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#1 myattitude

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 22:51

This is fun for me to imagine. Here are a few:

 

Montoya racing in the 1995 Ferrari V12. Now THAT would have been a championship battle with MS!

Prost "the Professor" would be interesting to see how he'd get on in Formula Pirelli, maybe 2012, with all the tyre management that went on.

I'd like to see Schumi and Alonso swap cars in 2006. I think Schumi would have walked it, but I'd like to see it to be sure.

Speaking of those two, MS 2000 in a 2012 Ferrari alongside Alonso, or 2012 FA in a 2000 Ferrari along side MS.

Hamilton racing in a 1991 Mclaren championship against Senna.

Montoya and Mansell racing for the championship in the 1992 Williams in a battle of the lions.

 

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#2 kamikaze1

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 22:59

Schumacher in the Minardi, back in early 00's when the idea was bandied about that every driver races for each team in the season.  Not sure many will remember that one! :D And here we are thinking F1 is in a bad way.  It's always been in a bad way!. 



#3 Marklar

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 23:26

Alonso in the 2014/15 Mercedes alongside Hamilton

#4 Marklar

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 23:38

I would have loved to know how the likes of Vettel or Hamilton would have act in the V10+refuelling+flat out racing era. Also interesting how the likes of Mansell or Senna would have defeated in todays era with less harder to drive cars, but an focus of efficiency and without big technical driving aids as such. I would have also loved to know if young Schumacher would have been able to beat the current generation in these cars.

I have not a particular dream about driver/teams combos (just a few), but I'm curious to know in general what drivers would have done in different eras with different rules and different opponents

#5 jonpollak

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 23:41

Greg Moore @ Penske.
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#6 Topsu

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 00:26

Bottas/Hamilton in a dominant car.



#7 KingTiger

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 01:27

Hamilton in 2006 McLaren. He would've won multiple races with it.



#8 dierome1987

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 01:38

JPM in any of the early 00s Ferraris and the MP4-22 (Mark Hughes said the car and the Bridgestone tyres would have fit his driving style perfectly)

Alonso in the MP4-20 (just to see how quick that car really was)

#9 AustinF1

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 04:22

Alonso in the RB6-9 alongside Vettel.

 

Petter Solberg in any of the Citroens Sebastian Loeb drove.



#10 FPV GTHO

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 05:41

Webber in the 2003 Williams

#11 Jimisgod

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 06:56

Bottas/Hamilton in a dominant car.

 

Eh, the way Bottas is barely ahead of Massa makes me think it would be no different to Hamilton-Rosberg.

 

Some variation of Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso and Ricciardo in teams together is what I want.



#12 JeePee

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 07:14

Petter Solberg in any of the Citroens Sebastian Loeb drove.

 

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#13 messy

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 07:50

I wish we'd seen someone of the calibre of Alonso or Kimi in the 2012 Sauber C31. That was a race-winning car in the right hands, an example of a team that got it right with new regs and Sergio Perez came very close to winning in it. There were suspicions that year that it was much better than the works Ferrari, could Alonso actually have won the WDC driving it? I reckon he might have. I'd add the 1998 Benetton-Playlife as another car that could have won numerous races. 



#14 AustinF1

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 08:01

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I meant the works car, but yeah...



#15 lustigson

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 08:10

Bellof in a 1985 Ferrari.

 

Senna in 1996-1998 Ferraris. 



#16 GoldenColt

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 08:15

Hamilton in the 2012/2013 Lotus. He would have dragged that car into much better grid positions than Kimi and this combined with the car's amazing racepace would have been interesting to watch.  



#17 muramasa

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 08:18

 

Kubica in good team defo



#18 Marklar

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:10

One good driver (Alonso, Hamilton) in the Williams FW34 would be another wish. I'm stil convinced that with a good driver a few more podium visits and maybe even wins would have been possible.

#19 SenorSjon

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:46

Schumacher vs Hakinnen in the 98-99 McLaren.



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#20 lustigson

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:52

Schumacher vs Hakinnen in the 98-99 McLaren.

