First part:
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Posted 13 December 2015 - 16:58
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Posted 13 December 2015 - 17:20
As there is no new season do we really need silly threads like these ?
Posted 13 December 2015 - 17:22
I would rename it into "Who will be in the Manor cockpits in 2016?" or something like that as these are the last unresolved prospects.
Posted 13 December 2015 - 17:28
Marklar, on 11 Dec 2015 - 13:50, said:
No it isnt. We always had paydriver in F1. But in the past whenever a outstanding young driver appeared he immediately found a cockpit regardless if he had more money than the other guy. Nowadays you can be even the next big thing but unless you have money or RB support you wont get a cockpit.
That's complete nonsense, star prospects have always missed out - Wirdheim,,Jorg Muller just to pick out f3000 champions or never got a proper chance like Mike Thackwell
Rubbish alonso was and still is a pay driver so what you are saying is that there is no good pay drivers out there
Posted 11 December 2015 - 13:01
Marklar, on 11 Dec 2015 - 12:36, said:
Vandoorne gets no cockpit, but Haryanto. Without being disrespectfull it shows how f*** up this system is
Thats always be the case in any sport they all talk a good game about bringing in young talent but the oap's wont budge for them, Its nothing new and wont change.
Posted 13 December 2015 - 19:58
Marklar, on 11 Dec 2015 - 13:50, said:
That's complete nonsense, star prospects have always missed out - Wirdheim,,Jorg Muller just to pick out f3000 champions or never got a proper chance like Mike Thackwell
Rubbish alonso was and still is a pay driver so what you are saying is that there is no good pay drivers out there
Posted 11 December 2015 - 13:01
Marklar, on 11 Dec 2015 - 12:36, said:
Your anger should be aimed at McLaren paying £30m a year to Alonso & Button to drive around at the back of the grid, sacking Magnusson by email on his birthday and making Vandoorne sit and watch next year.
Paying a 34 year old & a 35 year old ex world champions a fortune to string out the last few miles of their careers, whilst damaging two top youngsters careers is a far bigger issue than another pay driver being on the grid.
Thats always be the case in any sport they all talk a good game about bringing in young talent but the oap's wont budge for them, Its nothing new and wont change.
Magnussen had his chance, he wasn't fast enough, so thankfully McLaren dropped him.
Posted 13 December 2015 - 21:03
Magnussen had his chance, he wasn't fast enough, so thankfully McLaren dropped him.
That is absurdly harsh.
So by the looks of it, Manor will be Wehlein / Haryanto. Pfffff... at least Pascal is a champ.
Posted 13 December 2015 - 21:21
Wait a minute.... Alonso is a pay-driver??
How??!!
That is absurdly harsh.
Is it though, consider how cut throat top level sports are? Jenson clearly out performed him. Excluding DNF's, 8 of 17 times Jenson finished more than 2 places ahead. Granted he may deserve a F1 seat, but not with McLaren if McLaren are looking for the next best thing. I think if you are a Ferrari/Mercedes/McLaren and you have a young driver, IMO you should expect them to consistently challenge your established driver in season 1.
Edited by Nathan, 13 December 2015 - 21:33.
Posted 13 December 2015 - 22:57
In terms of McLaren admittedly Magnussen was not good enough at that time. But it's such a shame that he can't make it in F1. I think pace wise he was as close to Button as Perez was, even though it was his first season in F1. He would fit comfortably in a Williams, Force India or Renault in my opinion.Magnussen had his chance, he wasn't fast enough, so thankfully McLaren dropped him.
Posted 13 December 2015 - 23:13
Well he still has time, and one would think the time spent at McLaren would be valuable to lesser teams.
One thing regarding the Perez comparison, he did poorly because of how he approached things mentally. Does Kevin suffer the same? There are many things needed from a driver that we don't see.
Posted 13 December 2015 - 23:27
We are offtopic now...
However, you have to put Magnussens rookie season into perspective: he was starting his career against one of the best drivers. He stil beat Button in qualifying and up until the midseason he was almost matching him in the race. Then FRIC was banned and the radio clampdown got introduced. These are big chances for such a young driver. And dont forget the pressure: Magnussen was McLaren own junior. Failing there and his F1 career is basically over.
Wait a minute.... Alonso is a pay-driver??
How??!!
