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#1 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 19:11

 

"... as a sporting fan I want to see a full grid of cars. I want to see 26 cars on the grid on the grid to give up and coming drivers who are doing GP2 to learn their trade at the back of the field, show how good they could potentially be and be picked up by midfield formula 1 teams or then those at the front.... but we need more cars on the grid as a fan. We need more teams - obviously they bring more cars - and we just need to have a stability where it gives the lower teams amore time to catch up but also keep the costs down

 

It would be good to see a 26 cars grid again, its a shame that no manufacturers are interested now. Kia/Hyundai would be a good move to enter the sport to promote their brands around the world.



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#2 Prost1997T

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 19:14

http://media.indycar...y_List_2013.pdf (yes, that's 27 cars :)  )



#3 Nathan

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 19:19

The problem is F1 is too expensive, so even if it added another 6 cars those rides are most likely going to go to the richest pay-drivers, and not offer many opportunities for truly talented up and comers. It is also evident there is insufficient corporate support. The cost to bring a wunder karter up the juniors and into F1 has also escalated so much that people like the Robertson's have a hard time justifying the investments.



#4 DampMongoose

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 19:27

F1 is a bit **** currently so not unsurprising that new manufacturers aren't joining. 1 car teams or being allowed to miss some races would be a start for potential new teams.

#5 WilliamsF1Fan

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 19:31

Manufacturers wouldn't bring new talent though, it would just lead to more of the independent teams becoming even more defined as trainer teams for the manufacturers.  We need more independent type teams but with more funding so they can take good young drivers as opposed to rich young drivers.  I do agree with Mansell though, F1 does feel like something of a closed shop at the moment.  But of course, it all gets caught up in that murky topic of distribution of prize money etc.



#6 MikeV1987

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 19:34

Customer cars pls.



#7 SenorSjon

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 00:04

Single car teams and not the same livery for cars in the same team would help.

#8 superden

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 01:52

No more manufacturers FFS.

#9 Afterburner

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 06:53

When a car costs more than an F16 fighter jet, that's a bit difficult.

#10 FredF1

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 10:36

When a car costs more than an F16 fighter jet, that's a bit difficult.

 

 

Racing F16 fighters would solve a few problems. More noise, more speed and a missile would soon solve any "Can't pass the guy in front" issues.



#11 WilliamsF1Fan

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:10

Racing F16 fighters would solve a few problems. More noise, more speed and a missile would soon solve any "Can't pass the guy in front" issues.

 

Lewis, do not shoot your team mate.  Repeat, do not shoot Nico.  



#12 Marklar

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:13

Lewis, do not shoot your team mate. Repeat, do not shoot Nico.

Or

'Nico just shot me, Nico shot me'

Edited by Marklar, 01 January 2016 - 11:15.


#13 4Wheeldrift

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:18

A weapons system would at least give ALO another button to press to get past people - in addition to the radio button he uses so much.



#14 Vitesse2

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:40

A weapons system would at least give ALO another button to press to get past people - in addition to the radio button he uses so much.

An old Private Eye cartoon which Darren Galpin has on his website ...

 

racing.jpg

 

Russell Brockbank also did a wonderful one in the era of high wings, showing a car decked out like a Fokker Triplane. Caption was something like "In the programme it says - driver, von Richthofen, M".



#15 PlatenGlass

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:50

F1 doesn't have enough cars and teams. But this problem is over 20 years old. We went from having prequalifying in 1992 to artificially having one car not qualifying for the races in 1993 (normally Michele Alboreto) even though it meant only 25 cars. It was around that time that the problem started to exist.

#16 FredF1

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 12:33

A weapons system would at least give ALO another button to press to get past people - in addition to the radio button he uses so much.

 

 

It would also free up more seats so that promising newcomers would get a chance.



#17 ch103

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 13:24

We as sporting fans want to see as many teams, cars and drivers racing as possible.  However, lets play devils advocate for a second. 

 

Put yourself in Mercedes and Ferrari's position.  "We spend $1 Billion on developing, building and racing our cars.  Why should Sauber, Hass, Force India or Williams be allowed to win?  They don't spend as much and use our equipment to subsidize their operations.   We deserve to win more than they do."

