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[kaisellgren]

So who is going to take Massa`s place at Williams next year? JB is gone now, so...

 

I wish Williams had the money to steal Alonso

[f1paul]

I wish Williams had the money to steal Alonso

Even if they did, I doubt Alonso would go there.

Edited by f1paul, 03 September 2016 - 17:05.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Will probably be Nasr.

[Jvr]

Even if they did, I doubt Alosno would go there.

Sorry but I first read your comment as Alsono...

 

But on the topic, they will get a young driver along with Bottas I strongly believe.

[f1paul]

Sorry but I first read your comment as Alsono...

 

But on the topic, they will get a young driver along with Bottas I strongly believe.

I aplogosie 

[Jvr]

I aplogosie 

No need to aplogosie! I just found it funny that I had not previously realized that is Alonso's anagram.

Edited by Jvr, 03 September 2016 - 17:09.

[JordanIreland]

Great to see Williams out performing Force India today. If they can do the same in Singapore it will bode well for the rest of the season.

 

Nice pass by Ricciardo on VB.... likewise VB did some nice overtaking of his own too !!!

 

Sad to see Massa so far off VB... would be good if he could close that gap before he retires !!!

 

Good weekend overall 

[WilliamsF1Fan]

I'm not sure but my gut tells me our line-up will certainly be weaker next year than it has been the last 3 years and certainly weaker than Force India.  I kind of want Stroll as I like the idea of a young driver being built up through the team rather like Bottas.  I wanted Button or Perez though.  There will be a lot more pressure on Bottas if we do go with a rookie next year.  

Today was a pretty good result for the team, bit disappointed Bottas lost 5th but it was a very good move by Ricciardo.  Glad Massa got a points finish too.  Now we just need to hope we can keep in the mix with the Force India cars so we can stay above them.  Hope the guys and girls at the team can keep up the pace until the end of the season.  

[Anderis]

Great to see Williams out performing Force India today. If they can do the same in Singapore it will bode well for the rest of the season.

I would be very surprised if they do. It's the worst track for them out of those which will be raced by the end of the year.

[Disgrace]

Don't forget we have a lovely and welcoming silly season thread for discussing the 2017 driver line-up.

[WilliamsF1Fan]

Signed up Antonio Spagnolo from Ferrari Competitor Analysis and Performance Concept Team Leader.  Good to see the team are not happy to settle with what they've got and are out signing people from the teams around us, although I don't know enough about Spagnolo to know if he'll make a massive difference, but if he was Ferrari's head of Tyre Performance it is a good indication of what Williams have considered to be a problem this season.

[SpeedRacer`]

Poor strategy again yesterday for Massa. A 3 stopper doesn't work if you are in traffic in the midfield. No way they should've been beaten by Perez and Magnussen.

[WilliamsF1Fan]

The car was never going to perform well at Singapore though, regardless of more dodgy strategy calls.  I think scraping a point would have been a considerable result given the inherent weaknesses of the FW38.  

[SpeedRacer`]

The car was never going to perform well at Singapore though, regardless of more dodgy strategy calls.  I think scraping a point would have been a considerable result given the inherent weaknesses of the FW38.  

 

Yes but Massa was running well inside the top 10 after the first corner fracas - Williams cannot keep giving away points like this. FI are one of the best teams on strategy.

[WilliamsF1Fan]

Yes but Massa was running well inside the top 10 after the first corner fracas - Williams cannot keep giving away points like this. FI are one of the best teams on strategy.

 

Yeah, that's true but I think whatever the team did would have resulted in no points at the end.  The car eats tyres and is not great at circuits like this at the best of times.  If we'd stuck with 2 stops I don't doubt that by the end Felipe would have been sliding all over the place 

[LiftAndCoast]

Poor strategy again yesterday for Massa. A 3 stopper doesn't work if you are in traffic in the midfield. No way they should've been beaten by Perez and Magnussen.

The difficulty of comparing strategy to Force India is that their car is much easier in the tyres, with Perez in particular a genius at eking life out of the Pirellis.

Williams don't seem to have gotten completely on top of their tyre chewing issues, and on the rare occasions that they try to run long, it turns out poorly.

So I think they will always do more rather than fewer stops.

[SpeedRacer`]

The difficulty of comparing strategy to Force India is that their car is much easier in the tyres, with Perez in particular a genius at eking life out of the Pirellis.

Williams don't seem to have gotten completely on top of their tyre chewing issues, and on the rare occasions that they try to run long, it turns out poorly.

