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[MatParker116]

 http://www.dailymail...ian-Horner.html

 

 

Christian Horner claims Lewis Hamilton was 'desperate' to drive for Red Bull, not Mercedes, when leaving McLaren following the 2012 season.

Hamilton made the surprise move to join Mercedes despite McLaren's standing in Formula One, but his decision has been vindicated with two more world titles coming his way.

But, according to Red Bull team principal Horner, Hamilton approached him twice about signing for the team that claimed four consecutive constructors' championships at the start of the decade.

 

We missed out on would of been complete and utter civil war between the world's two best drivers, Hamilton would of flipped his lid and may actually of re passed Seb during the race. The 2013 season could of been extremely entertaining, worked out for Lewis, but god what a season that could of been. 

[hittheapex]

It wasn't as if Webber let Vettel past, he tried to block and keep up with him too. In the unlikely event Hamilton ever agreed to Multi 21 before the race, it's possible that Vettel could have passed him and driven away from him too.

 

I think the two would have had tensions as we have seen with Rosberg and Hamilton, but just from the natural tension of two very competitive people in the same team. Not from something like Multi 21.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

I don't want to comment on multi 21 thing but I want to say:

 

I appreciate his will to join RedBull at that time while Sebastian Vettel was there as their number one driver. That shows Lewis Hamilton's self confidence.

Edited by RYARLE, 20 January 2016 - 14:36.

[Marklar]

[Risil]

I expect it would've involved duelling pistols.

[Laura23]

We'd have seen Bahrain 2014 occur a year early. Vettel didn't listen to Multi21 and Hamilton sure as hell wouldn't have listened to it either with a title on the line.

[LuckyStrike1]

An overload of traffic to the Autosport Forums server. 

[Marklar]

I'll imagine the same as with Webber. It was not like Mark didnt tried to stay ahead and didnt tried to labell Vettel as a bad boy after the race. Likely that Hamilton would have done the same or something like that. The only difference in this moment would have been the bigger media response (and the activity on this board ).

What would had been probably different in the long term is the relationship: Webber was never able to match Vettel during the season, therefore the dispute kinda washed away. Assume that Hamilton would had been able to match Vettel after that in this scenario...

Bahrain 2014 was kinda similar between the Mercedes drivers. It went well, because Hamilton stayed eventually ahead, but it was the start of these tensions.

Edited by Marklar, 20 January 2016 - 14:54.

[RedBaron]

would of been complete and utter civil war between the world's two best drivers

 

Wow.

[Jonnycraig37]

On track, Vettel would've passed him as he did Webber. Vettel was quite simply far faster at the time.

Off track, WW3 would've erupted.

[Marklar]

Off track, WW3 would've erupted.

Usually we Germans are losing them...

Edited by Marklar, 20 January 2016 - 15:33.

[Spillage]

They actually seem to get on pretty well - but then, they are in different teams. I suspect Vettel would have passed Hamilton, Hamilton would have detonated and we would have had one hell of a season.

[GoldenColt]

Usually we Germans are losing them...

 

Thanks for taking all the responsibility!

 

Love, 

 

Austria

[taran]

Usually we Germans are losing them...

 

But without allies to do their heavy lifting, the British would have lost...so Hamilton's prospects would have been bleak....  

[Mat13]

Only because his allies were late...

[MikeV1987]

The mods would be very busy on this forum if that would have happened.

[Maustinsj]

Would have, please, or would've. Not would of.

Edited by Maustinsj, 20 January 2016 - 17:07.

[Spillage]

Now I think about it, something very similar did happen to Hamilton once, in Turkey in 2010 after Vettel and Webber had crashed. Hamilton was told to save fuel and asked Mclaren to confirm that Button wouldn't just overtake him if he slowed down. Button did, of course, overtake him, but Hamilton was able to repass him and cruise to the win after Mclaren managed to call JB off.

 

On that occasion, there didn't seem to be any outrage from Hamilton at all, beyond a slightly confused 'what the hell is going on?' over team radio. I guess the matter was dealt with behind closed doors. Still, if Button had managed to keep the lead and win the race it might have been different...

Edited by Spillage, 20 January 2016 - 17:18.

[Zava]

 http://www.dailymail...ian-Horner.html

 

 

We missed out on would of been complete and utter civil war between the world's two best drivers, Hamilton would of flipped his lid and may actually of re passed Seb during the race. The 2013 season could of been extremely entertaining, worked out for Lewis, but god what a season that could of been. 

