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Poll: Who will inherit the Maldonado mantle? (220 member(s) have cast votes)

Who will become a fitting and worthy replacement for everyone's favourite #13?

  1. Sebastian Vettel (5 votes [2.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.27%

  2. Kimi Räikkönen (32 votes [14.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.55%

  3. Sergio Pérez (8 votes [3.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

  4. Nico Hülkenberg (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Romain Grosjean (6 votes [2.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.73%

  6. Esteban Gutiérrez (30 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  7. Kevin Magnussen (10 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  8. Jolyon Palmer (20 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  9. Fernando Alonso (9 votes [4.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.09%

  10. Jenson Button (1 votes [0.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.45%

  11. Nico Rosberg (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Lewis Hamilton (7 votes [3.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.18%

  13. Daniel Ricciardo (1 votes [0.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.45%

  14. Daniil Kyvat (3 votes [1.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.36%

  15. Marcus Ericsson (14 votes [6.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.36%

  16. Felipe Nasr (7 votes [3.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.18%

  17. Max Verstappen (44 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  18. Carlos Sainz (10 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  19. Felipe Massa (11 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  20. Valtteri Bottas (2 votes [0.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.91%

Where should Pastor go?

  1. F1 reserve (8 votes [3.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

  2. Formula E (31 votes [14.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.09%

  3. IndyCar (46 votes [20.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.91%

  4. NASCAR (32 votes [14.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.55%

  5. WRC (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Rallycross (7 votes [3.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.18%

  7. Sportscars (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Touring cars (8 votes [3.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

  9. Bikes! (4 votes [1.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.82%

  10. That crazy truck racing thing that E.J. Viso does (22 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  11. President of Venezuela (62 votes [28.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.18%

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#1 midgrid

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 00:15

A pantomime villain.  A real-life Dick Dastardly.  A driver who would willingly choose the number 13 with full knowledge of its connotations within Western culture.  GP2 champion, F1 race-winner, banned (temporarily) from Monaco for disabling a marshal, subject of a popular F1-related website, butt of jokes, aleatoric artist of carbon-fibre.  Pastor Maldonado.

 

Whilst I (and I assume 99% of this board) would presumably agree that Kevin Magnussen is a better prospect for rebranded Renault than Maldonado, I would also argue that the grid will become less colourful, less exciting, less of a spectacle with his enforced retirement.  If F1 is a show, a show needs its villain.  An Andrea de Cesaris who can be relied upon to accidentally ram his team-mates into concrete walls.  A Philippe Alliot who can write off four tubs in one season.  An Olivier Grouillard or Pierluigi Martini who can almost single-handedly introduce the concept of the ten-second drive-through penalty for persistent blocking whilst being lapped.

 

So, who will vacate Maldonado's lead-lined (well, the right one, anyway) driving shoes and fulfil this role in the brave new world of F1 2016?  The champions and multiple race-winners amongst the field tend to be reputed for their successes rather than their failures, even when in declining form. Grosjean and Pérez, former enfants terribles, have cleaned up their acts to become respectable and experienced drivers, an asset to any team.  Verstappen seems to have something of a cocksure attitude that could metamorphose into a bad-boy image, given the right (or wrong) moves, but so far his talent justifies his pronouncements.

 

So who will become the next Maldonado?  The driver we love to hate?  Because if there's one thing that I've learnt from my time following F1, it's that such a character will surely emerge to fulfil this role. 



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#2 P123

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 00:23

Probably one of the Manor drivers, facing the usual outrage from those still to get their heads around the fact that 'pay drivers' are nothing new.

Or whoever trips over Kimi.

#3 Imateria

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 00:31

No one, I suspect. But you didn't make that an option so random vote for Ericsson.

 

As for where Maldonado goes, President of Venzuela.



#4 maximilian

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 01:01

NASCAR would be great... he can bump and grind there! :lol:



#5 ANF

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 01:13

There will never be another Maldonado, I'm afraid. But I think Pérez can be a good replacement even if he doesn't subscribe to the slogan "if you don't crash, you're not going fast enough." Oh, and NASCAR!

 

We will all miss you, Pastor!


Edited by ANF, 02 February 2016 - 01:21.


#6 Rjpscr

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 01:32

Will you plz stop talking crap about Nascar its getting ****** old



#7 Spillage

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 01:35

Maldonado to Indycar. It'd be a match made in heaven!



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 01:35



#9 Jimisgod

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 03:41

Kimi, easily. He's been getting there at Ferrari.



#10 evo

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 05:19

I was going to go for Gutierrez or one of the Sauber boys, but I voted Bottas - he's been subject to some paint swapping with a fellow countryman of late and I look forward to some more consistency in the new season.

