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[sportyskells]

and BRG is wrong on BBC saying about keeping F1 as its on channel 4 

[LORDBYRON]

and BRG is wrong on BBC saying about keeping F1 as its on channel 4 

 

BRG is not wrong.

 

For the love of dogs... Did you read his post and the thread title correct my friend.  ?

[BRG]

and BRG is wrong on BBC saying about keeping F1 as its on channel 4 

[Marklar]

But everything else BRG predicted WILL happen

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

My Prediction for the first four races of the season:

 

• Mercedes-Ferrari

• RedBull-McLaren

• ToroRosso-ForceIndia

• Williams-Sauber-Haas

• Manor-Renault

 

- Some of the mentioned interesting developments for Williams 2016 car in the news, are the reason for ranking Williams lower. Sorry Williams fan

 

- I think Sauber are going to surprise some people. Mark Smith is there this time.

Edited by RYARLE, 22 January 2016 - 20:07.

[MortenF1]

January, but still;
Standard prediction is Mercedes will still have the fastest package, but Ferrari will be closer and have a car that can win some races on merit. I agree.
Williams number three, closely followed by STR and McLaren, with Red Bull joining in the second half.
Renault next in line, in a bit of a vacuum.
Sauber and Haas fight each other, which will bother Sauber greatly. Understandably to an extent, if this proves right.
Manor last, but with Mercedes power, not hopelessly last.

[henke1972]

OK...its January, but anyway. Here is m y list. 

 

1. Mercedes, Rosberg
2. Mercedes, Hamilton

3  Ferrari, Kimi

4.Ferrari, Vettel

5. Williams, Bottas

6. RBR, Ricciardo
7. RBR, Kvyat

8. FI. Perez

9. Williams, Massa

10. FI, Perez

11. Toro Rosso, Verstappen
12. Renault, Palmer

13. McLaren, Button

14. Toro Rosso, Sainz

16. McLaren, Alonso
17. Sauber, Ericsson

18. Renault, Maldonado
19. Sauber, Nasr
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19. Manor, Magnussen
20. Manor, Vehrlein
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21. Haas, Grosjean
22. Haas, Guttiz

[noikeee]

Perez's so good he's finishing 8th and 10th at the same time. 

[charly0418]

1- Merc: duh

2- Ferrari: Vettel will put a championship early on, still not enough

3- Aston Martin: With incredible time constrains and the compromise of the old car the B spec was a success, imagine what they'll do with a car created from scratch on the Cologne wind tunnel

4- Williams: They're still weak on the aero side, and I fear their new development route might not work out, very risky to change aero concepts with 1 year left on regulations

5- McLaren: I think they'll be back to decency, no wins at all do

6- Red Bull: Renault engine, it sucks

7- Toro Rosso: 2015 Engine deficit ends up being bigger than people think, still cracking chassis 

8- Haas: Grosjean scores 80% of the points

9- Renault: Renault engine, it sucks

10- Sauber

11- Manor

 

I stand by what I predicted a couple months ago   only doubt is Williams, lets see how their new car works with bug changes coming

[noikeee]

I wouldn't be so sure Williams will be outscored by "Aston Martin"... 

[DutchQuicksilver]

I guess after the first four test days, the order is like this:

 

1. Mercedes

2. Ferrari

3. Force India

4. Red Bull

5. Williams

6. Toro Rosso

7. McLaren

8. Haas

9. Renault

10. Manor

--. Sauber (no 2016 car seen yet)

[tearitup]

No it isn't. Torro rosso only tested an interim car on mediums. Everyone seems stronger than mclaren.

[THEWALL]

I'll just do teams:

 

1. Mercedes

2. Ferrari

3. Williams

4. RBR

5. FI

6. STR

7. Sauber

8. Renault

9. McLaren

10. Haas

11. Manor

[MortenF1]

Mercedes once again has the best package, and they wont be beaten to either championship. I think their advantage in ultimate pace will be around 7-8 tenths to Ferrari in the early part of the season. I'll predict another title for Hamilton.