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[Zava]

I don't want to comment on multi 21 thing but I want to say:

 

I appreciate his will to join RedBull at that time while Sebastian Vettel was there as their number one driver. That shows Lewis Hamilton's self confidence.

let's turn flip around. at the time the press was loud from Hamilton telling the world how dominant the red bull is, and how boring would it be for him to win races with a dominant car like that. 

 

now what does him wishing to join that 'boringly dominant' team tell about him?

[GoldenColt]

let's turn flip around. at the time the press was loud from Hamilton telling the world how dominant the red bull is, and how boring would it be for him to win races with a dominant car like that. 

 

now what does him wishing to join that 'boringly dominant' team tell about him?

 

Having Hamilton and Vettel in one team, no matter how dominant the car, would have never been a boring season. 

[Marklar]

Am I the only one who is trying to imagine the Vettel vs Hamilton thread?

[Afterburner]

Hamilton wouldn't have let him by so easy, that much is certain, and if Vettel did get by him, it would've been an out-and-out duel to the finish.

 

The aftermath? I actually don't think it would've blown up as much as it did with Webber, especially if Hamilton had won (the likely outcome, I think, because when you put two evenly-matched guys in the same car overtakes are hard to come by in modern F1--and if Webber had track position at the time, it's not too hard to assume Hamilton would have as well). The Vettel/Webber dynamic was strained to breaking point by then, and I think that Vettel always saw losing to Webber as losing to an inferior driver. Losing to Hamilton wouldn't have been as big a deal for him, just as losing to Ricciardo wasn't--he rates both those guys and understands that they're much harder to beat.

 

Would've made for an epic year, though, with the two best drivers on the grid in the form of their life--and without Hamilton's arrival at Merc, MS might have stayed on board until 2014 and won that elusive eighth title.

[DampMongoose]

Cap injury?

[Bloggsworth]

Hamilton would have turned into a Klingon admiral and launched a broadside of photon torpedoes at the Red Bull causing a temporal time-shift and warped the fabric of space - Stupid answer? Yes, but then, it was a stupid question...

Edited by Bloggsworth, 20 January 2016 - 21:50.

[byrkus]

Maybe, after the race, some pic of Red Bull's telemetry would appear on twitter...

[oetzi]

Cap injury?

Dutch?

[FrontWing]

According to Webbers autobiography, he forgot to turn his engine up while Vettel was pursuing, even though he knew Seb was intent on passing him as he could see the drs slot open. He was also on used tyres that had done a qualy run in q2, as his first attempt was not quick enough. Seb was on new tyres.

Given what Button did to him in Turkey, and Hamilton's general distrust of radio orders, at Mclaren (they seriously screwed him up for life! Trust issues lol) and Merc, he would not be naive enough to think Seb wouldn't have attempted a pass. He wouldn't have forgot to turn his engine up.

The fallout would have been spectacular though, and oh what a season 2013 could have been.

Edited by FrontWing, 21 January 2016 - 16:20.

[ensign14]

We missed out on would of been complete and utter civil war between the world's two best drivers, Hamilton would of flipped his lid and may actually of re passed Seb during the race

This is assuming Vettel would ever have been within 10s of Hamilton in the first place.

[HP]

Wow.

I assume this is short for war of words ;)

[jjcale]

According to Webbers autobiography, he forgot to turn his engine up while Vettel was pursuing, even though he knew Seb was intent on passing him as he could see the drs slot open. He was also on used tyres that had done a qualy run in q2, as his first attempt was not quick enough. Seb was on new tyres.

....

 

And his engineer didnt notice????

[Jonnycraig37]

This is assuming Vettel would ever have been within 10s of Hamilton in the first place.

Not sure if serious.

[Crazy Canuck]

Jada Pinkett Smith would have demanded that we all boycott F1

 

CC

[ensign14]

I seem to have boycotted the work of her entire family, by virtue of having a triple digit IQ.

[Nonesuch]

Hamilton would of have flipped his lid and may actually of re passed Seb during the race.

 

Have we forgotten Turkey 2010?

 

-Edit- I see Spillage has not.

 

 

Usually we Germans are losing them...

 

Always, actually - and thankfully.

Edited by Nonesuch, 22 January 2016 - 12:48.

[FrontWing]

And his engineer didnt notice????

It wasn't mentioned. The team had decided that they were finishing 1-2 with Webber first, so his engineer wasn't worried. Webber could see in his mirror that vettel was opening the drs, he could have turned his engine up but forgot. I'm only quoting what he wrote in his book. It was the first time I'd heard of it.

Edited by FrontWing, 22 January 2016 - 14:58.

[Pierce89]

Simple answer. Everyone here knows that Britain would've broken the Internet with their howling in protest.