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#501 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 19:57

I'm afraid. Thats too simple ;)

 

I'm afraid nobody is watching or cares down the back.

 

Us Ricciardo fans saw rookie Ricciardo matching and even beating the experienced and quick Liuzzi, but others refused to even believe the facts in front of them on the timing sheet and labelled Ricciardo a no hoper who should have no place even in Toro Rosso.  :rolleyes:



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#502 messy

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 20:19

People watch the back of the grid pretty closely. The fact that your Jerome D'Ambrosios, Karun Chandhoks and Charles Pics never went anywhere is probably mainly because they weren't up to much in F1. Someone like Jules Bianchi stood out a mile from the second he had that great race performance in Malaysia 2013 - people noticed that big time. You could see that Ricciardo was full of potential. He immediately looked infinitely more exciting than Karthikeyan in that car.

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 20:33

I'm afraid nobody is watching or cares down the back.

 

Us Ricciardo fans saw rookie Ricciardo matching and even beating the experienced and quick Liuzzi, but others refused to even believe the facts in front of them on the timing sheet and labelled Ricciardo a no hoper who should have no place even in Toro Rosso.  :rolleyes:

 

Hang on now... I never rated Liuzzi.

 

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#504 Anja

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 20:38

Hang on now... I never rated Liuzzi.

 

:cool:

 

Wait... Somebody did?



#505 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 20:39

Wait... Somebody did?

 

Pretty sure we can find several if not many on these fora.

 

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#506 Zava

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 21:17

Wait... Somebody did?

Joe Saward?



#507 Jonnycraig37

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 21:23

He immediately looked infinitely more exciting than Karthikeyan in that car.


Although Karthikeyan did lap him in their one race as teammates ;).

#508 Marklar

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 21:41

Joe Saward?

Saward doesnt count

#509 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 22:35

Hang on now... I never rated Liuzzi.

 

:cool:

 

You are wrong though, since Liuzzi is quite good.  :)



#510 Vettelari

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 23:53

If Rossi has to sit out this season I hope he gets on as a 3rd driver on a team where he has a legitimate chance at moving up in 2017. HAAS makes a lot of sense, but they aren't keen on 3rd drivers from what we have heard. I wonder if he has the required dough to get on at Sauber. I would also really like to see RBR give him a chance. If only for the ability to say "Rossi in the Rosso (Toro)".

#511 William Hunt

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 00:19

Here they are saying that Manor is considering to hire Haryanto and Rossi and Stevens with each one getting a contract for 7 races but other sources claim that Stevens is out of the picture so I don't know if there is any truth in it:
http://www.grandprix...-driver-option/

 

On Haas and 3rd drivers, I think they will use Ferrari's Jean-Eric Vergne as their reserve driver.



#512 William Hunt

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 00:20

Force India still needs to hire a 3rd driver / reserve driver (who could do some Friday runs). Maybe Sergey Sirotkin?



#513 Laura23

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 01:40

Here they are saying that Manor is considering to hire Haryanto and Rossi and Stevens with each one getting a contract for 7 races but other sources claim that Stevens is out of the picture so I don't know if there is any truth in it:
http://www.grandprix...-driver-option/

 

On Haas and 3rd drivers, I think they will use Ferrari's Jean-Eric Vergne as their reserve driver.

 

Stevens has been ruled out which quashes that rumour flat. It was never a serious rumour to start with anyway, just a weird idea from a fanblog that the media got hold of.



#514 maximilian

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 01:49

Would have been VERY weird if they opted for Stevens.  Nice bloke, but absolutely no reason for him to get the seat, considering who else is out there.



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Posted 17 February 2016 - 02:11

I thought I had heard that Ferrari is retaining JEV as their 3rd driver/emergency back up for 2016. Maybe I am mistaken. I think HAAS would be Rossi's best shot for now as a 3rd driver. He would be an American on an American team. Plus I REALLY doubt that they will retain GRO/GUT for 17. I could easily see Grosjean moving up after another stellar year and/or GUT being let go after a disappointing year of being beaten in qualifying 21-0.

