hypotheticals. We make comments like Lewis' all day on here for the same reason. 

 

I love when drivers get a bit WWE about stuff, and even more when it's from the heart . Respect to Big Lew' for winning the championship and dropping truth bombs on sacred cows for free 

 

The rest of you moaners can keep your tepid PR statements, "for sure". 

Edited by RaySpace, 19 November 2015 - 19:33.

[Hamandeggs]

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Brilliant comment from a driver who lucked into one championship and could not repeat that until he landed the most dominant car with a mediocre teammate

2008 after 2007. 2007 would have been legendary but he lucked out.

[sennafan24]

I love when drivers get a bit WWE about stuff, 

This thread is getting a bit WWE. 

 

With that being said - Seb's fans are all vanilla midgets 

[Marklar]

This thread is getting a bit WWE.

With that being said - Seb's fans are all vanilla midgets

Recommendation from me to all Seb fans: dont google it!

Edited by Marklar, 19 November 2015 - 19:53.

[F1Champion]

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What a balanced and reasonable response. 

 

Well Hamilton was pretty absent from 09 onwards until his move to Mercedes. I mean 2008 could have gone either way given that it was decided on the final corner of the final race plus Massa had a engine blowup in Hungary with 2 laps to go and Singapore crashgate when he was leading(?) - take that away (I know what you're thinking) and Massa would have walked it really, he was very lucky really (much like Vettel against Alonso). I honestly think Massa performed better over the season. I only remember one year after 2008 that he was driving really well and I think that was in 2010 or 2013 - I think he was with the top 2 for a lot of the season if it weren't for reliability.

 

The rest of the seasons he had major ups and downs and car crashes/mistakes. Put him in a car head and shoulders better than the rest and he is separate from the other battling drivers - throw him back into the mix and you're guaranteed fireworks. He has only matured lately - Vettel in my opinion matured a whole lot earlier.

[Spillage]

I think he's quite fair, to be honest. I also think Vettel's one of the best drivers on the grid, but we'll never quite be sure because we're never quite sure how good anyone is. Such is the root of my endless fascination with F1.

[Myrvold]

I think he's quite fair, to be honest. I also think Vettel's one of the best drivers on the grid, but we'll never quite be sure because we're never quite sure how good anyone is. Such is the root of my endless fascination with F1.

And Hamilton is at the top because... Button managed to beat him?

[bub]

And Hamilton is at the top because... Button managed to beat him?

 

What does this post mean and what has it got to do with the post you quoted?

[sennafan24]

Well Hamilton was pretty absent from 09 onwards until his move to Mercedes. I mean 2008 could have gone either way given that it was decided on the final corner of the final race plus Massa had a engine blowup in Hungary with 2 laps to go and Singapore crashgate when he was leading(?) - take that away (I know what you're thinking) and Massa would have walked it really, he was very lucky really (much like Vettel against Alonso). I honestly think Massa performed better over the season. I only remember one year after 2008 that he was driving really well and I think that was in 2010 or 2013 - I think he was with the top 2 for a lot of the season if it weren't for reliability.

In general, Lewis drove well every season other than 2011 (although 2013 was a bit iffy). Massa better over the season? I disagree, the Ferrari was the better car overall. Yes, Lewis made errors, but he also made the difference overall. 

 

Oh, and I doubt you know verbatim what I am thinking. 

 

 

And Hamilton is at the top because... Button managed to beat him?

He beat him once (2011). Lewis beat Jenson twice (2010 and 2012). The overall points score was distorted due to 2012. Simple!

 

Plus, you missed what the poster you responded to was saying. Just seemed like you wanted to take a potshot at Lewis.

[Lights]

Well Hamilton was pretty absent from 09 onwards until his move to Mercedes.

 

What a balanced and reasonable response. 

[Nathan]

It's good he talks the way he does, the variety of character is nice, and frankly I think his statements are correct.

 

Shame people can't be honest due to their job and success...

[Knot]

Ham needs to shut up.

 

He got beat by Button at McLaren, and only had to beat ONE person for his last titles.

 

He'll learn that being gifted titles doesn't make him a champion.

[Marklar]

Ham needs to shut up.

He got beat by Button at McLaren, and only had to beat ONE person for his last titles.

He'll learn that being gifted titles doesn't make him a champion.

What a balanced and reasonable response.

[DrF]

...says the guy who has never driven a mid-field car

[Marklar]

...says the guy who has never driven a mid-field car

I've heared this kind of comment now several times. What has this actually to do with his comments?

Edited by Marklar, 19 November 2015 - 21:02.

[sennafan24]

...says the guy who has never driven a mid-field car

You missed the first half of 2009 then?

[Samhain]

Well Hamilton was pretty absent from 09 onwards until his move to Mercedes. I mean 2008 could have gone either way given that it was decided on the final corner of the final race plus Massa had a engine blowup in Hungary with 2 laps to go and Singapore crashgate when he was leading(?) - take that away (I know what you're thinking) and Massa would have walked it really, he was very lucky really (much like Vettel against Alonso). I honestly think Massa performed better over the season. I only remember one year after 2008 that he was driving really well and I think that was in 2010 or 2013 - I think he was with the top 2 for a lot of the season if it weren't for reliability.

