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[Marklar]

The random salary generator this time via The Paddock Magazine

 

In ₤
1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 33,400,000
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 28,500,000
3. Fernando Alonso (McLaren) 27,100,000
4. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) 19,000,000
5. Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) 12,000,000
6. Jenson Button (McLaren) 9,000,000
7. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) 3,700,000
8. Nico Hulkenberg (Force India) 3,000,000
9. Felipe Massa (Williams) 3,000,000
10. Romain Grosjean (Haas) 2,270,000
11. Valtteri Bottas (Williams) 2,250,000
12. Sergio Perez (Force India) 2,200,000
13. Pastor Maldonado (Renault) 2,200,000
14. Esteban Gutierrez (Haas) 1,400,000
15. Daniil Kvyat (Red Bull) 700,000
16. Jolyon Palmer (Renault) 600,000
17. Max Verstappen (Toro Rosso) 450,000
18. Carlos Sainz (Toro Rosso) 450,000
19. Marcus Ericsson (Sauber) 250,000
20. Felipe Nasr (Sauber) 250,000

[Scotracer]

Manor? 50p and a Freddo?

[Marklar]

Manor? 50p and a Freddo?

Drivers not confirmed yet, but I guess you are probably right

[muramasa]

Nando is 3 times Jens? No wonder JB'd been more pissed than FA throughout 2015

[ConsiderAndGo]

If Raikkonen really is on that, what a heads gone by Ferrari!!!

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 29 January 2016 - 20:34.

[muramasa]

Daniel is 529% more than Daniil?

No wonder Daniel was smiling always throughout 2015 despite the PU and team situation

[Hkruijf]

So Red Bull spends almost 50 million pounds less per year on driver salaries then Ferrari. 

 

That certainly makes their Young driver program even more impressive. Also Toro Rosso basically get 2 great drivers for free.

[TomNokoe]

Can't believe Seb moved to Ferrari for the money. We are going to have to question his lavish lifestyle. Is it affecting him, has he lost the drive to be champion?

[Exb]

Which is very different to the one I saw the other day from Omnicorse which had Fernando as top earner and Kimi at 6m (I think in euros)
https://twitter.com/...680471528886273
Alonso 36.6 (M)
Hamilton 28.5
Vettel 27.5
Rosberg 16.8
Button 10.6
Raikkonen 6.4
Ricciardo 5
Massa 4
Hulkenberg 3.6
Bottas 3
Grosjean 2.9
Perez 2.9
Maldonado 2.9
Kvyat 0.68
Verstappen 0.45
Sainz 3.4
Nasr 0.17
Ericsson 0.17

Edited by Exb, 29 January 2016 - 20:56.

[KWSN - DSM]

The numbers likely have no real base in reality,but if taking them at some sort of face value.

 

Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso in ballpark of what he been written about them and their paycheck in current teams.

Raikkonen likely correct, and very very high considering the limited gain Ferrari have had last couple of seasons from him.

Rosberg and Button, completely match the numbers as reported when they extended their current contracts.

Ricciardo appear underpaid, presume residue from when he was promoted to Red Bull and coming from a development contract.

Hulkenberg, Massa, Grosjean, Bottas,Perez, Maldonado appear in the ballpark of what I had expected for them.

Gutierrez to me seems high, but that needs to be tempered by me seeing him with a lot less upside than appear Ferrari does.

Kvyat clearly underpaid considering his seat, I must presume same deal as for why Ricciardo is low.

Palmer - Paid by his sponsor.

Verstappen, Sainz both on the Red Bull development track, seem this is the level.

Ericsson, Nasr - Paid by their sponsors.

 

'Paid by sponsor' naturally extend to more than just those I state. Maldonado is in and has been in a seat through PDSVA payment, the extent of how many of the other drivers this is the case for as well is debatable.

 

[F1matt]

Does this include image rights, bonuses, personal sponsorship deal, or is this salary from the team? Or just journalistic bollox?

[KWSN - DSM]

Does this include image rights, bonuses, personal sponsorship deal, or is this salary from the team? Or just journalistic bollox?

 

My guess is a little of each.

 

[Clatter]

Ridiculous how much they get paid.

[KWSN - DSM]

Ridiculous how much they get paid.

 

Disagree... any driver is worth how much someone is willing to pay him. There are many sports where the athletes are paid a lot more than the median of the F1 field. Soccer players, football players, basketball players, baseball players.