Ferrari next up, and their second in the constructors is just as obvious as Mercedes position is. Signs from testing shows their reliability is fragile and they'll lose a chunk of points through breakdowns. Räikkönen will have a year in which he redeems himself somewhat.

Williams third, and not too far away from Ferraris points harvest at all, thanks to better reliability. Their car will not be faster.

Red Bull fourth. I believe Renault will improve, and the chassis is a supreme build once again, perhaps the best! Ricciardo wins a race this year, obviously on one of the twistier tracks, but not Monaco. Kvyat will not have as good a year as he needs to have - Verstappen will take his place for '17.

Force India fifth, and I think the battle behind the first two will be really tight and hard-fought. The chassis and engine package is great, the drivers are very good, but obviously a lack of funds hence not many upgrades in the second half, is what will limit their chances.

Toro Rosso sixth, but they'll be the third or fourth best package in the early part of the season, on several tracks. James Key's fine car will at some point be held back by the engine. (2015-engine)
Really close between the drivers this year too, but it is Verstappen who has that one stand-out drive.

McLaren seventh. Improved, but still an embarassment sadly. They'll have the same challenges as in '15; the Honda PU lacks power and is not reliable enough. The second half is when they make their season.

Haas eight. I feel they have to come eight, 'cause a lot is lined up for them! Grosjean carries the team as good as on his own when it comes to scoring points and having that handful of impressive qualifyings.

Sauber ninth. A decent car with a good engine of course, but the drivers will be the deciding factor. Being beaten by Haas will have Peter Sauber and Kaltenborn spitting the dummy on a few occasions.

Renault tenth! I'm not at all sure but I feel they've made a hack job of integrating their own PU into the chassis. I hope I am wrong.
Magnussen will absolutely destroy Palmer.

Manor last, but they will be in the game this year.

Edited by MortenF1, 03 March 2016 - 22:35.

[TyreSmokeDownshift]

My predictions for the following motorsport in 2016:

 

 

F1 - Same order as last year (Mercedes domination) with some changes in the lower areas (some teams moving up a space).

 

GP2 - An absolute bloodbath for the title between Evans, Marciello, Lynn, Sirotkin, Matsushita and possibly the likes of Rowland and Ghiotto. More variety of victories (driver-wise) than last year (given that Vandoorne is no longer in the field).

 

GP3 - A fight for the title between Nyck de Vries and Charles Leclerc with the likes of Palou, Fuoco, Parry, Aitken, Jorg and Hughes possibly getting involved.

 

Formula Renault 2.0 series - Lando Norris takes one (or possibly both) title.

 

European Formula 3 - Lance Stroll dominates proceedings and takes the title. Rookie Champion title fought between Hubert, Aron, Beckmann, Zhou, Kari and Piquet.

 

 

Those are my predictions and if you don't like them I have others.

Edited by TyreSmokeDownshift, 02 March 2016 - 06:11.

[Marklar]

Time for some embarrassments

1. Mercedes: Stil much ahead, but not that much. Hamilton ahead of Rosberg, eventhought not so dominant like this year most of the time

I say I got this almost right.

2. Ferrari: I expect improvements, but not as much as last year. Vettel could be fight until the last race for the championship, however. He will beat Kimi by a big margin, who will retire after that.

EPIC FAIL

3. Red Bull: Unlike others I expect that Renault will make improvements. Therefore I expect Red Bull to be ahead again of Williams due to their superior chassis and better organization. Ricciardo to beat Kvat, eventhough they will be performance-wise more closer.

That team battle...But I believed in Renault!

4. Williams: A radical new approach will ensure them to stay ahead of Force India and others, it wont be enough for Red Bull though. Bottas to convincly beat Massa.