#516 maximilian

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 02:18

JEV's stock is falling rapidly with his continuously lackluster performances in Formula E.  After making an initial splash there, he has just about used up all the credit earned by now, and needs several really great results ASAP, or he won't even stay in FE (especially with Lopez knocking on the door!)



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Posted 17 February 2016 - 02:33

I will agree with you there, max. Sam Bird is really making JEV look bad lately. I cannot see Peugeot retaining JEV for the entire season while Bird is battling for podiums each week and he cannot manage to consistently finish in the points. Especially considering that the DS Virgin car may be the 2nd fastest car after the Renault with a realistic chance at winning in every race.

#518 GhostR

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 10:59

You really think Caterham had a sim programme etc more like he paid some money to stand in their garage. Never attached to Ferrari either.

He got race seats in junior formulae with Caterham.

Ferrari thing is my bad. Somehow got muddled between Rossi and JEV. I'll use my 5 day old son as a convenient excuse. :-p

#519 Starchild

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 12:16

Force India still needs to hire a 3rd driver / reserve driver (who could do some Friday runs). Maybe Sergey Sirotkin?

They've alredy signed one, he will do 7 friday runs - Alfonso Celis Jr.



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Posted 17 February 2016 - 13:32

There will be a press conference at 15.30 local time 08.30am GMT at the Pertamina offices for the Rio Haryanto annoucement.


Edited by cbbcisace, 17 February 2016 - 13:35.


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Posted 17 February 2016 - 13:33

Finally complete then!



#522 maximilian

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 14:10

Frustrating that Rossi appears to be on the outside looking in again.  He showed some good form last year, and I believe Haas should have taken a chance on him.  I realize they were probably under pressure from Ferrari to take Gutierrez (god knows why!!), but especially given that they signed up Grosjean, they really had some leeway in picking a second driver with much less experience.  Bringing an American team with an American driver would have made a proper splash.  Nobody gives a rat's about Gutierrez.

 

Not sure what's next for Rossi now, whether he'll be in a reserve anywhere, or try to get a ride in... Indycar maybe?  He's too good to be just siting out the season. :(

 

That said, I feel that Haryanto is a decent appointment who will bring loads of new F1 friends in Indonesia and southeast Asia into the picture, so it's not all bad.  We might have a more interesting battle between him and Wehrlein than we think.


Edited by maximilian, 17 February 2016 - 14:11.


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Posted 17 February 2016 - 14:53

Frustrating that Rossi appears to be on the outside looking in again. He showed some good form last year, and I believe Haas should have taken a chance on him. I realize they were probably under pressure from Ferrari to take Gutierrez (god knows why!!), but especially given that they signed up Grosjean, they really had some leeway in picking a second driver with much less experience. Bringing an American team with an American driver would have made a proper splash.


Rossi was a victim of circumstance.

It was no coincedence that weeks after losing his Caterham funding, Rossi found the money to buy an ultimately aborted race seat at Marussia and then several £m for a GP2 seat at a respected team.

The closer Haas got to Ferrari though, a well funded Gutierrez became inevitable, and as soon as Grosjean became available through the turmoil at Lotus, he was too good to turn down.

Personally I don't find it that harsh on Rossi. He's had lots of time now in GP2 & FR3.5 to show himself as an unmissable talent and didn't do it.

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 20:55

Rossi was a victim of circumstance.

It was no coincedence that weeks after losing his Caterham funding, Rossi found the money to buy an ultimately aborted race seat at Marussia and then several £m for a GP2 seat at a respected team.

The closer Haas got to Ferrari though, a well funded Gutierrez became inevitable, and as soon as Grosjean became available through the turmoil at Lotus, he was too good to turn down.

Personally I don't find it that harsh on Rossi. He's had lots of time now in GP2 & FR3.5 to show himself as an unmissable talent and didn't do it.

Second that. He comes across as a nice, sensible bloke with reasonable talent and I would have liked to have him on the grid the most between the three candidates. However, I can't help but think if he were not an American (especially were a South American, Asian or Russian) he'd have been called a classic case of pay driver who spent years in GP2 & FR3.5 to get a chance in a backmarker and people couldn't have cared less. Maybe it speaks more about AFdC's talent than the other way around but FR3.5 2012 season was a shocker to say the least. 