 

That's actually what I envisioned post-Senna versus Schumacher:smoking:



#21 Kev00

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:31

I wish we'd seen someone of the calibre of Alonso or Kimi in the 2012 Sauber C31. That was a race-winning car in the right hands, an example of a team that got it right with new regs and Sergio Perez came very close to winning in it. There were suspicions that year that it was much better than the works Ferrari, could Alonso actually have won the WDC driving it? I reckon he might have. I'd add the 1998 Benetton-Playlife as another car that could have won numerous races.

Kimi haha. Kimi probably had the best car over the the course of that year. If Kimi scored over 200 points in that lotus then Alonso or Vettel would have scored 350+ and had multiple wins.

#22 Anderis

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:32

Hulkenberg in any car capable of wins, but not dominant, between 2011-2014.

 

Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel in 2012 Sauber.



#23 RedBaron

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:35

Schumacher - Ferrari 2007 and 2008.

 

9WDC



#24 JeePee

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:41

Schumacher - Ferrari 2007 and 2008.

 

9WDC

I guess that would mean Kimi was still in a Mclaren in 2007 and that would have been one hell of a fight  :up:



#25 messy

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:42

It's really fashionable to knock Kimi at the moment, but in 2012/13 for Lotus, he was really good.



#26 Kev00

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:52

It's really fashionable to knock Kimi at the moment, but in 2012/13 for Lotus, he was really good.


That lotus car was outstanding. So often Kimi disappointed in qualifying. Given a strong teammate he would have been beaten easily.

#27 Jon83

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:55

Webber and Button in a Ferrari.



#28 Jon83

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:56

That lotus car was outstanding. So often Kimi disappointed in qualifying. Given a strong teammate he would have been beaten easily.

 

Complete guesswork. He had loads of podiums, especially in 2012.

 

Yes, they had a very good car but it was never the best.

 

I agree about qualifying (some of the time) but I think suggesting a strong teammate would have beaten him easily is as far fetched as it gets.



#29 as65p

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:07

Complete guesswork. He had loads of podiums, especially in 2012.

 

Yes, they had a very good car but it was never the best.

 

I agree about qualifying (some of the time) but I think suggesting a strong teammate would have beaten him easily is as far fetched as it gets.

More far-fetched than assuming he lost it all over the winter 2013/14?



#30 Henri Greuter

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:11

Gilles Villeneuve in whatever post 1982 F1 car

 

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#31 MikeV1987

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:25

Kubica to Ferrari, as Alonso's team mate. Tbh I think it would have been a pretty close fight.


Edited by MikeV1987, 09 December 2015 - 11:42.


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Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:28

I wish we'd seen someone of the calibre of Alonso or Kimi in the 2012 Sauber C31. That was a race-winning car in the right hands, an example of a team that got it right with new regs and Sergio Perez came very close to winning in it. There were suspicions that year that it was much better than the works Ferrari, could Alonso actually have won the WDC driving it? I reckon he might have. I'd add the 1998 Benetton-Playlife as another car that could have won numerous races. 

 

Massa had an abysmal season with Ferrari, with not even half of Alonso's points. Despite that Massa still scored nearly as much points as both Sauber drivers put together. I very much doubt the Sauber was even close to the Ferrari over the whole year, yet alone fast enough to be a realistic title contender even in the best of hands.
 



#33 chunder27

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:31

Henri beat me to it, Gilles in anything.

And I was just too young to see the turbo cars live, something that when you see the footage of them qualifying at Brands or Silverstone pains me!

Munari in a Statos would be nice. Never saw Wayne Rainey in a 500 GP which pains me immenesely.

And being silly, would love to have been at Doningtin for the pre war Silver Arrows

Or to watxh either 80 sports cars or 70s F1 at the North Loop.

#34 Jon83

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:38

More far-fetched than assuming he lost it all over the winter 2013/14?

 

He didn't lose it all. He has had a pretty poor couple of seasons with the odd very good race.

 

Anyway we are well off-topic here so have nothing else to say about it.



#35 noikeee

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:54

Definitely Kubica in a Ferrari, and Alonso next to Hamilton in Mercedes, both as previously suggested. We never got to see Kubica's true worth, and it would've been fantastic for the sport to see a Hamilton/Alonso rematch in an otherwise boring dominant car. The Hamilton/Alonso rivalry looked like the story of a decade when it arrived in 2007 but then it never developed.
 