He was at his debut, but it wasnt that much anyway and he got the cockpit because he was much faster than the other drivers in a Minardi shoot-out.
And some people are also ironically refering to him as a paydriver because Santander payed his salary when he signed with Ferrari.
Edited by Marklar, 13 December 2015 - 23:33.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 04:01
We are offtopic now...
However, you have to put Magnussens rookie season into perspective: he was starting his career against one of the best drivers. He stil beat Button in qualifying and up until the midseason he was almost matching him in the race.
I just have to comment about qualifying. I believe head to head qualifying is 10-9 to Button's advantage. People seems mistaken head to head vs starting position. Starting position is 10-9 to Magnussen's advantage. But Button finished ahead of Magnussen 14-3. Anyway, Mag wasn't bad, but this thing just shows us that rookies shouldn't be put directly in a top team or vs a top driver. Rookies should develop his craft first in the low-midfield team and prove their abilities there. Ham can immediately perform because he got countless hours of testing.
Continuing on the off topic trend, I'm really sad by the Indonesian people only dissing Sean Gelael (another Indonesian driver currently in GP3.5?) and praising Haryanto. The problem seems because the people perception that Gelael was competing because his dad is rich, thus a pay driver (his dad is the one that holds KFC rights in Indonesia + other businesses). I personally don't want to see either of them in F1 because frankly they aren't good enough and both make it purely because gobs of money poured in them. If you asked me, I dislike Haryanto more not because of his skill (he is better than Gelael), but because he is using money from national companies (although not directly using money from the Indonesian government, but in the end the money made from national companies goes to the government) therefor it can be said that that Indonesian people paying for Haryanto to drive, which I definitely won't do. As is it right now, a lot of Indonesian people are blinded by the fact that they will have the 1st Indonesian driver in F1 and the majority of people support Haryanto.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 04:21
I just have to comment about qualifying. I believe head to head qualifying is 10-9 to Button's advantage. People seems mistaken head to head vs starting position. Starting position is 10-9 to Magnussen's advantage. But Button finished ahead of Magnussen 14-3. Anyway, Mag wasn't bad, but this thing just shows us that rookies shouldn't be put directly in a top team or vs a top driver. Rookies should develop his craft first in the low-midfield team and prove their abilities there. Ham can immediately perform because he got countless hours of testing.
Continuing on the off topic trend, I'm really sad by the Indonesian people only dissing Sean Gelael (another Indonesian driver currently in GP3.5?) and praising Haryanto. The problem seems because the people perception that Gelael was competing because his dad is rich, thus a pay driver (his dad is the one that holds KFC rights in Indonesia + other businesses). I personally don't want to see either of them in F1 because frankly they aren't good enough and both make it purely because gobs of money poured in them. If you asked me, I dislike Haryanto more not because of his skill (he is better than Gelael), but because he is using money from national companies (although not directly using money from the Indonesian government, but in the end the money made from national companies goes to the government) therefor it can be said that that Indonesian people paying for Haryanto to drive, which I definitely won't do. As is it right now, a lot of Indonesian people are blinded by the fact that they will have the 1st Indonesian driver in F1 and the majority of people support Haryanto.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 07:24
Posted 14 December 2015 - 08:06
The only rookies that can develop at a lower midfield team are pay drivers, that is the problem. Except for toro rossoI just have to comment about qualifying. I believe head to head qualifying is 10-9 to Button's advantage. People seems mistaken head to head vs starting position. Starting position is 10-9 to Magnussen's advantage. But Button finished ahead of Magnussen 14-3. Anyway, Mag wasn't bad, but this thing just shows us that rookies shouldn't be put directly in a top team or vs a top driver. Rookies should develop his craft first in the low-midfield team and prove their abilities there. Ham can immediately perform because he got countless hours of testing.
Continuing on the off topic trend, I'm really sad by the Indonesian people only dissing Sean Gelael (another Indonesian driver currently in GP3.5?) and praising Haryanto. The problem seems because the people perception that Gelael was competing because his dad is rich, thus a pay driver (his dad is the one that holds KFC rights in Indonesia + other businesses). I personally don't want to see either of them in F1 because frankly they aren't good enough and both make it purely because gobs of money poured in them. If you asked me, I dislike Haryanto more not because of his skill (he is better than Gelael), but because he is using money from national companies (although not directly using money from the Indonesian government, but in the end the money made from national companies goes to the government) therefor it can be said that that Indonesian people paying for Haryanto to drive, which I definitely won't do. As is it right now, a lot of Indonesian people are blinded by the fact that they will have the 1st Indonesian driver in F1 and the majority of people support Haryanto.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 09:13
F1 need teams like toro rosso more then..
but who going to start it how bout Haas? they re more like Sauber or Toro Rosso?