 

[Vettelari]

Ferrari could replace Kimi with Kyvat, get better results, & still have enough money left over to purchase Manor to turn it into their Toro Rosso. Not quite, but you catch my drift. Talk about overpaid!

[Alexandros]

Wasn't there a story, back when Kimi signed, that Shell would pay Kimi?

[Ragnar668]

related to 2015 points
 

1  F. Alonso 11             2463,6

2  J. Button 16                562,5

3  K. Raikkonen 150      126,7

4  S. Vettel 278              120,1

5  P. Maldonado 27         81,5

6  L. Hamilton 381          74,8

7  N. Hulkenberg 58        51,7

8  R. Grosjean 51           44,5

9  D. Ricciardo 92           40,2

10  N. Rosberg 322        37,3

11  S. Perez 78              28,2

12  M. Ericsson 9           27,8

13  C. Sainz Jr. 18         25,0

14  F. Massa 121           24,8

15  V. Bottas 136           16,5

16  F. Nasr 27                 9,3

17  M. Verstappen 49     9,2

18  D. Kvyat 95               7,4

 

[Jonnycraig37]

If Raikkonen really is on that, what a heads gone by Ferrari!!!

Raikonnen was still on the contract he signed in 2014. There's a reason Ferrari waited for his contract option to expire before re-signing him. Namely so that they could renegotiate his terms. There's no way he's getting that this year.

Manor? 50p and a Freddo?

Merhi wasn't paid a penny by Manor. He funded his own travel and accommodation until mid season when Manor started reimbursing him. Stevens would've been paid a nominal fee out of his sponsorship budget.

Edited by Jonnycraig37, 30 January 2016 - 09:23.

[Jonnycraig37]

Can't believe Seb moved to Ferrari for the money. We are going to have to question his lavish lifestyle. Is it affecting him, has he lost the drive to be champion?

I sense a hair transplant like Hamilton's in his near future

[igoru]

Nando is 3 times Jens? No wonder JB'd been more pissed than FA throughout 2015

But Fred is Fred ...you will see this year

[igoru]

 

related to 2015 points
 

1  F. Alonso 11             2463,6

2  J. Button 16                562,5

3  K. Raikkonen 150      126,7

4  S. Vettel 278              120,1

5  P. Maldonado 27         81,5

6  L. Hamilton 381          74,8

7  N. Hulkenberg 58        51,7

8  R. Grosjean 51           44,5

9  D. Ricciardo 92           40,2

10  N. Rosberg 322        37,3

11  S. Perez 78              28,2

12  M. Ericsson 9           27,8

13  C. Sainz Jr. 18         25,0

14  F. Massa 121           24,8

15  V. Bottas 136           16,5

16  F. Nasr 27                 9,3

17  M. Verstappen 49     9,2

18  D. Kvyat 95               7,4

 

Pointless....wasting time...

[Fatgadget]

So Red Bull spends almost 50 million pounds less per year on driver salaries then Ferrari.

That certainly makes their Young driver program even more impressive. Also Toro Rosso basically get 2 great drivers for free.

Nonsense!

Both Ferrari drivers finished ahead of both RB drivers.

The End.

[Fatgadget]

But Fred is Fred ...you will see this year

And what we saw last year? And the year before that?? And before was what exactly?

[Clatter]

Disagree... any driver is worth how much someone is willing to pay him. There are many sports where the athletes are paid a lot more than the median of the F1 field. Soccer players, football players, basketball players, baseball players.

 

Yep, and the salaries they are paid is ridiculous in all of them. 

[igoru]

And what we saw last year? And the year before that?? And before was what exactly?

Again and last time....there are three driver above all:

ALO

HAM

VET

Those three make a difference....

[KWSN - DSM]

Yep, and the salaries they are paid is ridiculous in all of them. 

 

No they are very very high when compared to what I make, and presumably what most of the posters here make. Does not change that any athlete being paid, is being paid the amount someone see as a good deal. I have a hard time getting my head around how high they go, and the conditions of the contracts.

 

American Football have a cap on what they can spend combined on their roster of players, so for most part they top out at about Usd 18 million for a season. They get signing bonuses which count in some way against the cap. However the contracts are NOT garuanteed, when an NFL player is cut from the team, that is the end of that contract. All teams go through a weeding og rosters between seasons to clear up cap room. There is also a Rockie cap, previously the teams threw untold millions after the first players drafted, I think in region of Usd 30 million garuanteed, as wage and signing bonus, think the max number now is Usd 400K.