LOL. At least I got the team battle right

5. McLaren: I expect the Honda engine to be massively improve which will put them at least on par with Renault. They might be even able to threat Williams. Alonso to beat Button

The engine thing is debatable...

6. FI: I expect the team to switch fast to the 2017 development which will hurt them. Hulkenberg to fight back against Perez.

I'm a idiot

7. Renault: After a tough start I expect big improvements throughout the season. As already said I also expect that the engine will be reasonable. If they are changing the current driver line-up I also believe that they will beat Toro Rosso. Otherwise it will be difficult. Palmer will be slightly ahead of Maldonado if the pairing stays.

Define big improvements

8. Toro Rosso: The 2015 Ferrari PU should be stronger than the 2016 Renault. However, the late announcement plus probably different fuel will hurt them. I also expect a difficult year for both drivers, which is natural. They will be closer together and Max will be again ahead.

Sorry to the drivers

9. Haas: After a clumpsy start Haas will establish themselve in F1. Grosjean will score almost all points and beat Gutierez more clearly than Maldonado.

They did exactly the opposite at the start though.

10. Sauber: Will have a hard season considering the rule changes in 2017 in mind. It will be a fight between them and Haas and occasionally with Manor. Nasr ahead of Ericsson.

Sauber fighting Haas? Well, sometimes maybe.

11. Manor: They wont be anymore far away from the field. In fact, I expect them also to score a odd point and occasionally beat Haas or Sauber, especially at the season start.

Now that looks like something!

To be fair it isnt that bad for a december prediction

Edited by Marklar, 29 November 2016 - 02:56.

[noikeee]

Oh god, why.
 

With people bored coming into the off-season there's been quite a few threads this week about what people think will happen next year. However they're all about specific teams or subjects (ex who will win is it Mercedes or Ferrari, how good will be Haas etc) and it's scattered all over the forum. I reckon we could just concentrate everything in one big thread we could ressurect in one year so we can all have pies in our faces.
 
So please give us your expected ranking of teams in the 2016 WCC, and any other random predictions. Could be anything from "I think McLaren will win all 21 races" to "Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg will reveal themselves as secret lovers".
 
Here's my ranking as I posted somewhere else:
 
1. Mercedes - how surprising I got this right
2. Ferrari - nah, nowhere near
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3. Williams - uhm, no.
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4. Aston Martin - actually spot on except for "Aston Martin" coming in
5. Red Bull - no, they were far better
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6. McLaren - think that's spot on
7. Toro Rosso - same
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8. Renault - finished 9th. think that's ok.
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9. Sauber - nope, worse
10. Manor - so close, they were last but not crap
11. Haas - we all underrated the crap out of them
 
And my predictions:
 
- Ferrari to close down a large part of the gap to Mercedes and win some 6 or 7 races, but Mercedes to still be a step ahead. Hamilton claims a 4th championship as Rosberg's advantage "misteriously" disappears again. Vettel takes the championship challenge to the penultimate race where Hamilton is crowned champion, but still beats Rosberg to 2nd in the standings.
 
I'm still waiting for Ferrari to close down the gap. Rosberg 3rd behind Lewis and Vettel? Uh, nope.
 
- Raikkonen to retire at the end of the season after another underwhelming year.
 
Bloody hell I was very wrong on that!
 
- Williams to push Massa into retirement at the end of the season, despite him still remaining close to Bottas and not wanting to retire himself.
 
Massa did retire, but apparently out of his own decision. So not too bad.
 
- Hulkenberg and Perez to take turns as the leading Aston Martin driver and be hyped as best thing since Fangio, despite languishing several positions back when they're on bad form.
 
Not far off, but Perez was clearly better. People do think he's some kind of Fangio.
 
- Red Bull to start quite uncompetitive after their design of the 2016 car was severely compromised by the undecision regarding engines. As the season goes on they improve dramatically, and nail a win after all Mercedes and Ferrari cars retire in a freak race later in the year. Ricciardo beats Kvyat on points this time but it's not a huge gap.
 