 

I chose Indycar - Maldonado to NASCAR would break the internet, amongst other things...

 

Maldonado, meet Sato.

Sato, meet Maldonado.
*then slowly walk away


Edited by evo, 02 February 2016 - 05:20.


#11 Counterbalance

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 06:35

Kimi, easily. He's been getting there at Ferrari.

 

That was where my vote was cast, too!



#12 Marklar

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 06:45

There wont be a classic Maldonado. However someone might produce the most crashes and been seen as a villian: And that could be everyone. Guttierez has a lot in common with Maldonado. I can also imagine that Verstappen might have such a year.

#13 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 06:51

Rise of Crashjean Part 2

 

or

 

Crashjean Reloaded

 

or

 

Crashjean: Gaining lost identity Saga


Edited by RYARLE, 02 February 2016 - 07:19.


#14 jcbc3

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:14

Verstappen.

Already accident prone and no acceptance of blame whatsoever.

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:21

I have to guess, but Magnussen gets my vote.

#16 HP

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:24

Maldonado of course, That is if he manages to get a seat at Manor.



#17 Kristian

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:59

I think Kimi probably had more incidents than Maldonado in the last couple of years? 



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:59

Kimi or Gutierrez.



#19 Zava

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 08:00

I think Kimi probably had more incidents than Maldonado in the last couple of years? 

come on, Maldonado has the amount of accidents Kimi had in the last couple years for breakfast.



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#20 TyreSmokeDownshift

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 08:13

In my opinion, if he gets the seat, I think there is the possibility that Rio Haryanto might end up taking up the mantle, mostly because he is inconsistent on track (based on what I saw of him in GP2 - which admittedly was not much (2014-15)) and the fact he's backed by the government of a country with human rights issues.


Edited by TyreSmokeDownshift, 02 February 2016 - 08:13.


#21 SenorSjon

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 08:41

Verstappen.

Already accident prone and no acceptance of blame whatsoever.

 

He is penalty prone not accident prone. ;)



#22 RedBaron

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 08:44

Who voted Alonso? Show yourself.



#23 sopa

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 09:39

It doesn't seem like there is anyone, who can outright match Maldonado's prime form in crashing. :p 

 

But OP is right that there are always "enemies". And usually someone emerges as the almost universally most disliked driver on the grid, for whatever reason.

 

Recall 2014, when most people thought Adrian Sutil is an incredibly boringâ„¢ driver and should quit F1 instantly.

 

So yeah, someone will emerge... It could be an old guy not delivering, crashing, and not really justifying a good seat (Raikkonen, Massa). It could be a driver, who is flatout not performing, possibly also in a good car (Ericsson), or it could be a somewhat-talented young driver, who can't deal with the expectations and hype and loses his head, which ends in loads of crashes (i.e Verstappen, Sainz and Nasr as possibilities). Or someone, who is deemed an unsporting cheater (Rosberg?  :p ).



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 09:46

 An Olivier Grouillard or Pierluigi Martini who can almost single-handedly introduce the concept of the ten-second drive-through penalty for persistent blocking whilst being lapped.

 

 

:lol:  We haven't seen such guys in F1 for a while! Someone needs to emerge!


Edited by sopa, 02 February 2016 - 09:46.


#25 sopa

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 09:50

Where should Pastor go?

 

I was torn between various options until I reached "President of Venezuela". Nothing can beat that!



#26 BuddyHolly

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 09:56

I'll actually miss the guy, yes he was crazy on track but even in the most boring race he could liven it up and bring some excitement or laughter.

I voted Magnussen as he was a bit of a klutz in his McLaren year so I expect more of the same but sadly not on the level that Maldonado was. 



#27 sopa

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 10:06

 A driver who would willingly choose the number 13 with full knowledge of its connotations within Western culture.  

 

Pastor would answer to this just like Kimi: "I know what I am doing!"

 

Funny thing though... there is a fair amount of sympathy towards Pastor now that he has exited F1! And when we have boring races this year, a slogan will appear somewhere "Bring back Pastor! At least someone, who makes F1 exciting!" :) :D



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 12:36

I voted Max, of the crashers he's the only one with the speed and the attitude. For Pastor .... pleeeeeeeeeeeez not IndyCar, enough crashers there already and crazies too.



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 15:22

A few (useless) stats for our orientation

 

Based on the race accidents (according to the FIA lap charts since 2006) Magnussen, Massa, Perez and Grosjean are looking most likely. (no guarantees that this is completely right, these lap charts are bloody awful to read)
 

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Based on non-mechanical retirements it would be Grosjean, Gutierrez, Hulkenberg or Verstappen....