So I think they will always do more rather than fewer stops.

 

I do agree the Williams was harder on it tyres, but then why in Germany did they do the opposite (to a point where Bottas was losing 7 seconds per lap and they still kept him out!)

 

At least in Singapore with a Merc engine you've got a chance of holding people up. Also they put Massa on used Ultras.

[motorhead]

Williams is going backwards. Next year there will be Renault and McLaren in the competition for the points too. Things aren´t looking good at the moment. Strange strategy today to let Massa pass Bottas didn´t help either...

[Marklar]

Next year will be a reset though

[WilliamsF1Fan]

Next year could go either way but the team traditionally does okay when the regulations are reset though, so hopefully we'll maintain our position but the team really does need to improve it's aero department soon.  Hopefully the talk about James Key is more than wishful thinking even if it is a few years off.  Today wasn't bad, I think it was as good as we could do given the obvious limitations of the car again.  Not sure if the strategy was a help or hindrance but a double points finish was probably a best case scenario.  

[Anderis]

Williams is going backwards. Next year there will be Renault and McLaren in the competition for the points too. Things aren´t looking good at the moment. Strange strategy today to let Massa pass Bottas didn´t help either...

McLaren was supposed to be in the competition this season already. Some even expected them to be beating Williams on regular basis by the end of 2015.

[paulogman]

it's strange that at one point they were developing well, but this season it seems they haven't had the same results with developments working.

 

it's like the car is as fast as it's going to get and the concept is too limited compared to force india particularly, which is getting quicker race on race

[Nathan]

Is it an issue of poor simulation/correlation, or a heavy focus on 2017?  I otherwise don't understand how F.I. can progress such much better.

[Marklar]

Where and why Williams has been caught out

 

http://en.f1i.com/ma...caught-out.html

[MustangSally]

Where and why Williams has been caught out

 

http://en.f1i.com/ma...caught-out.html

 

Not sure I follow all this commentary.

 

They tried a few radical changes over the 2015 winter which didn't  work. The car which arrived at the track in 2016 was a quick and dirty expedient.

 

The 2014 car was influenced by Coughlan, before he left.  Not unlike his famous Arrows car, which was the fastest thing ever in a straight line. That proved to be the absolutely right concept for the car with a Mercedes engine at the time. 

 

I think you would have to ask Pat, why risk all this money on a radical concept (in 2015 winter) when there's only 1 year left of existing regulations.

 

(edit for typo)

Edited by MustangSally, 17 October 2016 - 19:47.

[Wes350]

Not sure I follow all this commentary.

 

They tried a few radical changes over the 2015 winter which didn't  work. The car which arrived at the track in 2016 was a quick and dirty expedient.

 

The 2014 car was influenced by Coughlan, before he left.  Not unlike his famous Arrows car, which was the fastest thing ever in a straight line. That proved to be the absolutely right concept for the car with a Mercedes engine at the time. 

 

I think you would have to ask Pat, why risk all this money on a radical concept (in 2015 winter) when there's only 1 year left of existing regulations.

 

(edit for typo)

 

 

  It will be painfully obvious that I don't know much about F1 car design...

 

I feel that Williams made a mistake by not doubling down on the concepts that made the 2014 car able to challenge Merc for poles on certain tracks.

 

Rather than trying to go for a more "well-rounded" car.

 

Yes they would have to be just a points scoring car at tracks like Monaco and Hungary, but they would have legit chances at race wins at other tracks. Maybe getting a few of the wins that Ferrari and Redbull have taken over the last two years.

 

If you exclude the Mercedes; Bottas's 2014 Silverston drive was a one sided slaughter of the rest of the field.

 

For a team with their resources you would think that they would be better off by targeting their car design to challenge for wins at certain high speed tracks, and get a few outstanding results - rather than make a good "well-rounded" car that will just run in the points off and on with the occasional podium.

 

But there is probably a very good reason why they don't, that I'm not understanding.

Edited by Wes350, 18 October 2016 - 19:39.

[Maustinsj]

 

Nice touch!

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[WilliamsF1Fan]

It's great that the team have their pitstops sorted, it has been a problem for numerous seasons so to go from pretty bad to the best is outstanding.  Just a shame this season it has counted for very little.  Hopefully next season the whole package is as good as the pit crew!   Well done to all of them 

[Seanspeed]

Their pitcrew were indeed absolutely insane this year.  Pretty sure they were the envy of the pitlane.  

 

Wonder if they were doing anything special in terms of hardware, or if it was just mere great human effort.