11 replies to this topic

[mattiebee99]

Just throwing it out there and it may have been raised elsewhere. Does Renaults buyout of Lotus give them access to the 2015 Mercedes engine? I know Renaults engines woes are far more deep rooted than simply what Mercedes is doing, however it would surely give a very close look at their architecture.

[Exb]

NO

Edit: Sorry - that sounds really grumpy, but as an example as seen last year Honda gained no advantage from McLaren having Merc engines the previous year. The engine manufacturers send over there own engineers so the customer teams have as little info about them possible. One of the reasons why it is so difficult for customer teams to challenge the works team, and why McLaren abandoned the best engine to gamble on a works team set-up with Honda as they saw that as the best chance of being able to beat Mercedes.

Edited by Exb, 30 January 2016 - 22:41.

[mattiebee99]

Makes complete sense. I guess just wishful thinking on my behalf. I want 1986 back.

Edited by mattiebee99, 30 January 2016 - 22:47.

[Marklar]

Just throwing it out there and it may have been raised elsewhere. Does Renaults buyout of Lotus give them access to the 2015 Mercedes engine? I know Renaults engines woes are far more deep rooted than simply what Mercedes is doing, however it would surely give a very close look at their architecture.

Generally no. Mercedes engineers (send by Merc) did the work there and not Lotus engineers. Therefore they didnt gained any knowledge.

 

However, Mercedes and Renault have an partnership in the road car development and might plan to do something similar in F1.

Edited by Marklar, 30 January 2016 - 22:49.

[johnmhinds]

Do the customer teams even get to take the engines back to their factories?

[Timstr11]

Do the customer teams even get to take the engines back to their factories?

No they don't. They don't even have the facilities to service the engines if they could.

Engines go back to Brixworth for servicing.

[lio007]

No they don't. They don't even have the facilities to service the engines if they could.

Engines go back to Brixworth for servicing.

 

Are they really allowed to service them? I thought everything is sealed by FIA.

[shonguiz]

If anything they will have a better idea of what the engine is capable of and what are its installation requirements.

[Timstr11]

Are they really allowed to service them? I thought everything is sealed by FIA.

You could be right, but there must be some minimal stuff they're allowed to do, like replenishing oils. Engine inspections. Although some of that may be done at the track, you can't do that much.

Edited by Timstr11, 31 January 2016 - 18:16.

[oetzi]

No they don't. They don't even have the facilities to service the engines if they could.
Engines go back to Brixworth for servicing.

What, all of them?

[Afrenchguy]

All engines leave among manufacturers :
(1) for a review and repackaging
(2) Although the client teams have paid $20 / $25 / $30 million their engines for a year, it is only for a FULL SERVICE RENTAL.

Client teams are never owners of the engines that have been provided to them.

[Afrenchguy]

Renault has that the measurements of the Mercedes engine, to know the layout of the various components that make up the power unit, provides not for a copy.
But with regard to available different elements, all engine manufacturers engineers know them already.

Sorry if my english is not very good, i'm a french guy who tries to write in your language

Edited by Afrenchguy, 31 January 2016 - 23:54.