86 replies to this topic

[Risil]

Nope, but let's throw up a smokescreen to cover it up. Or we could try to fix things.......no, let's go with the smokescreen.

They could combine the two approaches and run the Formula E season finale inside the actual hall.

Edited by Risil, 13 December 2015 - 21:00.

[johnmhinds]

I don't really mind the idea, just not really a fan of it being done directly by the FIA because they have a bad habit of being biased and taking bribes when they have to vote on anything.

It would be better if it was set up by a independent motorsport fan club who won't be as corruptible.

[Nonesuch]

Who's gonna get in?

 

As with all such Halls of Fame; too many people.

 

If the FIA limits it to people who have won world championships, then we already have those lists available to us now.

[Rinehart]

I predict absolutely nobody will be happy with the outcome of this... 

[ensign14]

I frankly find it insulting that the FIA sees fit to tell me which people in Grand Prix racing deserve to be in a Hall of Fame. 

[Rinehart]

I predict absolutely nobody will be happy with the outcome of this... 

 

 

I frankly find it insulting that the FIA sees fit to tell me which people in Grand Prix racing deserve to be in a Hall of Fame. 

 

And in some cases, even the concept itself. 

[YoungGun]

As with all such Halls of Fame; too many people.

 

If the FIA limits it to people who have won world championships, then we already have those lists available to us now.

 

I think the difficulty will be in indentifying "Motorsport Legends" would surely also belong to be side by side a WDC.

[ardbeg]

There are not so many "legends". Maybe Nuvolari, Fangio, Clark, Senna and Schumacher. The first three are pre-FiA but I assume they must include them as well, otherwise it will be a short list. Apart from the obvious names, known by a broader audience, the already "famous", there are quite a few who's name will live on in the Hall of Fame. I see nothing wrong with that. I would personally like more people to know about Rosemeyer and how he was basically sent to death by people who did not care about him. I am sure there are quite a number of forgotten heroes and when the induction is made I will learn more about them.

Nothing wrong with a hall of fame. 

[ensign14]

Nothing wrong with a hall of fame. 

 

Not if you get rid of the World Championship, no.  Which I would be in favour of.  Having a Hall of Fame which includes non-champions betrays just how much the world title is a marketing tool.  They've not really thought it through.  Sheeple.

[ardbeg]

Not if you get rid of the World Championship, no.  Which I would be in favour of.  Having a Hall of Fame which includes non-champions betrays just how much the world title is a marketing tool.  They've not really thought it through.  Sheeple.

Different times. They will not crown Nico  WDC and induct Lewis into the HoF the same year. Specially not if he is still racing. HoF is not really a marketing tool anyway. The WDC belongs to sponsors but a place in the HoF belongs to the family. 

[YoungGun]

Not if you get rid of the World Championship, no.  Which I would be in favour of.  Having a Hall of Fame which includes non-champions betrays just how much the world title is a marketing tool.  They've not really thought it through.  Sheeple.

 

So in your scenario there would be no room for people like Adrian Newey, Frank Williams etc. just as an example?

[ensign14]

So in your scenario there would be no room for people like Adrian Newey, Frank Williams etc. just as an example?

 

They've won world titles.  They are also famous for their work already.  Sir Frank for building a team up from running cut & shut Marches to the world title.  Newey for designing some of the greatest GP cars ever.  So why do they need the official imprimatur of a Hall of Fame?

[YoungGun]

They've won world titles.  They are also famous for their work already.  Sir Frank for building a team up from running cut & shut Marches to the world title.  Newey for designing some of the greatest GP cars ever.  So why do they need the official imprimatur of a Hall of Fame?

 

Fair enough. As I was envisioning something more along the likes this Hall of Fame. Where it has a little bit of everything and can be enjoyed by future generations to come.

 

https://www.hhof.com/

[Nonesuch]

So in your scenario there would be no room for people like Adrian Newey, Frank Williams etc. just as an example?

 

What would be the point? Hall of Fames, whether by that name or something more medieval like the 'orders' of the last few remaining European monarchies, mostly make the news when someone refuses to be listed.

 

After the first few obvious candidates have been brought into the list, you'll quickly get 'fame'-inflation. No doubt there will be a political aspect to it as well, further diluting the relevance of the list.

 

In a way it seems the FIA is trying to come up with its own SEO-tailored 'Top Ten list'. The Ten Drivers You Never Thought Would Be Champion!

[ardbeg]

It's a list. What is there to be upset about?

