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#1 faber

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 19:05

Hi guys

 

just got in the forum. ;)

 

I am doing some research about this race and could not found details about the race.

right here in the TNF´s people mentioned about a book

 

 

Would someone be kind enough to scan page 242 of Sheldon´s Vol 4 and send it to Chico?

I know the race numbers on that are "unknown" but with the contributions from Michael, for example, we now have two known...

OK, if nobody can in the next 24 hours, I´ll do it myself unless instructed otherwise.

Felix

 

 

There is other book, from Michele Perla called Gran Premio di Bari, 1947-1956 but it seems to be in italian only.

Anyway, much appreciated for yr help on this.



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#2 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 13:20

This is what I have in my database, collected from several (a lot of) sources. Let's hope the table comes out all right - Edit: OK, it doesn't

 

Better like this?

Number	Grid	Result	Make	Type	Chassis	Alt-chassis	Engine	Eng-Number	Licence	Team	Drivers.First Name	Driver	Nationality	Results.Remark
 38	 5	 1	Ferrari	159 C	002C	004C	V12-1995			SEFAC	Francisco "Chico"	Landi	BR	
 53	 2	 2 FL	Cisitalia	D46			4-1090			W	Felice	Bonetto	I	
  4	 6	 3	Cisitalia	D46			4-1090			W	Achille	Varzi	I	
  6	 7	 4a	Ferrari	166 C	014I	006C	V12-1995			SEFAC	Tazio Giorgio	Nuvolari	I	
  6		 4b	Ferrari	166 C	014I	006C	V12-1995			SEFAC	Franco	Cortese	I	
205	13	 5	Stanguellini	F2	CS01106					Giuseppe Ruggiero	Giuseppe "Peppino"	Ruggiero	I	
774	12	 6	Stanguellini	F2	CS01104		@4-1.5	CS04151		Roberto Vallone	Roberto	Vallone	I	
 72	17	 7	Fiat							Giovanni Rocco	Giovanni	Rocco	I	
114	15	 8	Urania			En: Fiat	@500 C	BMW		Berardo Taraschi	Berardo	Taraschi	I	
726	11	 9	Stanguellini	F2	CS01105				NA47730	Nicola Cherubini	Nicola	Cherubini	I	
  7	 3	R	Cisitalia	D46			4-1090			W	Dr. Piero	Taruffi	I	
  1	 4	R	Maserati	A6GCS	2002 ?		6-1979			W	Luigi	Villoresi	I	
  3	 8	R	Maserati	A6GCS	2001 ?		6-1979			W	Alberto	Ascari	I	
 56	 9	R	Maserati	A6GCS	2005 ?		6-1979			Vincenzo Auricchio	Vincenzo	Auricchio	I	
297	10	R	Ferrari	166 C	004C	002C	V12-1995			Soave Besana	Soave	Besana, S.	I	Possibly 1C rebuilt; No, certainly not !
 27	14	R	Ferrari	166 C	012I	010I ?	V12-1995			SEFAC	Ferdinando "Nando"	Righetti	I	
 58	16	R	BMW	328			6-1971			Nino Rovelli	Nino	Rovelli	I	
  8	 1	R*	Ferrari	166 C	008I		V12-1995			SEFAC	Dr. Giuseppe "Nino"	Farina	I	


Edited by Henk Vasmel, 28 November 2015 - 13:21.


#3 ReWind

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 15:51

This should be slightly better:

 #  Grid Result Make         Type  Chassis Alt-ch. Engine Eng-Number Licence Team   Driver       Nationality Remark
 38   5    1    Ferrari      159 C 002C    004C    V12-1995                  SEFAC  Chico Landi	      BR	
 53   2    2 FL Cisitalia    D46                     4-1090                  W      Felice Bonetto     I	
  4   6    3    Cisitalia    D46                     4-1090                  W      Achille Varzi      I	
  6   7    4a   Ferrari      166 C 014I    006C    V12-1995                  SEFAC  Tazio Nuvolari     I	
  6        4b   Ferrari      166 C 014I    006C    V12-1995                  SEFAC  Franco Cortese     I	
205  13    5    Stanguellini F2    CS01106                                   driver Giuseppe Ruggiero  I	
774  12	   6    Stanguellini F2    CS01104          @4-1.5   CS04151         driver Roberto Vallone    I	
 72  17	   7    Fiat                                                         driver Giovanni Rocco     I	
114  15    8    Urania                    En: Fiat  @   500 C BMW            driver Berardo Taraschi   I	
726  11	   9    Stanguellini F2    CS01105                           NA47730 driver Nicola Cherubini   I	
  7   3	   R    Cisitalia    D46                     4-1090                  W      Piero Taruffi      I	
  1   4	   R    Maserati     A6GCS 2002 ?            6-1979                  W      Luigi Villoresi    I	
  3   8	   R    Maserati     A6GCS 2001 ?            6-1979                  W      Alberto Ascari     I	
 56   9	   R    Maserati     A6GCS 2005 ?            6-1979                  driver Vincenzo Auricchio I	
297  10	   R    Ferrari      166 C 004C    002C    V12-1995                  driver Soave Besana       I     Possibly 1C rebuilt; No, certainly not !
 27  14	   R    Ferrari      166 C 012I    010I ?  V12-1995                  SEFAC  Nando Righetti     I	
 58  16	   R    BMW          328                     6-1971                  driver Nino Rovelli       I	
  8   1	   R*   Ferrari      166 C 008I            V12-1995                  SEFAC  Nino Farina        I