 

The rest of the seasons he had major ups and downs and car crashes/mistakes. Put him in a car head and shoulders better than the rest and he is separate from the other battling drivers - throw him back into the mix and you're guaranteed fireworks. He has only matured lately - Vettel in my opinion matured a whole lot earlier.

He was only absent in your head. In 09 he still managed 2 wins despite driving a dog of a car and only finished behind both Red Bulls and Brawn drivers which was the most he could hope for. In 2010, McLaren wasn't bad but it couldn't stay with the RedBull and Ferrari especially from Germany on wards.  Hamilton kept his titles hopes alive till the last race and finished only 16 points behind Vettel despite driving the 3rd best car. In 2011, Hamilton under-performed. There can be no argument to that. He had the same wins as Button but other than that he messed up. I think we shouldn't revisit 2012. We all know what happened that year. Hamilton lost countless of points through no fault of his own. Not even Senna or Schumacher would have made a difference that year because Mclaren were an absolute joke and beyond pathetic. In 2013, Mercedes wasn't top drawer - although it was quick at times especially over one lap but it didn't have sufficient "race pace" to be a title contender and also they struggled massively when it came to tyre management.

[Samhain]

Ham needs to shut up.

 

He got beat by Button at McLaren, and only had to beat ONE person for his last titles.

 

He'll learn that being gifted titles doesn't make him a champion.

It shows us that you are a complete idiot.

[Jonnycraig37]

You missed the first half of 2009 then?

Bit of a myth really. McLaren were competitive for the initial flyaways, but nowhere during the European season until Hungary, so 5 races where they were midfield also rans...

[MasterOfCoin]

He will not, even though he outscored Hamilton over the three years, basically ended JV's F1 career, and he haven't looked shabby at all compared to Alonso this year...

I never understood this stat, i thought the FIA only gave out points once a year per driver.

[Nathan]

 

He'll learn that being gifted titles doesn't make him a champion.

 

Mercedes is the cause of Ham beating Rosberg??

 

Or the gift of the car that came to life after he signed?

Edited by Nathan, 19 November 2015 - 21:27.

[Jonnycraig37]

I never understood this stat, i thought the FIA only gave out points once a year per driver.

In fairness, when Button went to McLaren the expectation was that Hamilton would destroy him, so whilst the 3 season point tally is a pointless stay, it's a fair representative of the time they spent as teammates.

[sennafan24]

Bit of a myth really. McLaren were competitive for the initial flyaways, but nowhere during the European season until Hungary, so 5 races where they were midfield also rans...

They started in the upper mid-field, then were mostly below average for the European rounds. Overall, it was a mid-tier car.  After German. which was the mid-point of the season, they were not in the top 5 of the Constructors standings.

 

I swear I recognise your username. 

 

 it's a fair representative of the time they spent as teammates.

 

Not really.

 

The points Lewis lost in 2012 distorts it. I think 2-1 is the most fair and reflective score. 

Edited by sennafan24, 19 November 2015 - 21:29.

[krea]

Mercedes is the cause of Ham beating Rosberg??

 

Or the gift of the car that came to life after he signed?

 

Hamilton the racecar engineer.

[igoru]

He is a clown

[Jonnycraig37]

They started in the upper mid-field, then were mostly below average for the European rounds. Overall, it was a mid-tier car. After German. which was the mid-point of the season, they were not in the top 5 of the Constructors standings.

I swear I recognise your username.

From Germany, only Vettel out scored Hamilton, and Hamilton got 4 pole positions to Vet, Alo, Rubens & Fisi's one, so saying it was a mid tier car is a bit disingenuous....

As to the username, I've posted on F1T for years.

Edited by Jonnycraig37, 19 November 2015 - 21:38.

[Darth Sidious]

Bit of a myth really. McLaren were competitive for the initial flyaways, but nowhere during the European season until Hungary, so 5 races where they were midfield also rans...

Australia - Kovi 14, Ham 15th

Malaysia - Ham 13, Kovi 14th

China - Kovi 12th, Ham 9th

Bahrain - Kovi 11, Ham 5th

 

Very competitive......

.....with the midfield also-rans

[Jonnycraig37]

Australia - Kovi 14, Ham 15th
Malaysia - Ham 13, Kovi 14th
China - Kovi 12th, Ham 9th
Bahrain - Kovi 11, Ham 5th

Very competitive......
.....with the midfield also-rans

The race is run on Sunday's my friend.

A 3rd (DSQ), 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th in the opening 4 races. Hardly also rans..

[sennafan24]

From Germany, only Vettel out scored Hamilton, and Hamilton got 4 pole positions, so saying it was a mid tier car is a bit disingenuous....

As to the username, I've posted on F1T for years.

Yeah, I am talking about the first half of 2009 only. But I think that is still a long enough period, it's more than just the odd race. 

 

Anyway, welcome 

[Darth Sidious]

The race is run on Sunday's my friend.

A 3rd (DSQ), 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th in the opening 4 races. Hardly also rans..

 

That's your view. I was just looking at the actual pace of the MP4-24 without factoring in attrition, safety cars and two wet races. It wasn't called the Silver Donkey for nothing.

[Nathan]

 

Hamilton the racecar engineer

 

My comment wasn't to suggest Mercedes recent form is thanks to Hamilton, more that Hamilton took a gamble going to Mercedes, and it paid off.  It isn't like he walked into a championship team like if say he went to Red Bull.

[Disgrace]

I think we've had our fun with what little could really be discussed about the topic.