[as65p]

I frankly find it insulting that the FIA sees fit to tell me which people in Grand Prix racing deserve to be in a Hall of Fame. 

 

Yet in a way it's made for people like you, so you can feel even more elite disagreeing with their choices.

[Nonesuch]

It's a list. What is there to be upset about?

 

There is nothing wrong with people making lists. However, the FIA isn't just some random blogger with an opinion.

 

The FIA oversees championships, makes regulations, appoints the people running the show, and, importantly, acts on behalf of national automobile and motorsport organisations etc.

 

Should Ayrton Senna be eligible for this Hall of Fame? Despite his premeditated collision with Prost? Does the FIA really want to be seen honouring such behaviour while also trying to promote its Road Safety campaigns?

 

There is no compelling reason for making such a list, but plenty of reasons not to do it.

[ardbeg]

There is nothing wrong with people making lists. However, the FIA isn't just some random blogger with an opinion.

 

The FIA oversees championships, makes regulations, appoints the people running the show, and, importantly, acts on behalf of national automobile and motorsport organisations etc.

 

Should Ayrton Senna be eligible for this Hall of Fame? Despite his premeditated collision with Prost? Does the FIA really want to be seen honouring such behaviour while also trying to promote its Road Safety campaigns?

 

There is no compelling reason for making such a list, but plenty of reasons not to do it.

Let sleeping dogs lie? So in your opinion there should be no HoF at all? What if Senna does not make the list due to the reasons you describe? Happy then? What if Prost does not make the list because of the premeditated... 

These problems exists for all HoF's, like rock, hockey... I have never, so far been upset over any induction to any list and I do not suspect I ever will. Well, unless they induct Hemberey.

[Rinehart]

Not if you get rid of the World Championship, no.  Which I would be in favour of.  Having a Hall of Fame which includes non-champions betrays just how much the world title is a marketing tool.  They've not really thought it through.  Sheeple.

[DinocoBlue]

The Baseball Hall of Fame's plaques feature players in a team cap - which occasionally is an old team the player had success with, rather than a team they are commonly associated with. I don't think the FIA HoF would have this issue, but an example could be Jenson Button.

Won his title with Brawn, but has done to date 6+ seasons with McLaren (as well as long stints with others). So should he be a Brawn driver, or a McLaren driver? (only based on the baseball cap example - I don't envisage the FIA one being team specific).

 

Just another potential aspect for folks to quibble over.

Edited by DinocoBlue, 14 December 2015 - 13:54.

[Collombin]

That's not really an issue is it? The Pro Football HOF in Canton deal with that quite easily. List the member's teams and seasons, but the bust is just of their head.

Edited by E.B., 14 December 2015 - 14:21.

[Nonesuch]

So in your opinion there should be no HoF at all?

 

Not one organized by the FIA, because of its position in matters related to motorsport and the automotive industry.

I'm all for magazines like Autosport having their own (title sponsored) Hall of Fame. It can be good fun, and as magazines and websites show, especially during these last weeks of the year, people love lists.

 

I have never, so far been upset over any induction to any list and I do not suspect I ever will.

 

Neither have I; I just don't think there is any compelling reason to do it, and plenty of ways in which it can create negative reactions.

[RacingGreen]

So the Hall of Fame idea is back on the table again it appears.

 

http://www.autosport...ng-hall-of-fame

 

Normally when these things are launched there are a group of a dozen foundation inductees - but who?

[RECKLESS]

"While they would exist as a physical entity, it is not clear whether the public will be able to visit either hall of fame."

Great!

[PlayboyRacer]

I guess almost all WDC (with a few exceptions like Jacques Villeneuve, Damon Hill or Keke Rosberg and without current drivers) and a few non-WDC like Stirling Moss or Gilles Villeneuve.

Not Villeneuve, Hill or Keke? Straight off like that? Just wow. Talk about dismissive based off rubbish modern day fanboy perceptions.

Thank god the forum isn't judging this.

I like the idea and expect a wide array of names given this isn't a sole F1 HoF.

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 03 April 2017 - 01:00.