 

Adding new entrants under this modus operandi, imo, will result in three more back marker teams.  So 26 cars, yes, 6 new quality cars?  No.



#18 PlatenGlass

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 21:17

F1 doesn't have enough cars and teams. But this problem is over 20 years old. We went from having prequalifying in 1992 to artificially having one car not qualifying for the races in 1993 (normally Michele Alboreto) even though it meant only 25 cars. It was around that time that the problem started to exist.

Just to add to this, I think the last time a full grid of 26 cars started a race was the Monaco GP in 1995, even if not everyone took the restart.

#19 AustinF1

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 22:37

A weapons system would at least give ALO another button to press to get past people - in addition to the radio button he uses so much.

Or Vettel, or Lewis, or Kimi (even when talking about other teams' cars)...etc, etc.



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#20 4Wheeldrift

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 22:44

After the Lola fiasco in 1997 the teams set the grid limit at 12 teams (24 cars).  This artificially increased the value of their teams.  Especially when the bond was $48m.

 

I am not sure what it is now, but I don't think a full grid is currently considered to be 26 cars.



#21 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 22:58

It went back up to 26 cars for 2010, as USF1 would have been the 13th team.



#22 4Wheeldrift

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 23:24

Are yes, the Stefan GP saga.



#23 FPV GTHO

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 05:19

The bond was removed for 2010 im pretty sure as well.

With Renault back weve now got 10 cars trying to won races but only 10 points paying positions. More manufacturer teams clearly arent the answer

#24 PayasYouRace

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 10:24

With Renault back weve now got 10 cars trying to won races but only 10 points paying positions. More manufacturer teams clearly arent the answer

 

Not sure I understand the point. Were Lotus not trying to win races? I assume you're counting Red Bull, Williams, Mercedes and Ferrari for this year.



#25 Anderis

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 10:37

For sure 24/26 cars grid is better than 20 cars grid. It's one of the issues of current F1 albeit not the most important one. And I would say it's rather an effect than a reason of what is wrong in current F1.

 

F1 needs really drastic changes to regain it's health but it won't get them anytime soon because too many of involved have their interests of not fixing at least a part of what is wrong.



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Posted 02 January 2016 - 11:23

Not sure I understand the point. Were Lotus not trying to win races? I assume you're counting Red Bull, Williams, Mercedes and Ferrari for this year.


I'm sure Lotus were trying, but their budget dictated they were stuck.fighting Force India and Williams.

#27 F1matt

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 12:01

It would be good to see a 26 cars grid again, its a shame that no manufacturers are interested now. Kia/Hyundai would be a good move to enter the sport to promote their brands around the world.






With the greatest respect the last thing F1 needs is more manufacturers, what we need is a cheaper route to encourage more GP2 and 3 teams to move into F1 to give young drivers and engineers a chance.

#28 PayasYouRace

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 16:17

I'm sure Lotus were trying, but their budget dictated they were stuck.fighting Force India and Williams.

 

If Williams were not fighting for wins in your opinion, who were the 8 cars this year (that with Renault you argue will make 10)?



#29 richardnunney

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 19:05

I think it depends on who's watching.  

 

For a TV audience primarily concentrating on the lead, it doesn't matter if its 14 or 24 cars.  For race going fans, then obviously the more cars to see the better.



#30 Marklar

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 19:10

Dont know about the casual fans, but imo the 15 cars grid in Melbourne last year looked very pathetic....



#31 Clatter

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 09:57

I think it depends on who's watching.

For a TV audience primarily concentrating on the lead, it doesn't matter if its 14 or 24 cars. For race going fans, then obviously the more cars to see the better.

For a series that is supposed to be the pinnacle of the sport it's pathetic that they cannot field a full grid.

#32 ardbeg

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 20:41

Super Formula could be as fast as F1 for just a few dollars more. Currently it even has a power limiter which, if removed, might need very little before it is even faster.

Personally I am tired to see them polish the design of the F1 car for many many millions of dollars year after year and each time come up with something remarkably similar to the last years model. I actually think that the stupidity in that exercise in bad judgement is part of what draws people away from the sport.