Heidfeld as a #2 in a top team, possibly McLaren next to Hamilton in 2008-2009 instead of Kovalainen, always thought he would've made the perfect #2, and at the time he was at the top of his game.
 
Pierluigi Martini and Stefano Modena at some stage of their careers having a season for Ferrari, those were two highly talented Italian drivers even with some pretty serious flaws.
 
Likewise, Derek Warwick wasn't a world champion level driver but deserved one chance in a race-winning car. I'd have put him in the 1989-1991 Williams instead of Patrese or Boutsen.
 
Jacques Villeneuve to Ferrari next to Schumacher around 1999-2002. Ultimately Jacques faded into a disappointing driver, but at the time it would've been a far spicier situation to follow than watching Rubens or Irvine in those cars.
 
António Felix da Costa in a Toro Rosso (obviously). Ultimately Kvyat proved worthy of that seat but I still wish we had seen what he was capable of.
 
Along the same lines, a return of Vergne, why not in the current Ferrari as he was their test driver. He was almost as good as Ricciardo, let's see what happens when he's paired with Vettel. I reckon he'd give a much closer fight than Kimi and maybe even win a race here and there.
 
Another lost talent - Robin Frijns in a Formula 1 race seat. Baffling why it didn't happen. It's hard to see a perfect fit for him in the grid though, I'd randomly give him Massa's seat as I don't think Massa's that exciting to watch anymore and that Williams is quality. Actually why don't we shuffle the whole grid at the moment, all the top teams have retained their duos, that's just boring.

Edited by noikeee, 09 December 2015 - 11:58.


#36 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 12:19

Alonso in the 2014/15 Mercedes alongside Hamilton

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM   :smoking: 



#37 ElJefe

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 12:26

Senna in a Ferrari of course. 



#38 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 12:28

I would like to see five front runner teams very close in terms of performance battling right from the start till the finish.



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:07

Massa had an abysmal season with Ferrari, with not even half of Alonso's points. Despite that Massa still scored nearly as much points as both Sauber drivers put together. I very much doubt the Sauber was even close to the Ferrari over the whole year, yet alone fast enough to be a realistic title contender even in the best of hands.
 

 

Yeah, but Felipe Massa was still a WDC runner-up, multiple race winner. If Kobayashi and Perez could at times threaten to really upset the frontrunners in that car, what does that suggest a better/more experienced driver could have achieved in it?

 

The Sauber, Williams and Lotus that year were all extremely good cars. Especially with that Williams - Maldonado (bar Spain) and Senna couldn't even remotely reflect its potential 


Edited by messy, 09 December 2015 - 13:08.


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#40 HP

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:08

Webber and Button in a Ferrari.

booooring ;)



#41 Jon83

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:15

booooring ;)

 

I obviously disagree.

 

I'm not saying the two of them there at the same time. I think Webber would have been a good partner for Alonso and think Button would be equally good alongside Seb.

 

I could imagine both being very popular with the Tifosi.



#42 HP

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:18

Henri beat me to it, Gilles in anything.

And I was just too young to see the turbo cars live, something that when you see the footage of them qualifying at Brands or Silverstone pains me!

Munari in a Statos would be nice. Never saw Wayne Rainey in a 500 GP which pains me immenesely.

And being silly, would love to have been at Doningtin for the pre war Silver Arrows

Or to watxh either 80 sports cars or 70s F1 at the North Loop.

Most front  500 GP riders of that era were awesome. I regret not paying much attention to Eddie Lawson. His riding seemed effortless, boring, but fast. Thankfully for him, he raced in those times. With today's electronics his talent would not have hone so bright

 

Too bad Ago and Rossi drove in very different eras. Would have loved to see how they compare.

 

Fangio in any of todays F1 cars would have been interesting to see too.



#43 WilliamsF1Fan

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:26

Alonso/Hamilton/Vettel in the FW36 or FW37, I think we'd have had one win at least.

Senna in the FW14B.

Bottas against Hamilton in this year's Mercedes to see what level he is actually at (I suspect Hamilton would destroy him, but I would like to be proven wrong).

Montoya in a Championship winning Williams.  

Schumi making the switch to Williams instead of Ferrari... Would the winning era have ended had that happened?