[RacingGreen]

What struck me about the announcement is that it will be in Geneva and Paris. Geneva has a motor show and is the home of the FIA offices but is it really the best place to put it. Perhaps there shouldn't be a home and what we need is a travelling hall of fame promoting motor sport at motor sport venues round the world. The great unwashed motor racing fan is unlikely to go to Geneva to see some busts of famous drivers and the odd bit of memorabilia and a car or two. Sure it may have a nice cafe for Jean Todt and colleagues to spend their expense accounts in but is that all it's good for? Think about what could be done instead. If "The Hall"  turned up at a GP venue or Le Mans a couple of weeks before a race then it opens up a range of marketing possibilities. That would mean that there is no plaque on a permanent wall saying "opened by Jean Todt" of course but is it to promote him or the sport in general?

[Neno]

Palmer deserves it. You can only have so much talent to get a job two years in row for manufacturer. And still have 1 point in your career. 

[Richard T]

I wonder if Jean Todt will nominate himself to the HoF ;)

[Atreiu]

I like the idea, but I also know it is impossible to have people in agreement about who shold go in the hall. And after 70+ years of post WWII racing, the first class should be so crowded it might not look so special and more like a round up.

 

Fangio, Moss, Clark, Surtees, Stewart, Fittipaldi, Lauda, Piquet, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Hakkinen. As far as F1 drivers go, I'd start with them.

But I'd also consider others. It depends on how many should join at once.

Edited by Atreiu, 03 April 2017 - 05:09.

[RacingGreen]

I like the idea, but I also know it is impossible to have people in agreement about who shold go in the hall. And after 70+ years of post WWII racing, the first class should be so crowded it might not look so special and more like a round up.

 

Fangio, Moss, Clark, Surtees, Stewart, Fittipaldi, Lauda, Piquet, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Hakkinen. As far as F1 drivers go, I'd start with them.

But I'd also consider others. It depends on how many should join at once.

 

You can't please all the people but I don't think it's supposed to be a post WW2 F1 Hall of Fame, so why not add:-

 

a rally great or two like Kankkunen or Makinen

a great team owners/manager maybe Enzo Ferrari stands out

a sports car legend like Jackie Ickx or Tom Kristensen wouldn't be out of place either 

and at least one of those greats from before WW2, my first choice being Nuvalari

[chunder27]

This will be a Liberty thing

 

America is obsessed with Halls of Fame, they have them for just abut every sport, no matter how long they have existed.

 

A good idea in some ways, but a bit old hat in others.

[ensign14]

Halls of fame are an abomination.  They're an attempt by the Powers That Be to own history.  "Driver X is great because we say so."  **** that ****.  I trust my judgment well above that of the FIA.

[RacingGreen]

Halls of fame are an abomination.  They're an attempt by the Powers That Be to own history.  "Driver X is great because we say so."  **** that ****.  I trust my judgment well above that of the FIA.

 

I think I'd trust your judgement above the FIA's too, but back to my original point if they are going to Americanise things and have one it should be used to promote the sport as a whole and not just be some museum in Geneva. 

I thought they already had a WDC to acknowledge their version of greatness. Growing up my favourite driver was Chris Amon, not a champion, not even a winner but in my book a great. Well maybe not a "great" but a notable part of my personal view of F1 history.

Edited by RacingGreen, 03 April 2017 - 07:43.

[chunder27]

I can see the point, but it is a fairly pointless idea is it not?

 

A lot of the people that will be in there are dead and yes it's great to honour them, and although there will obviously be plenty of living members, it simply seems an extension of the pomp and ceremony that there is too much of already in motorsport. An excuse for the suits to have yet more lavish do's in Switzerland or Monaco as that is where it will probably be.

We all know guys like Bell, Ickx, Makinen, Kankkunen, Faggioli, Nuvolari, and whoever you wish to add as a potential member are GREATS. I suppose this gives them further recognition. Do we need it? No.

 

But if you look at some Halls of Fame, you will not know a lot of the people in the lesser ones unless you have been following some sports for decades. I looked at the NHRA one a few years ago and knew hardly any of the people in there, there were track owners, scrutineers, car builders!!  Great people no doubt, but hardly worthy of being in something as exalted as a Hall of Fame!

[Retrofly]

No one has mentioned Andy Priaulx? This place is a disgrace!

[Bleu]

They added all F1 champions in 2017, all WRC champions in 2018 and WSC/WEC champions in 2019. Since then nothing.

 

Max Verstappen, Ott Tänak, Kalle Rovanperä, Mike Conway, Kamui Kobayashi, Jose Maria Lopez and Ryo Hirakawa have joined the list of champions since the earlier drivers from their categories were included but none of those drivers have been added to the Hall of Fame.

[FirstnameLastname]

So hall of fame is just a list of champions of each series

And pointless