 

Baseball however the contracts are guaranteed in total, so if you read a player signed for Usd 200 million, he will make Usd 200 million even if he gets a career ending injury the day after signing. This link give the 2015 top saleries in MLB:

 

http://sports.newsda...-salaries-2015/

 

They are all multiyear contracts,no one have forced any teams to sign these contracts.

 

[Clatter]

No they are very very high when compared to what I make, and presumably what most of the posters here make. Does not change that any athlete being paid, is being paid the amount someone see as a good deal. I have a hard time getting my head around how high they go, and the conditions of the contracts.

 

American Football have a cap on what they can spend combined on their roster of players, so for most part they top out at about Usd 18 million for a season. They get signing bonuses which count in some way against the cap. However the contracts are NOT garuanteed, when an NFL player is cut from the team, that is the end of that contract. All teams go through a weeding og rosters between seasons to clear up cap room. There is also a Rockie cap, previously the teams threw untold millions after the first players drafted, I think in region of Usd 30 million garuanteed, as wage and signing bonus, think the max number now is Usd 400K.

 

Baseball however the contracts are guaranteed in total, so if you read a player signed for Usd 200 million, he will make Usd 200 million even if he gets a career ending injury the day after signing. This link give the 2015 top saleries in MLB:

 

http://sports.newsda...-salaries-2015/

 

They are all multiyear contracts,no one have forced any teams to sign these contracts.

 

And it does not change the fact that I personally think the sums paid to athletes are ridiculous.  

[pdac]

Disagree... any driver is worth how much someone is willing to pay him. There are many sports where the athletes are paid a lot more than the median of the F1 field. Soccer players, football players, basketball players, baseball players.

 

 

I think the point is, though, if you have a competitive car you could probably offer $100k and still get a top driver. They'd drive for you because they would be prominent in the sport and, as such, could earn many times that amount just being a celebrity - but more importantly, they'd drive for you because they be able to drive a competitive car. Teams pay more than this simply so justify the amounts paid to other members.

[Marklar]

Teams pay more than this simply so justify the amounts paid to other members.

 

We are talking here about whole enterprises, they dont spend more money on drivers than they are "worth" (and I'm not talking about on-track things, but about marketability), just to justify something.

 

Whether its deserved based on ethic grounds is a different question of course.

Edited by Marklar, 30 January 2016 - 21:38.

[pdac]

 

We are talking here about whole enterprises, they dont spend more money on drivers than they are "worth" (and I'm not talking about on-track things, but about marketability), just to justify something.

 

Whether its deserved based on ethic grounds is a different question of course.

 

It's how "worth" is measured and that can quite happily sit alongside what I said.

[Nonesuch]

Red Bull gets a great deal on its drivers. Wasn't the talk back before 2014 that they combine this 'low' base-salary with pretty high bonus payouts for wins etc.?

 

Anyway, it is of course all a bit silly, but if the teams can and want to pay this - I can understand why the drivers don't refuse.

[Fastcake]

Ridiculous how much they get paid.

 

I personally think that Hamilton and Vettel will be the last generation for some time to command salaries in the £20-30m+ range. The number of available paid drives each season is small, and the number of winning drives even smaller, and with the talent available and so many team using driver programmes, it's a buyers market. Mercedes could offer any driver a seat for a tenth of Hamilton's salary, and they'll still be better off financially than before.

 

If we use the guesstimates on that list and take £3m as the new median, the next top drivers will be lucky to negotiate more than triple that. No driver is worth the tens of millions that could instead be put into car development.

[Nathan]

And it does not change the fact that I personally think the sums paid to athletes are ridiculous. 

 

I guess it depends how you view it.  People use to look at Tiger Woods $80-100mln/yr days and not understand the justification, but then they ignore the companies that were paying him that made even off of his success and image.  If you make $50k/year and your company makes $100k/year off your labour, many such people may cry unfairness.  But Nike can make $100mln profit off Tiger's image, pay him $30 mln, and somehow he isn't worth it.

[Tsarwash]

Nonsense!

Both Ferrari drivers finished ahead of both RB drivers.

The End.

You're telling me you think Kimi performed better than Kvyat last year ?