Do NOT use tab stops!



#4 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 18:58

This should be slightly better:

 #  Grid Result Make         Type  Chassis Alt-ch. Engine Eng-Number Licence Team   Driver       Nationality Remark
 38   5    1    Ferrari      159 C 002C    004C    V12-1995                  SEFAC  Chico Landi	      BR	
 53   2    2 FL Cisitalia    D46                     4-1090                  W      Felice Bonetto     I	
  4   6    3    Cisitalia    D46                     4-1090                  W      Achille Varzi      I	
  6   7    4a   Ferrari      166 C 014I    006C    V12-1995                  SEFAC  Tazio Nuvolari     I	
  6        4b   Ferrari      166 C 014I    006C    V12-1995                  SEFAC  Franco Cortese     I	
205  13    5    Stanguellini F2    CS01106                                   driver Giuseppe Ruggiero  I	
774  12	   6    Stanguellini F2    CS01104          @4-1.5   CS04151         driver Roberto Vallone    I	
 72  17	   7    Fiat                                                         driver Giovanni Rocco     I	
114  15    8    Urania                    En: Fiat  @   500 C BMW            driver Berardo Taraschi   I	
726  11	   9    Stanguellini F2    CS01105                           NA47730 driver Nicola Cherubini   I	
  7   3	   R    Cisitalia    D46                     4-1090                  W      Piero Taruffi      I	
  1   4	   R    Maserati     A6GCS 2002 ?            6-1979                  W      Luigi Villoresi    I	
  3   8	   R    Maserati     A6GCS 2001 ?            6-1979                  W      Alberto Ascari     I	
 56   9	   R    Maserati     A6GCS 2005 ?            6-1979                  driver Vincenzo Auricchio I	
297  10	   R    Ferrari      166 C 004C    002C    V12-1995                  driver Soave Besana       I     Possibly 1C rebuilt; No, certainly not !
 27  14	   R    Ferrari      166 C 012I    010I ?  V12-1995                  SEFAC  Nando Righetti     I	
 58  16	   R    BMW          328                     6-1971                  driver Nino Rovelli       I	
  8   1	   R*   Ferrari      166 C 008I            V12-1995                  SEFAC  Nino Farina        I

Do NOT use tab stops!

Great. How did you do that? There are often questions on this BB that I want to reply to with an extract from my database. I am using MS-Access, and went through Excel (2007) to get a publishable table. I also notice that you replaced some of the entrants names by "driver". Either way is clear, so what do people prefer? "W" for entrant is short for Works, meaning the entry was made by the constructor of the car.



#5 ReWind

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 19:12

Like I said: Don't use tab stops.

I just copied your table and worked on the spaces between the words, letters etc.



#6 Oneandhalf

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 20:31

Hi all

I have a few comments:

  1. Chico Landi’s Ferrari was the “tipo 166” not 159, because engine was modified (or changed) after Gabriele Besana came back from South America. Volume was increased from 1903 to 1995 cubic centimeters.  
  2. Chico Landi’s Ferrari was entered by Gabriele Besana not Scuderia Ferrari, because it was his own car. Or by  Automóvel clube do Brasil.
  3. Chico Landi initially was entered at March, 22 without specifying of the car by Automóvel clube do Brasil. They planned to start with Plate’s Maserati 4CL!  After arriving they realized that the race will be held among the cars of formula No. 2 and decided to put on the race 2 litre T-car BMW Spl. But Chico's time in practice was awful. Day before the race Afonso de Castiglio (ACB) called friend of him, Gaby Besana, and agreed that Besana will provide his Ferrari to Landi.
  4. Achille Varzi initially was entered with SIMCA Gordini, Equipe Gordini. But started with Cisitalia D46 instead Adolfo Macchieraldo (entered as #107, DNA).
  5. Tazio Nuvolari and Nando Righetti cannot use chassis 006I and 010I as reserve, because both cars at the same day was in Stockholm (Sommer and Biondetti).
  6. Taruffi’s car was Cisitalia D47 (1200 cub.cm).
  7. Another entries – “Raph”, SIMCA Gordini, DNA and Clemente Biondetti as reserve driver for the car #726, DNA.

 

Faber, what kind information do you need another? Starting, prize money? Insurance amount? Or some specific details about the race?

Sorry for my English because it is not my native language


Edited by Oneandhalf, 29 November 2015 - 02:40.


#7 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 16:00

Like I said: Don't use tab stops.

I just copied your table and worked on the spaces between the words, letters etc.

I copied your table into a text editor and now I see what you mean. I was hoping for a "one mouse-click" solution, but it turns out to be a bit more hand work. MS-Access and Excel automatically insert tab-stops, so I have to do this editing. At least I understand now.



#8 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 16:10

Hi all

I have a few comments:

  1. Chico Landi’s Ferrari was the “tipo 166” not 159, because engine was modified (or changed) after Gabriele Besana came back from South America. Volume was increased from 1903 to 1995 cubic centimeters.  
  2. Chico Landi’s Ferrari was entered by Gabriele Besana not Scuderia Ferrari, because it was his own car. Or by  Automóvel clube do Brasil.
  3. Chico Landi initially was entered at March, 22 without specifying of the car by Automóvel clube do Brasil. They planned to start with Plate’s Maserati 4CL!  After arriving they realized that the race will be held among the cars of formula No. 2 and decided to put on the race 2 litre T-car BMW Spl. But Chico's time in practice was awful. Day before the race Afonso de Castiglio (ACB) called friend of him, Gaby Besana, and agreed that Besana will provide his Ferrari to Landi.
  4. Achille Varzi initially was entered with SIMCA Gordini, Equipe Gordini. But started with Cisitalia D46 instead Adolfo Macchieraldo (entered as #107, DNA).
  5. Tazio Nuvolari and Nando Righetti cannot use chassis 006I and 010I as reserve, because both cars at the same day was in Stockholm (Sommer and Biondetti).
  6. Taruffi’s car was Cisitalia D47 (1200 cub.cm).
  7. Another entries – “Raph”, SIMCA Gordini, DNA and Clemente Biondetti as reserve driver for the car #726, DNA.

 

Faber, what kind information do you need another? Starting, prize money? Insurance amount? Or some specific details about the race?

Sorry for my English because it is not my native language

 

Thanks for all the extra information. That's how I can improve the quality of my database all the time.

On #1 I slightly disagree. The car was born as a 159, so for continuity's sake, I keep on referring to it as a 159, even after the engine has been upgraded to a 166.

And #5, there is a slight misunderstanding. Alt-Ch. is not spare car (that is a field called T-car, which didn't apply at this race) It means that I have seen sources which give an alternative chassis number. In this case it is clear that the alternatives are wrong, as you rightly point out. I still don't know whether to remove them or mark them as incorrect when I got positive information like this. In the future I can find other references which copy data from the incorrect source, so I must be sure not to "repair" my correct info then.



#9 D-Type

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 23:28

You need a "Remarks" column but I appreciate the difficulty modifying an MS Access database as opposed to adding data.



#10 marlondylan

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 21:52

According to the latest insights regarding the 159-166 SC serial numbers the following Ferraris attended Bari:

 

002 (not 002C) of Landi

004C of S.Besana

008I of Farina

014I of Righetti

018I of Nuvolari/Cortese

 

See also Cavallino 178 2010: "An Opening on the World"

 

Best regards

Boudewijn


Edited by marlondylan, 01 December 2015 - 21:54.


#11 faber

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 14:36

 

 

Faber, what kind information do you need another? Starting, prize money? Insurance amount? Or some specific details about the race?

Sorry for my English because it is not my native language

 

Hi Oneandhalf

 

I looking for race history like pit stops, overtakings, pictures and other relevant details.

and a huge tks for everybody posting here    ;)


Edited by faber, 02 December 2015 - 14:42.