Gasly 'I had contact with Renault F1'


Probably it was for the reserve driver or being part of their driver academy though.

 

"For sure there were contacts,” the 20-year-old said. “Now, I am with Red Bull and that’s what I’ve told [motorsport advisor] Helmut [Marko]: ‘Red Bull started supporting me when I needed it the most. It’s not like everything was going to stop entirely after Eurocup but the following year clearly was a pivotal one in my career."
 
"You never know what can happen in a longer-term perspective. As a French driver, there’s no denying that it’s quite special to see a French team in F1. As of today, it’s way too early to make any plans though."


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Posted 18 February 2016 - 08:57

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/122841

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 09:35

Oh my, with Haryanto's confirmation, it looks like the 2016 silly season is over. :clap:

 

I don't know about you guys, but I feel it has been the longest silly season in quite a while.

 

Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
Mercedes F1 W07 Hybrid – Mercedes PU106C Hybrid
44. Lewis Hamilton (confirmed)
6. Nico Rosberg (confirmed)

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari SF16-H – Ferrari 059/5
5. Sebastian Vettel (confirmed)
7. Kimi Räikkönen (confirmed)

Williams Martini Racing
Williams FW38 – Mercedes PU106C Hybrid
19. Felipe Massa (confirmed; final year of three-year contract)
77. Valtteri Bottas (confirmed)

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing RB12 – TAG Heuer RE16 (re-branded Renault engine)
3. Daniel Ricciardo (confirmed)
26. Daniil Kvyat (confirmed)

Sahara Force India Formula One Team (Aston Martin re-branding unlikely for 2016)
Force India VJM09 – Mercedes PU106C Hybrid
11. Sergio Pérez (confirmed)
27. Nico Hülkenberg (confirmed)

Renault Sport Formula One Team
Renault RS16 – Renault RE16
20. Kevin Magnussen (confirmed)
30. Jolyon Palmer (confirmed)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR11 – Ferrari 059/4
33. Max Verstappen (confirmed)
55. Carlos Sainz (confirmed)

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber C35 – Ferrari 059/5
9. Marcus Ericsson (confirmed)
12. Felipe Nasr (confirmed)

McLaren Honda Formula 1 Team
McLaren MP4-31 – Honda RA616H
14. Fernando Alonso (confirmed)
22. Jenson Button (confirmed)

Manor Racing MRT
MRT MRT05 – Mercedes PU106C Hybrid
94. Pascal Wherlein (confirmed)
88. Rio Haryanto (confirmed)

Haas F1 Team
Haas VF-16 – Ferrari 059/5 (Ferrari partner team, Dallara-built chassis)
8. Romain Grosjean (confirmed)
21. Esteban Gutiérrez (confirmed)

Red = team name
Black = confirmed
Blue = speculated


Edited by lustigson, 23 February 2016 - 09:03.


#527 stewie

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 09:37

As I just said on Autosport's Facebook page, plenty of time for Sauber to sign another driver yet ;-)

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:09

Rossi was a victim of circumstance.

It was no coincedence that weeks after losing his Caterham funding, Rossi found the money to buy an ultimately aborted race seat at Marussia and then several £m for a GP2 seat at a respected team.

The closer Haas got to Ferrari though, a well funded Gutierrez became inevitable, and as soon as Grosjean became available through the turmoil at Lotus, he was too good to turn down.

Personally I don't find it that harsh on Rossi. He's had lots of time now in GP2 & FR3.5 to show himself as an unmissable talent and didn't do it.

Rossi's case is a little strange. He didn't do well enough in the feeder series to stand out as a name that MUST do F1. However he did exceed expectations a little those few GPs he did last year. So to be dropped now is a little harsh.

 

I wanted Manor to retain him instead of hiring Haryanto, but this was always going to be the most logical choice. They've got the lead driver on Wehrlein (though he's inexperienced and there's all those doubts about him that we talked about in previous pages), so the other seat was always going to go to the guy with most cash. Bit risky to go with 2 rookies but it's understandable. It's not as if Rossi was an experienced driver himself anyway.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:35

Oh my, with Haryanto's confirmation, it looks like the 2016 silly season is over. :clap:

 

It's not over yet. We still don't know what number Rio Haryanto will choose.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 11:21

.@ManorRacing also confirms @RHaryantoracing will use 88 as his driver number in #F1 crash.net/f1/news/227692…



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 11:34

It's not over yet. We still don't know what number Rio Haryanto will choose.