Posted 14 December 2015 - 09:45
Well he still has time, and one would think the time spent at McLaren would be valuable to lesser teams.
One thing regarding the Perez comparison, he did poorly because of how he approached things mentally. Does Kevin suffer the same? There are many things needed from a driver that we don't see.
I like how Perez pretty much gave McLaren the finger when he left do, and he still does. I'd love to see Kevin do the same, he sweet talked McLaren too much
Posted 14 December 2015 - 09:56
I thought I'd re-post my last overview:
Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team
Mercedes F1 W07 Hybrid – Mercedes PU106B Hybrid
Edited by lustigson, 14 December 2015 - 09:58.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 12:15
We will need a silly season 2017 thread soon, Vettel is already lobbying on Kimi's behalf for a 2017 extension at Ferrari: http://www.gptoday.c...ure_Verstappen/
The strange thing is if the results are only slightly better than this year I think Ferrari will probably keep Kimi for 2017.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 12:35
I just realised only 2 teams have any driver changes, and the original thread had 4000 comments. So by my reckoning, including Haas then and assuming Manor have two new drivers, that's 800 posts per change Silly indeed.
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Posted 14 December 2015 - 12:44
We will need a silly season 2017 thread soon
There already is one: http://forums.autosp...ly-season-2017/
Posted 14 December 2015 - 13:13
I just realised only 2 teams have any driver changes, and the original thread had 4000 comments. So by my reckoning, including Haas then and assuming Manor have two new drivers, that's 800 posts per change Silly indeed.
Ha ha, indeed. But that's just counting the driver changes. Regarding engine suppliers, team take-overs and sponsorship there has been a lot more movement, or at least the expectation of a lot of movement.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 15:58
Edited by bulbabubble, 14 December 2015 - 15:58.
Posted 14 December 2015 - 23:09
I doubt seeing Leimer or Ocon at Manor, and Merhi coming back does not look promising.
Posted 15 December 2015 - 15:14
I doubt seeing Leimer or Ocon at Manor, and Merhi coming back does not look promising.
Of course there would be some/many who would say Mehri NOT coming back DOES look promising.
Posted 15 December 2015 - 23:52
We will need a silly season 2017 thread soon, Vettel is already lobbying on Kimi's behalf for a 2017 extension at Ferrari: http://www.gptoday.c...ure_Verstappen/
The strange thing is if the results are only slightly better than this year I think Ferrari will probably keep Kimi for 2017.
The dutch press just keep hammering away with this one eh?
Hoping if they repeat it enough, it will become reality.
I think he's better off staying with RB, there will be room in the main team in the next 2 or 3 years, once they get their power sorted they will be right at the front again.
Posted 16 December 2015 - 08:12
Haryanto is at least a multiple GP2 race winner, on the same kind of level that Max Chilton, Jerome D'Ambrosio and Charles Pic were multiple race winners. All of them also had cash, which is probably the bigger consideration. He's a pretty standard Manor/Marussia second driver signing. If Wehrlein is on the other car then at least he's fairly interesting. Winning the DTM, especially at his age, is no mean feat.
Posted 16 December 2015 - 08:44
I doubt seeing Leimer or Ocon at Manor, and Merhi coming back does not look promising.
Ocon has said he would like DTM next year, doubt he would be saying this if he had a chance in F1 next year
Posted 16 December 2015 - 09:26
The dutch press just keep hammering away with this one eh?
Hoping if they repeat it enough, it will become reality.
I think he's better off staying with RB, there will be room in the main team in the next 2 or 3 years, once they get their power sorted they will be right at the front again.
Except that it isn't Dutch press but Spanish press doing the hammering
http://www.marca.com...1449912882.html
As you can read on Autosport by the way Max is quite relaxed about the Ferrari speculation himself and for now he thinks he is in the perfect place to learn the things he still needs to learn before moving to a top team.