Max did get a win after both Mercedes punted each other out. Dead wrong on Red Bull being poor and Kvyat being close to Ricciardo.
 
- McLaren to improve consideraly, specially in the reliability of the Honda engine, but to still remain quite underwhelming for a works team with 2 world champion drivers. Scores points regularly and gets 1 podium by Alonso as their best result. At the end of the season Button makes way for Vandoorne,
 
So far absolutely spot on other than the podium.
 
but still remains in F1 as either the lead driver at Aston Martin or Renault, or next to Bottas at Williams.
 
... but nope. Button's gone gardening
 
- Verstappen dominates Sainz and impresses enough to force Red Bull to promote him at the end of the season.
 
... it came a bit sooner than that
 
This means Kvyat is out of a contract and becomes lead driver at either Aston Martin or Renault.
 
Nope.
 
- Renault to have an horrendous start but to improve considerably as the year goes on, mostly thanks to the engine. However they keep all their cards for the 2017 rule changes and the aero on the car doesn't improve much itself. At the end of the year Maldonado's funding runs out and they hire either Button, Kvyat, or Rosberg if he falls out with Mercedes, as their star driver for a serious attack to 2017.
 
Completely wrong other than their horrendous start... which continued.
 
- Sauber to remain pretty shitty as they've got loads of financial issues to sort despite Nasr and Ericsson's large monetary input. They're almost caught by Manor.
 
Spot on!

- Manor to just miss out on catching Sauber at the start of the year, but their push to improve at the start of the year is momentary and by the end of the season they're overtaken by Haas.
 
I was right that Manor would improve a lot but the rest doesn't make sense
 
Speaking of Haas, they become a very respectable team for a first year, are much more competitive than Caterham/Manor/HRT were at first, but still tend to finish last.
 
They were quite a bit better than that.

- The only driver changes midseason are at Manor for a random paydriver, everyone else retains their drivers.
 
That was actually almost spot on, if we ignore the Max/Kvyat swap. Not sure about Ocon being a "random paydriver" though
 
- CVC sells Formula 1
 
Woah, spot on!
 
and Bernie Ecclestone finally retires from the sport.
 
Nope, he's on his 27th life by now but still hanging on.
 
- Red Bull to sell Toro Rosso late in the year

Wrong.
 
, and the main team later midway through 2017, both to separate businessmen or companies.

We'll see about that.

 
 
 
That was actually not too terrible. Not Nostradamus level, and some were way off, but I was quite close to some events that happened.

[ConsiderAndGo]

HAHA!

 

1. Mercedes (Easy)
2. Ferrari  (within 0.3 of a second, consistently) (So, so wrong!)

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3. Williams (Much worse)

4. Red Bull (Wrong, way better. Not sure what I was thinking?)
5. FI / Aston Martin (Boom)

6. Toro Rosso (Not bad)

7. Sauber (Wow, so wrong)

8. McLaren (Sorry Mclaren, should have expected a little better!)

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9. Haas (Like everyone, I massively underrated Haas)

10. Renault (Not too bad, got better as the season ended)

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11. Manor (Spot on)

 

 

Other stuff:

 

 - Raikkonen to retire at the end of the season due to further lackluster performances.Verstappen to replace him for 2017.(LOL! How wrong could I have been? Wishful thinking...)

 - Hamilton to destroy Rosberg. Rosberg leaves the team at the end of the season after a big fall out. (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!)

 - Bottas is just as boring, and continues to state "We can challenge for a podium" after every P2 session, when realistically, he can't. (So right)

 - Renault's return is just awful. Consistently beaten by Haas. (BOOM)

 - We lose Monza.(Thankfully, we didn't. Came close, though...)

 - Grosjean to shine at Haas. (Yep)

 - Mclaren to be better, but still poor. (Yep)

 - Teams choosing their own tires is a massive success. (Yep)

 

Think I win, so far....

