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[FullThrottleF1]

This thread says it all. Nobody cares about Sauber at all. Pretty sad that it has gone this way for them ever since that brainless lawyer took over. And they are now mixing with Manor...

I care. Monisha was the wrong person for the job, we all know that. When she took over the team went downhill.

[thegamer23]

Manor's pace on soft suggests that Sauber could be dead last come tomorrow.

[pacificquay]

I strongly suspect Sauber will be the McLaren b team next year

[Cig35]

Manor's pace on soft suggests that Sauber could be dead last come tomorrow.

Also Sauber were on softs in FP2.
After watching FP3 I still expect Manor to be last in Q and Sauber clearly ahead of them, and probably beating some more cars in addition to the Manors.

Edited by Cig35, 02 April 2016 - 14:32.

[NickeF1]

Kaltenborn is ruining the team, she has no leadership qualities whatsoever. Just see how she handled the Van Der Garde saga.

[Cig35]

Also Sauber were on softs in FP2.
After watching FP3 I still expect Manor to be last in Q and Sauber clearly ahead of them, and probably beating some more cars in addition to the Manors.

Well, compared to the Manors I was totally wrong..
Nasr's time was really lousy. Some problems with the car?

[AlexS]

Nasr already complained about the car in general before the race.

 

Maybe the Sauber solution is doing an Haas and shopping around for a chassis from  competent manufacturers like Dallara. They don't make an acceptable car for 2 -3 years already.

 

I mean Dallara makes a chassis without recent experience in F1 and beats several teams. What does it says about those teams?

[Disgrace]

Other than a lack of development, there was nothing wrong with last year's car. It completely saved their bacon after a pointless 2014. The C35 seems like a dog on arrival.

[AlexS]

The last year car only worked in first races because almost everyone else had issues one way or another from Mclaren to Renault engined cars. It was not representative of a no problem performance field. I don't know how much they developed the car and how much was possible to improve.

[DESCHAIN]

First half 2015 Sauber capitalized on a very improved Ferrari power unit. This year they have no where to hide, Honda is better Renault is better...and Manor has AMG.
I think they will try to survive trough 16' and spend whatever money available on a 2017 spec design.

[Wingcommander]

 

I mean Dallara makes a chassis without recent experience in F1 and beats several teams. What does it says about those teams?

 

You're forgetting Ferrari's input. It's basically a customer car.

[Graveltrappen]

Rumours apparently in the paddock that China may be the teams last race unless Monisha (who isn't at the race this weekend) can find a solution to their finances.

[DESCHAIN]

The brazilians mentioned Swedish investors and Alfa Romeo on talks to buy the team.

[turssi]

Rumours apparently in the paddock that China may be the teams last race unless Monisha (who isn't at the race this weekend) can find a solution to their finances.

Link?

[turssi]

The brazilians mentioned Swedish investors and Alfa Romeo on talks to buy the team.

What would that mean for Nasr?

[AlexS]

You're forgetting Ferrari's input. It's basically a customer car.

 

Really? can you tell me where is that Ferrari 2015 front suspension in Haas?

[SenorSjon]

Link?

Was said during the race coverage on Ziggo (Dutch).

[DESCHAIN]

I think Nasr's safe as he brings sponsorship income and he can drive, but obviously if it comes to pick between him and Ericsson a Swedish owner could tip the scale in Marcus favor.

[Pete_f1]

I think a buyout is the trams only chance to survive long term

[LuckyStrike1]

I think Nasr's safe as he brings sponsorship income and he can drive, but obviously if it comes to pick between him and Ericsson a Swedish owner could tip the scale in Marcus favor.

 

 

They both bring sponsorship though. 

 

But at Sauber we knows that even though a driver brings sponsorship he isn't safe as long as there is another driver with more sponsorship. 

[Myrvold]

They both bring sponsorship though. 

Yup, but the advantage Ericsson have is that he have anonymous private backers (which always sounds dodgy ).

[LuckyStrike1]

Yup, but the advantage Ericsson have is that he have anonymous private backers (which always sounds dodgy ).

 

Well you can always question whether it's a good thing when your backers wish to be anonymous ... 

[Ghostrider]

This years car surely seems to be a lemon.

 

Ericsson seems to have the upper hand on Nasr though. For whatever it is worth. 

[Myrvold]

Well you can always question whether it's a good thing when your backers wish to be anonymous ... 

Good Point ^^.

[Junky]

Shocking dog car.

[anbeck]

Such a shame to see them go backwards. I have lots of good memories about Sauber, from their surprisingly competitive first campaign, to the BMW-era. But since then.... it seems that putting pay drivers in a dog of a car doesn't seem to do the trick!

 

I hope they can somehow sort out the future, because it would be a shame to lose this team.

