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#1 gary76

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 19:01

Perhaps a simple answer to my question. When the drivers are weighed after the race are they required to be weighed with their helmet?

I noticed that Nico Rosberg removed his helmet in the winners enclosure and left it on his car before being weighed.

What is the format?

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#2 MortenF1

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 19:30

They are supposed to stand on the weight as they race, ergo helmet and HANS are supposed to be on them.
I guess they see through this from time to time, as they know the weight.

#3 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 19:31

The FIA regulations define "weight" as:

 

1.9 Weight :
Is the weight of the car with the driver, wearing his complete racing apparel, at all times during the Event.

 

So it's the car, driver, and all his apparel. Post race everything is weighted, is it critical in one circumstance it is car, driver with apparel, and the other car with apparel, driver?

 

As far as the technical process, it doesn't make a difference. In public perception and advertising, the drivers seek to keep their helmets on as long as possible to satisfy sponsors who pay big bucks to have their logo on the helmet.



#4 redreni

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 20:33

The helmet has to be weighed but, unless there's a prescriptive sporting regulation or directive that I don't know, I don't think it matters if the driver wears it on the scales, holds it in his hands on the scales, or leaves it in the cockpit so it gets weighed with the car.

Also, it wouldn't be of concern to the scrutineers if a driver were to shed equipment, and therefore weight, after the race and before his weight is checked. What they have to watch out for is the opposite - drivers picking up weight (lead bearings or water down the back of the race suit, etc).

#5 Fatgadget

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 20:53

^Wasn't there a case where some lead weights were surreptitiously slipped into a drivers pocket while being hugged by a team member during celebrations? :eek:

#6 JeePee

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 21:06

^Wasn't there a case where some lead weights were surreptitiously slipped into a drivers pocket while being hugged by a team member during celebrations? :eek:

Mattias Ekstrom at DTM Norisring 2013:

 

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#7 Peter0Scandlyn

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 01:05

That's the second time he has done that in the space of three races.

Pretty slack officialdom.  ):



#8 AustinF1

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 01:38

I heard of it being done well before that, to. I don't know who, when, or where though. Just heard it was a thing.



#9 Dan333SP

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:18

I heard of it being done well before that, to. I don't know who, when, or where though. Just heard it was a thing.


Not strictly driver related like what you're thinking of, but Tyrrell got themselves banned from the '84 season after they would stop near the end of races to top off their water injection tanks with a water/lead shot mix that brought them up over the minimum weight. Seems people never cease to seek out that advantage.

#10 BlinkyMcSquinty

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:29

Rosberg did nothing wrong, he did not gain any advantage because he was well within the rules.

 

Just because he did something you take casually, he did nothing wrong. I read the Technical and Sporting regulations, nothing wrong. But one exception. In Article 3 of the Sporting Regulation, item 7

 

The drivers must not be delayed in the parc fermé.

 

And they all break that rule. So if anyone is going to get on their high horse and question conduct, let's start with that one.



#11 Peter0Scandlyn

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:30

Not F1 I know but not that long ago there was a DQ in DTM when winning driver took a bath prior to weigh in at ace end....



#12 Peter0Scandlyn

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:35

Fair enough Blinky, I just can't recall tho any instances previously where all driver's clobber wasn't gathered up and presented with driver for the after race weigh in.

There was a suggestion of a warning being issued when Rosberg presented himself without two races back. Fact or fiction on that?....No idea.



#13 Currahee

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 07:23

I remember Mika Hakkinen getting drenched with a bucket full of cold water after a race. Hungary maybe?

 

Surely that was adding weight?



#14 Peat

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 07:36

It wouldn't be beyond the wit of man to make each car drive across a weighbridge as they enter parc ferme. 



#15 ExFlagMan

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 09:14

Looks like Bernie's 'organiser' was trying to get Rosberg to the podium ceremony ASAP and dragged him away from the weigh-in.

I guess in Bernie's world not inconveniencing one's hosts/paymasters take precedence over any sporting rules.... 



#16 quaint

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:26

I remember Mika Hakkinen getting drenched with a bucket full of cold water after a race. Hungary maybe?

 

Surely that was adding weight?

 

I assume that was after they defined minimum weight with the driver included? Some years they had reference weights for the drivers, not measured after every event.



#17 Rob

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:30

They probably just weighed the helmet separately. I think even the FIA can manage addition.



#18 toniovodka

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 13:43

Not f1 realted but a bit funny. A few years ago i was working as a technical marshall in a national series, we weighed the cars before the race (with drivers in it) and all cars had the correct weight but on the grid one driver was sitting in the car and a mechanic gave him his helmet still in the helmet bag, the driver used the helmet bag to take out almost 30 kilos of disk weights (the disks used at every gym). hidden under the drivers seat, he put the disk in the helmet bag and gave the bag to the mechanic, we only find out because a marshal bumped in to the mechanic and he droped the bag while the cars were doing the formation lap, of course the car was DQ.



#19 Mila

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 14:13

I remember Mika Hakkinen getting drenched with a bucket full of cold water after a race. Hungary maybe?

 

It was indeed in parc ferme at the Hungaroring in 2000. Mika was hot, but still  . . .