           Non-mechanical DNFs      Races        
Maldonado  13                        95         13.7 %
Grosjean   11                        85         13.3 %
Gutierrez   5                        38         13.2 %
Hulkenberg 10                        94         10.6 %
Verstappen  2                        19         10.5 %
Perez       8                        93          8.6 %
Ericsson    3                        35          8.6 %
Button     24                       284          8.5 %
Raikkonen  19                       231          8.2 %
Massa      18                       229          7.8 %
Rosberg    14                       185          7.6 %
Vettel     10                       158          6.3 %
Hamilton   10                       167          6.0 %
Alonso     15                       253          5.9 %
Stevens     1                        18          5.6 %
Bottas      2                        56          3.6 %
Kvyat       1                        37          2.7 %
Ricciardo   2                        88          2.3 %
Magnussen   0                        19          0.0 %
Nasr        0                        19          0.0 %
Sainz       0                        19          0.0 %
Rossi       0                         5          0.0 %

Yeah, forget it....


Edited by Marklar, 02 February 2016 - 15:38.


#30 Kristian

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 16:11

A few (useless) stats for our orientation

 

Based on the race accidents (according to the FIA lap charts since 2006) Magnussen, Massa, Perez and Grosjean are looking most likely. (no guarantees that this is completely right, these lap charts are bloody awful to read)
 

cstit22t.png

 

Based on non-mechanical retirements it would be Grosjean, Gutierrez, Hulkenberg or Verstappen....

           Non-mechanical DNFs      Races        
Maldonado  13                        95         13.7 %
Grosjean   11                        85         13.3 %
Gutierrez   5                        38         13.2 %
Hulkenberg 10                        94         10.6 %
Verstappen  2                        19         10.5 %
Perez       8                        93          8.6 %
Ericsson    3                        35          8.6 %
Button     24                       284          8.5 %
Raikkonen  19                       231          8.2 %
Massa      18                       229          7.8 %
Rosberg    14                       185          7.6 %
Vettel     10                       158          6.3 %
Hamilton   10                       167          6.0 %
Alonso     15                       253          5.9 %
Stevens     1                        18          5.6 %
Bottas      2                        56          3.6 %
Kvyat       1                        37          2.7 %
Ricciardo   2                        88          2.3 %
Magnussen   0                        19          0.0 %
Nasr        0                        19          0.0 %
Sainz       0                        19          0.0 %
Rossi       0                         5          0.0 %

Yeah, forget it....

 

But including practice sessions and qualifying? 



#31 johnmhinds

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 16:43

There will never be another Maldonado, I'm afraid. But I think Pérez can be a good replacement even if he doesn't subscribe to the slogan "if you don't crash, you're not going fast enough." Oh, and NASCAR!

 

We will all miss you, Pastor!

 

Any idea what was going on here?

 

Did he just get distracted by his pit crew asking him to change his settings?



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 16:50

*sigh of relief*  adiós 



#33 MikeV1987

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 17:10

Calling it now, Sainz jr. I don't expect him to be as bad as Maldonado though. A Red Bull seat could possibly up for dibs in 2017, Verstappen will calm down and keep his cool, Sainz is the one who has something to prove.

 

I'd like to see Maldonado go to Indycar. That series is already very entertaining for the most part but might as well throw a wild card in there!


Edited by MikeV1987, 02 February 2016 - 23:03.


#34 AlexS

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 17:51

There aren't always have been a Maldonado so what about none ? An option which btw isn't in the poll.



#35 Jimisgod

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 19:49

So, the age of Maldonado is over, 2011-2015.

 

Not a patch on the 1980-1994 of the original crash man, De Cesaris.



#36 maverick69

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 21:24

Who voted Alonso? Show yourself.

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#37 Tony Mandara

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 22:55

I'd go for Alonso or Verstappen. Not because I think either will...but just to wind up the most fevered supporters (worshippers?) and get them frothing at the mouth!

 ;)  ;)

Edited by Tony Mandara, 02 February 2016 - 22:56.


#38 RPM40

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 23:19

Its going to be Kimi.  He was already inflicting Maldonado-esq carnage on the grid last year, multiple crashes with Bottas, taking Alonso out at Austria, spinning on his own. His 're-entry' of the track at Silverstone 2014 would have earned any other driver a multiple race ban.


Edited by RPM40, 02 February 2016 - 23:19.