[sopa]

Haha. Okay, let's see then.

 

- Mercedes #1 Yeah

 

- Ferrari #2, but like in 2013, they decide that beating the best team is too much of a task and concentrate on developing 2017 car through mid-season. Not sure about concentrating on 2017 early, but they lost their #2 to a vast-improved Red Bull. Still clear edge over the rest though.

 

- Williams and Red Bull have a close fight. Renault/Tag Heuer-whatever PU will be slightly more competitive in 2016, but still behind the best. I must say the Renault PU surprised me this year. RBR clearly better than that. Also I was unsure, how much of a handicap lack of "works team" status would be, but Red Bull proved you don't need it.

Williams - worse than that.

 

- Verstappen to put in a "Vettel 2008" kind of season, minus a win (though probably a podium). Toro Rosso has a neat chassis and an outdated Ferrari PU may not be worse than the Renault PU. Max will be more experienced to capitalize on the results sheet. Hmm... Good to wonder, what Max could have done in STR, had he driven there all year. Would have been clearly inside top 10 in the drivers championship and scored plenty of points. Never saw that... He did win though, but not in STR, but RBR.   

 

- Force India/Aston Martin solid point scorer as per usual, top 6 in WCC. Top6 for sure, a very conservative estimation. More like 4th.   

 

- McLaren slightly better and regularly in minor points. Alonso wrings the speed out of the car and ends up in top 10 in WDC, Button slightly lags behind. Alonso actually did end up 10th in the WDC lol. Button suffered some unluck and wasn't "slightly behind" in points.

 

- Sauber. Some good races, but otherwise modest. Like this year. Umm, worse. They repeated their 2014.

 

- Renault, meh. A Sauber-2014 kind of season. They even don't have a driver to challenge the opposition. Unless Maldonado has an odd 2012-Spain-kind of moment. I don't know about Sauber-2014-kind-of season, because Renault actually did score points. Maybe more like Lotus-2014-kind-of season. Maldonado? He wasn't there any more.   

 

- Haas slightly better than Manor, but otherwise they'll be at the back. Some 3-4 seconds off the ultimate (Mercedes) pace. Haas along with Red Bull biggest surprises of the season to me. Clearly exceeded the expectations for a new team. And actually Manor surprised as well, they were genuinely threating the pack, but instead of Haas their rivals turned out to be Sauber and occasionally Renault instead.

Edited by sopa, 29 November 2016 - 12:27.

[JeePee]

1. Ferrari (one can hope)

2. Mercedes (close battle with Ferrari but the 2 prima donna's will crack)

3. Aston Martin

4. Toro Rosso (the F2015 unit will be better than the Renault 2016. James Key's chassis will be top notch)

5. Red Bull

6. Williams (they're on a decline)

7. Mclaren

8. Renault

9. Sauber

10. Haas

11. Manor

I won't even comment on my own predictions 

[kimister]

Please open a new topic of it's 2017 version on thursday (1st December)   It looks entertaining. I have some tasty predictions for next year lol

[sopa]

If anyone feel ashamed about their 2016 predictions, then just wait for 2017. With big rule changes it is also a BIG opportunity to get it properly wrong.   

[Balnazzard]

What I WISH to see:

Ferrari and Kimi surprising everyone, its very tight battle between both Mercedes and Ferrari drivers to the last race, reminding of 2007 season, and in the end The Iceman retires as 2 times World Champion. (hey Im allowed to dream )

Prediction:

1.Mercedes: Rosberg drives his best season yet and wins the championship, Hamilton does not have as good season as in 2014/15, but takes the championship fight to the last 2 races. (Well would you look at that )