[cokata]

And how good the car was the last years of the V8 era, since the new PU have come it has been one shitty chassis after another. 

[SouthF1]

Such a shame to see them go backwards. I have lots of good memories about Sauber, from their surprisingly competitive first campaign, to the BMW-era. But since then.... it seems that putting pay drivers in a dog of a car doesn't seem to do the trick!

 

I hope they can somehow sort out the future, because it would be a shame to lose this team.

 

Paydrivers? Wasn't Nasr the new Ayrton Senna according to every one in the beginning of last season?

[FullThrottleF1]

oh no, I don't want this team to go.

[LuckyStrike1]

oh no, I don't want this team to go.

 

The writing has been on the wall for quite some time. 

 

I must say I'd be surprised if they survive and stay on in the coming years. Even finding a new owner and selling the team would be a bit of a surprise. 

Then again Manor seems to be hanging on by a thread still. 

Edited by LuckyStrike1, 03 April 2016 - 18:22.

[FullThrottleF1]

Manor has solid financial backing, even if it is run on shoestring, it has a budget. Sauber does not seem to have any funding source apart from the drivers themselves.

[Mohican]

Ericsson finished P12 yesterday, in spite of engine being down on power in the early laps and then nearly running out of fuel at the end - when running a long stint on medium tyres. Nast, though, was nowhere.
The car is running a 2015 wing package as there are financial constraints to build the already designed '16 wings.

Not sure that the car is so hopeless; certainly seems better than the finances.

Anyway, so what is FOM doing to help ? Answer: nothing, as usual. Greedy Bernie thinks that he need not care now that he has got the Haas entry; he may be very much mistaken, to paraphrase Murray.

[Nathan]

 

I mean Dallara makes a chassis without recent experience in F1 and beats several teams.

 

Well you will look good when you have Ferrari handing you the blueprints.  How did Dallara do with HRT?

[SonJR]

No surprise the car is a dog. They barely developed the C34 and signed the former Caterham chief to design the C35. Bad combo.

 

I think it's time for Sauber to realize doing everything in-house and independently just isn't working - and financially sustainable - anymore.

[FredrikB]

The brazilians mentioned Swedish investors and Alfa Romeo on talks to buy the team.

 

F1 was soo dead in Sweden a few years ago. But after mr Elgh got Marcus in to F1, nothing surprises me anymore...

[AlexS]

Well you will look good when you have Ferrari handing you the blueprints.  How did Dallara do with HRT?

 

Blueprints?  is the suspension equal for example?

[SpeedRacer`]

Well you will look good when you have Ferrari handing you the blueprints.  How did Dallara do with HRT?

 

If you look into it more closely, HRT didn't pay Dallara any money to develop the chassis. Litreally just the bare minimum, "build a chassis that complies with the rules" and that's it.

 

Haas sent their own designers to work with Dallara and basically work within their environment and develop the aerodynamic side themselves.

[Anders Torp]

How did Dallara do with HRT?

How much did HRT pay Dallara?

[EvilPhil II]

What do we have here...

 

 

http://www.grandprix...a-romeo-return/

[Myrvold]

What do we have here...

The 5th and 6th Ferrari?

[Kristian]

Politically that would be scary - 3 Ferrari teams and 2 Red Bull teams. That would probably mean Mercedes making a move on Manor or FI. 

[FullThrottleF1]

Haas are independent of Ferrari, they are not a B-Team they just buy Ferrari parts.

[Kristian]

Haas are independent of Ferrari, they are not a B-Team they just buy Ferrari parts.

 

In theory. But potentially Ferrari have leverage if Haas want this alliance to continue in its current form...

 

I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just saying in paddock politics Ferrari could use this to their advantage. 

[FullThrottleF1]

In theory. But potentially Ferrari have leverage if Haas want this alliance to continue in its current form...

 

I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just saying in paddock politics Ferrari could use this to their advantage. 

Ferrari would, they are Ferrari, politics is their game.

[ElJefe]

Ferrari would, they are Ferrari, politics is their game.

Not more than other teams. F1 = politics most of the time. Always has, always will. 

[AlexS]

if not for Ferrari hand to Sauber after BMW the team would have finished there.

[FullThrottleF1]

Multiple investors apparently: http://www.grandprix...ggle-continues/

[DeKnyff]

Multiple investors apparently: http://www.grandprix...ggle-continues/

 

Yeah... the cheque is in the post... we have already seen "wealthy investors" every time a team is in trouble. They rarely materialize, though.

[FullThrottleF1]

Yeah... the cheque is in the post... we have already seen "wealthy investors" every time a team is in trouble. They rarely materialize, though.

That joke got old years ago.

[DeKnyff]

That joke got old years ago.

 

I know. That's what I meant, that life seems to repeat again and again.