#39 Ben1445

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 23:56

I voted Verstappen. My problem is that he seemed to pull off a number of overtakes that ran very close to the boundary of, at very best, rude. One of which he got a BBC award for. My thinking is he might pull off more of these, and might have a few collisions in the process. 

If I'm right: Max Versmashen.

I'm I'm wrong: this post may potentially make me look very silly in a few years time.



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#40 Jimisgod

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 00:51

Wow the forum has turned on Max overnight. He's significantly cleaner than Ferrari-Kimi was last year.



#41 arial

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 05:57

Verstappen. He had the most penalty points in 2015 and I expeect more of the same from him this year.



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Posted 03 February 2016 - 09:48

I think Kimi probably had more incidents than Maldonado in the last couple of years? 

 

Maybe but pretty low key in comparison.

 

Anyway it has to be Kimi. Kimi is more than a Maldonado cause he's in a top car and been way underwhelming and crashing into Rolex signs. 

 

Pastor Maldonado is like Ricky Ponting, John Terry, Stuart Broad, Andy Murray. You need a pantovillian in sport to make it exciting otherwise sport is duller. You'll all miss Pastor unless K-Mag picks up the slack. 


Edited by Wheels23, 03 February 2016 - 09:51.


#43 Nemo1965

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 10:10

I voted Verstappen. My problem is that he seemed to pull off a number of overtakes that ran very close to the boundary of, at very best, rude. One of which he got a BBC award for. My thinking is he might pull off more of these, and might have a few collisions in the process. 

If I'm right: Max Versmashen.

I'm I'm wrong: this post may potentially make me look very silly in a few years time.

 

Well, Senna was once admonished by Stewart because he crashed so much... justifiably so, might I add. The same can be said for Villeneuve, Scheckter (in the beginning of his career), Mario Andretti... Some drivers learn during their career and pick the fruits of it (Senna, Andretti, Scheckter), some never learn before the end of their career (Villeneuve, Maldonado, Brambilla. De Cesaris).

 

So crash-prone drivers can be found among the best and the worst.



#44 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 10:25

There can be only one. 

 

I just hope we never have to see him race a single seater on an oval with other drivers around. 

 

On an oval - yes. In a single seater on an oval - no. That would be taking it a bit too far. 



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Posted 03 February 2016 - 10:26

 

So crash-prone drivers can be found among the best and the worst.

But most of them are among the worst.



#46 sopa

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 11:02

 

So crash-prone drivers can be found among the best and the worst.

 

The so-called crash prone drivers among the 'best drivers' are nowhere near as crash-prone as the worst ones. I mean if you want to challenge for WDC-s, you need to be relatively consistent, and can afford perhaps only a couple of crashes per season. Having a hit ratio to the extent of Maldonado will make the challenge a bit too difficult.

 

Interesting trivia question though. Which F1 WDC contender (in mathematical contention before the last race) has had the most crash-prone season? I don't know if there are any such statistics.  :p

 

Another issue is that rookies tend to be more crash-prone. They (may!) mature as the time goes on. Magnussen and Verstappen are often brought as examples here, but they have only had a learning year in F1. Look at how crash-prone Nico Rosberg was in his first season. Vettel was also called as a crash-kid around 2010 IIRC, same with Hamilton in 2008.


Edited by sopa, 03 February 2016 - 11:03.


#47 sopa

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 11:08

But most of them are among the worst.

 

Indeed.

 

Perhaps the most crash-prone driver we have seen for a while, was Yuji Ide himself. But that's because he could hardly keep the car on the road anyway.  :D



#48 The Kanisteri

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 11:23

Er...Kevin Magnussen replaces Pastor Maldonado, so answer in first question is ready.

2nd question didn't have option "Destruction Derby" I would have voted. (So El Presidente of Venezuela he is)



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Posted 03 February 2016 - 12:51

The so-called crash prone drivers among the 'best drivers' are nowhere near as crash-prone as the worst ones. I mean if you want to challenge for WDC-s, you need to be relatively consistent, and can afford perhaps only a couple of crashes per season. Having a hit ratio to the extent of Maldonado will make the challenge a bit too difficult.

 

Interesting trivia question though. Which F1 WDC contender (in mathematical contention before the last race) has had the most crash-prone season? I don't know if there are any such statistics.  :p

 

 

 

Webber 2010?  :stoned:


Edited by Wheels23, 03 February 2016 - 12:51.


#50 DerFlugplatz

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Posted 03 February 2016 - 20:56

Tbh if one the guys who raced in F3 last year like Lance Stroll made it to F1, then I think one can talk of the true heir to Maldonado


Edited by DerFlugplatz, 03 February 2016 - 21:04.