Well, that guessing game lasted all of 35 mins △



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 13:34

Why do you think that Wehrlein is the lead driver, just because he was announced first ?

 

OK, so he is the DTM champion and supported by the engine supplier - but apparently not that well funded in cash terms; and he has never driven a large formula car apart from his inconclusive GP2 test last yera.

Against that you have, announced today, a veteran GP2 driver who has driven for several different teams, as well as won races - on top of which he probably brings more money.

 

Am not at all convinced that Wehrlein is necessarily going to be the faster of the two; I expect them to be well matched; but we shall see.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 13:41

The only reason for Mercedes to fund and develop Wehrlein is do that one day he drives for them.
They have race data, test data and simulator data from him for many years. This must indicate to them that he has the potential to one day drive for them at a competitive level.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 13:43

Well whoever proves himself faster will become the lead driver, but I think at this point the pressure/expectations are more on Wehrlein to do just that - as a prospect for a big manufacturer, rightly or wrongly.

 

I doubt either driver will get better equipment than the other in this case, you've got the power of Mercedes behind Wehrlein, and the power of a big fat public money check and an important market behind Haryanto. It's not like last year when Mehri was given a last minute seat almost as an afterthought.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 13:54

Wehrlein drove the Mercedes for the full day at the F1 tyre test in Abu Dhabi in December also, but those times are probably saying even less than the GP2 test times, but they were not too impressive.

But he has clearly driven a large formula car previously.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 14:07

McLaren Honda
McLaren MP4-31 – Honda RA615H Hybrid
14. Fernando Alonso (confirmed)
22. Jenson Button (confirmed)


I think the PU will be called RA616H, 6 is the number of cylinders, 15/16 the year and H stands for Hybrid.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 14:24

Wehrlein drove the Mercedes for the full day at the F1 tyre test in Abu Dhabi in December also, but those times are probably saying even less than the GP2 test times, but they were not too impressive.

But he has clearly driven a large formula car previously.

Not only that,

1 day in 2014 Abu Dhabi test for Merc

2 days in pre 2015 season test for SFI/Merc 

1 day in 2015 Barcelona May test for Merc

2 days in 2015 RBRing June test for Merc/SFI
Before getting promoted as a reserve driver, another day in W03 in September 2014.

 

In termes of mileage in an actual F1 car, he's one of the most prepared drivers I can remember from recent years.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 15:54

I think the PU will be called RA616H, 6 is the number of cylinders, 15/16 the year and H stands for Hybrid.

And i guess the Mercedes pu is going to be the Mercedes PU106C Hybrid



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 17:13

too true

 

https://twitter.com/...9734993924?s=09

 

 

 

Disappointed to see Rio Haryanto get the final Manor drive - 3 reverse grid wins in 4 years of GP2 does not make him a stand out choice!


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Posted 18 February 2016 - 17:16

Still better than Stevens



#541 Jonnycraig37

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 18:12

too true

https://twitter.com/...9734993924?s=09


But yet he has a far better junior record than Stevens :lol:

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 02:09

Renault team mate battle interests me the most.

#543 HistoryFan

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 10:22

don't think that will be much interesting with Magnussen the better and more experienced driver



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 10:39

Except Palmer has been driving the Lotus several times during 2015, whereas Magnussen has only seen the inside of the McLaren simulator. Magnussen doesn't have any experience on current Pirelli tires either.

IMHO, they are surprisingly even in useful experience and it is not a foregone conclusion that Magnussen will win the intra team battle. Though, as a Dane, I am really hopoing so.  ;)



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 12:20

I expect initially them to be fairly even due to Palmers recent experience. However from mid year on I expect Magnussen to dominate as he is a far better driver.

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 09:22

Nobuharu Matsushita signed as McLaren development driver:

 

http://www.motorspor...-driver-674527/



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 02:17

 

watch these. you will not be disappointed.