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2.Ferrari: Slightly closer to Mercedes. Kimi drivers much better than in 2014/2015, winning 1-2 races, but is no match to Vettel (who wins 3-5 races) in qualifying, thus getting the 2nd best strategy for the races. The gap between them in the end is 30-60 points.Either way no matter how well Kimi might do in 2016 the decision to retire at the end of the season has been likely already made by the man himself and Ferrari has already made their decision for the replacement for 2017. (Well atleast I got Kimi being closer to Vettel right, I quess I was one of the few ppl here who still believed in Kimi . Positive that he stayed for atleast 1 more year, really disappointing however that Ferrari fall back behind Red Bull)

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3-5 Williams, Red Bull and Force India/Aston Martin....not necessarily in this order, all 3 teams will be VERY close to eachother, Williams likely starting the season better, but falling behind a bit during the season. (Well Red Bull really improved more massively than I thought, but atleast I got Force India and Williams somewhat right )
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6-8 Renault, Toro Rosso, Mclaren...again not necessarily in this order. I very much doubt that Mclaren-Honda is able to do giant leap next season, but significant improvement nonetheless, constantly finishing on points. The car/powerunit is far more reliable and faster, but still lacks performance and podiums, let alone wins are still but a dream for Alonso and Button. (Mclaren spot on, Renault less so)

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9-11. Sauber, Haas, Manor: Manor definitely the last, but Haas might be in front of Sauber, either way both teams manage to only score around 10 to 25 points over the season. Manor is lucky to score even once. (Well Haas propably did better than anyone expected at the beginning of the season...Sauber obviously really fell behind almost losing to Manor, didnt expect that)

Overall pretty good I think Especially with the predictions of Rosberg and Kimi, but again biggest "mistakes" were Ferrari's and Red Bull's performance and Mercedes were still pretty far ahead compared to rest.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Oh no. I looked at my 2016 prediction and I feel so down 

 

My Prediction for the first four races of the season:

 

• Mercedes-Ferrari

• RedBull-McLaren

• ToroRosso-ForceIndia

• Williams-Sauber-Haas

• Manor-Renault

[danmills]

 

1. Ferrari (Vettel WDC. Kimi to retire. Grosjean thinks its his seat. Verstappen/Perez in the frame. Kimi signs another year out of nowhere).

2. Mercedes (Hamilton title chase to the finale. WCC. Rosberg toys out the pram after he nearly loses WCC in race incident squabble. Verstappen hounded with money to skip the RBR stage).

3. Force India (solid year. Perez out. Rosberg/Button approached. Perez back in. Dave Richards denies links all year, then crops up championing Button and his old chums at AMR. Button announces retirement right after the hype.  Perez back in and after all the fannying about nothing has actually changed).

4. Toro Rosso (as closely match to FI as the front two, but experience wins. Verstappen to get at least one podium. Mercedes consider big money and trading Ocon for Max).

5. Williams (boring. steady. stalemate. Massa to retire. Perez flirts with the idea of moving. Williams talks to Rosberg and Nasr. Rosberg returns to Grove.

6. McLaren (on the up. flashes of brilliance, but still teething troubles. Point snappers by Europe. Button to join Webber. Alonso to consider retirement. Grosjean signs for McLaren out of thin air).

7. Red Bull (Engine. Engine. Engine. Crappy year, then announces the secret hanger project has been own brand engine work with VW. Red Bull Porsche is born). 

8. Haas (Grosjean to make Q3 at least once. Magnusson appears).

9. Sauber (squabbling with Haas).

10. Manor (crazy race where they nab a few points and keeps them ahead of Renault until the end. Ocon tries to be pimped out here too).

11. Renault (see you in 2017).

 

I just ate a full tube of prawn cocktail pringles. My thung ith thingling.

 

[BRG]

January:  Bernie makes crass statement

 

March: Bernie makes crass statement

 

June:  Bernie makes crass statement 

 

November:  Bernie makes crass statement 

 

December:  Bernie is forcibly retired by CVC, who appoint Sepp Blatter as the new 'Mr Clean' to reform the sport.

Some of my predictions weren't SO far off the mark.....