#44 DaddyCool

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:26

Any combinations of Schumi/Kimi/Fred as teammates in the Ferrari/Williams/McLaren in 2003.



#45 chunder27

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:28

HP, great post, a lot of posts like that get lost in the F1 fandom on here.

Ago was often riding a vastly superior bike in his prime. But he was still able to win and beat far younger guys early on and in the latter stages of his career. His wins at the Ring on the MV were simply staggering when 2 strokes were quicker.

 

I never saw Lawson, but he was very smooth, very precise a little boring perhaps. But ask people from the time and they wil tell you he was doing all the things the others were doing, just so well and so accurately you couldnt see!  And I agree, riders of that era are totally lost now. Rossi was the last one and even he is a shadow of his former self in terms of being able to look after a tyre, change his style. Those skills are largely vacant.

 

Riders like Marquez and Lorenzo would have had short careers in 500 racing ( like Cadalora or Kocinski), as they can only ride one way, and if that way does not work they are struggling. Riders like Rainey, Doohan, Roberts had to adapt to all sorts of things without relying on electronics.

 

Horses for courses obviously, you cant compare, but you can simply say that a rider dealt so many different cards and able to win after each one is simply better than one who relies on technicians to do it for him.



#46 DampMongoose

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:35

Moss in the Blue Rob Walker Ferrari he was meant to have in 1962.  Clark in a Lotus 72?  



#47 HP

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:39

I obviously disagree.

 

I'm not saying the two of them there at the same time. I think Webber would have been a good partner for Alonso and think Button would be equally good alongside Seb.

 

I could imagine both being very popular with the Tifosi.

Their driving styles are boring to me. Webber would have been not more than a good side kick next to Alonso. Alonso would have outraced him easily, Button vs Vettel, well it would be of interest to me only to see how Vettel stacks up against him.

 

About them being popular with Tifosi. First they need to win. Button yes, Webber (against Alonso), well.

 

Those being fondly remembered by the Tifosi are not that many. Just take Alonso. It's as if he is already a sidenote now and that with all the winning he did and almost won championship. In general if a driver after leaving seems to remember Ferrari fondly, then the Tifosi liked him. When a driver like Alonso or Prost says negative things while at Ferrari or after leaving Ferrari, then I know somewhere something didn't work out.

 

And neither Webber nor Button are like Mansell or Gilles. They showed tremendous guts and the Tifosi liked them because of this. Schumacher OTOH was liked essentially after he smashed all records together with Ferrari. Well that's IMO what drivers need to be a real success at Maranello. And neither Webber nor Button possess those qualities. They are good elsewhere, no doubt. But for their sake I am happy that they never made it o drive for Ferrari.



#48 messy

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:47

On a non-F1 note I wish we'd got the chance to see Richard Burns in the Subaru he was meant to be driving in 2004. It hadn't quite worked out at Peugeot, sure - although even then he'd regrouped in 2003 and built a genuine title campaign on consistency and scoring heavily everywhere, while Gronholm fell off his perch a bit. But with Subaru he was coming home, it was his team, he'd won the WDC with them the last time he was in their car, they loved him and he had the culture difference of returning to a British team which can't be underestimated. It was all pointing to a very good, exciting move for him and the fans, then bastard cancer intervened. :(



#49 Collombin

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:47

Moss in the Blue Rob Walker Ferrari he was meant to have in 1962.


Bet he would have swapped it for a Lotus 24 pretty sharpish.

#50 sopa

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:56

Yeah, but Felipe Massa was still a WDC runner-up, multiple race winner. If Kobayashi and Perez could at times threaten to really upset the frontrunners in that car, what does that suggest a better/more experienced driver could have achieved in it?

 

The Sauber, Williams and Lotus that year were all extremely good cars. Especially with that Williams - Maldonado (bar Spain) and Senna couldn't even remotely reflect its potential 

 

I don't think Massa's performance in 2012 was better than Perez, etc guys.

 

Sauber, Williams were good, but to claim Ferrari was worse than them is very much far-fetched. People have to be realistic in their ratings. Sauber was inconsistent and had bad strategies (compared to Ferrari).

 

Massa despite a rubbish season finished relatively comfortably 7th in WDC, with not much less points than what he achieved in 2010, 2011 or 2013.