Posted 16 December 2015 - 11:47
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Posted 07 January 2016 - 04:30
Pre Season Test 2016
25-26 Jan : Paul Ricard
I wonder if there is any new 2016 car in this test..
or it is only be like the one in Yas Marina? (Dec)
or Maybe Haas will show? but Ferrari delay their 2016 release..
Posted 07 January 2016 - 05:03
Posted 07 January 2016 - 05:52
Its like the one in december. This time it is a rain tyre test.
Posted 07 January 2016 - 06:09
Posted 12 January 2016 - 23:33
The telegraph trying to resurrect the 2016 silly-season:
Telegraph Sport @TelegraphSport · 5 hrs5 hours ago
Could Magnussen replace Maldonado at Renault? http://www.telegraph...ext-season.html
Magnussen was in the team's Enstone factory - which is transitioning from Lotus to becoming a Renault works outfit - two days last week for talks with senior executives, sources said.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 09:54
The telegraph trying to resurrect the 2016 silly-season:
Telegraph Sport @TelegraphSport · 5 hrs5 hours ago
Could Magnussen replace Maldonado at Renault? http://www.telegraph...ext-season.html
Could be for a test/reserve driver role.
Joe Saward was saying the other day he thinks Haryanto and Magnussen will end up at Manor (which is a pretty strong indication they'll hire someone else ). I'd completely forgotten those seats were still up for grabs! We don't even know what the team name will be...
Whoever's waiting on a Manor seat and doesn't get it, will have their preparation for the 2016 season royally screwed up... this is mid-January, soon seats will be filling up in all series.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 10:01
I am a big Manor fan but I don't know what Fitzpatrick & co are playing about at. Testing is just a month away and they have no team name and no drivers.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 10:05
The telegraph trying to resurrect the 2016 silly-season:
Telegraph Sport @TelegraphSport · 5 hrs5 hours ago
Could Magnussen replace Maldonado at Renault? http://www.telegraph...ext-season.html
Maybe they can ask Monisha how to handle a situation where you might want to get rid of a driver who has already paid for his drive for the upcoming season, she has some experience ;)
Probably just talking about a possible 3rd driver role though.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 10:19
I am a big Manor fan but I don't know what Fitzpatrick & co are playing about at. Testing is just a month away and they have no team name and no drivers.
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Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:07
The joke about Sauber is wearing very, very thin. They were not the team that went bankrupt in a very public way last year; that was Lotus. Actually.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:13
Wanted to say one thing.
Sahara Force India F1 TeamAston Martin Racing (re-branding expected)Force IndiaVJM09Aston Martin DBR7 – Mercedes PU106B Hybrid11. Sergio Pérez (confirmed)27. Nico Hülkenberg (confirmed)
Even if the Force India team gets rebranded, it will surely be called Force India in 2016. If you want to change team name, basically you have to do it a year in advance. That's how we got BMW Sauber Ferrari in 2010! And Jordan was still Jordan in 2005 despite being under new ownership.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:19
I would expect Magnussen to aim at a 2017 Renault seat... but that was his plan for 2016 with McLaren, and that didn't happen. Plus, he said he would be racing somewhere in 2016, so a Manor seat might be what he's going for, now.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:27
Maldonado out and Magnussen in would get me excited about Renault's return in 2016.
Edited by RedBaron, 13 January 2016 - 13:07.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:31
Apparently the car was finished a while ago and the team took a long holiday afte Christmas. They went back to work this week.
That's... bizarre. Work never stops in a F1 team. Not a good sign.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:42
Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:49
That's... bizarre. Work never stops in a F1 team. Not a good sign.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:55
F1 teams have an official monthly holiday in August. Maybe they take a week off around Christmas time, but generally they should be working full-time during the rest of the year. And F1 car is never "finished" with a "finalized design".
Posted 13 January 2016 - 13:07
And F1 car is never "finished".
McLaren's MP4-30 was finished.
Finished
Edited by RedBaron, 13 January 2016 - 13:08.
Posted 13 January 2016 - 13:16
McLaren's MP4-30 was finished.
Finished
Bad wording on my part then.
There is always on-going work on an F1 car. Most of the time it is multiple cars at a time (current season's car and also next year's model).
Windtunnel and CFD programmes are not switched off. You always have to seek for gains not to fall behind competitors.