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[Timstr11]

Since there is some news on the 2016 car, it warrants its own thread.

 

 

The RS16 is an evolution of our previous cars,” explained designer Nick Chester, “particularly our 2015 car, but incorporating the Renault power unit.”

The late confirmation of Renault’s takeover means the team faced “quite a change to architecture right at the last minute,” according to Chester.

“It’s been a real challenge to incorporate the Renault Sport power unit. We made the decision very late to put the Renault Sport power unit in and the amount of work you have to do to re-sculpt the chassis, change the cooling geometry, all in the matter of a few months, has been a really big effort for Enstone. But now we’re all the way through the crash testing it’s been a really good effort.”

Chester confirmed the team intends to continue using the E23-derived car while making an early start on plans for 2017, when a sizeable change in the regulations is currently planned.

“The technical challenges for 2016 are partly rebuilding the team, so getting strength back in the areas where we were weak, and then improving what’s hopefully a reasonable baseline car through the year and developing our strength,”

 

According to the Renault press kit, the Renault PU has approx. 875 HP output: http://media.renault...kit_2016_en.pdf

 

(Edited to indicate this is a show car based on the E23)

 

Show car at launch:

Edited by Timstr11, 07 February 2016 - 12:30.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Isn't it a show car?

[Owen]

To be honest I'm not sure what we're looking at. It's a show car with a tentative livery that may change prior to the first race.

[V8 Fireworks]

Since the actual 2016 car has been launched it warrants its own thread.

 

 

I also read a report somewhere that Renault has put a figure of 875 HP on their PU output.

 

 

What happened to Rexona?

 

Did Infiniti reduce their sponsorship drastically, or Renault simply not want Infiniti to overpower Renault branding?

 

Why are the minor sponsors so tiny?

 

So,,,, are those sponsor placements really indicative of final livery?    If so, it's very badly designed.

 

I guess it does look "good" (it matches my road car, I suppose, not that I really want a black car, but used car buyers cannot be choosy) 

 

BUT I don't get it.  It's so bland?  What's the point, there is nothing very "Renault" about it?  The livery doesn't acheive anything?  The livery doesn't fit the image of Renaultsport, and the Infiniti branding is so tiny it is like Renault are embarrassed about all those years of huge purple splashes on the Red Bulls?   

 

 

doesn't resemble in any way:

 

 

 

 

 

 

     

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 03 February 2016 - 16:41.

[Timstr11]

It is just a show car: http://www.motorspor...how-car-671437/

 

I'll edit my initial post.

[Marklar]

What happened to Rexona?

 

Did Infiniti reduce their sponsorship drastically, or Renault simply not want Infiniti to overpower Renault branding?

 

Why are the minor sponsors so tiny?

 

So,,,, are those sponsor placements really indicative of final livery?    If so, it's very badly designed.

Rexona is since last year already at Williams.

 

My understanding is that Infiniti ended the relationship and not Red Bull.

[V8 Fireworks]

 

 

My understanding is that Infiniti ended the relationship and not Red Bull.

 

Oops, I forgot that Rexona went to Williams.

 

So why is the Infiniti signage so much smaller on the Renault Sport team than Red Bull?  Infiniti do not wish to sponsor heavily in F1 anymore? 

[Mercstar]

Just to confirm, the car used at the launch event was last years chassis with an interim livery (apparently there will be more yellow by the time we get to Melbourne), but the official studio shots released are of the 2016 Renault R16. 

[V8 Fireworks]

Just to confirm, the car used at the launch event was last years chassis with an interim livery (apparently there will be more yellow by the time we get to Melbourne), but the official studio shots released are of the 2016 Renault R16. 

 

I see! That makes more sense.   

 

Because this interim livery, frankly it's pretty garbage, it's not really a livery at all...

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 03 February 2016 - 16:45.

[Timstr11]

'@InfinitiGlobal plays a big marketing role too. We're told that it is also "developing the second generation of ERS" for the F1 car
https://twitter.com/...886290945232896

Edited by Timstr11, 03 February 2016 - 16:47.

[shonguiz]

To understand who does what

http://www.motorauth...formula-one-car

Taffin here Says that they spent a lot to upgrade Viry

http://motorsport.ne...ison,99764.html

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Interestingly the nose is a little bit different. There is a bump underneath.

 

[Nathan]

Where is the FOM sponsorship sticker??..

[aportinga]

Just to confirm, the car used at the launch event was last years chassis with an interim livery (apparently there will be more yellow by the time we get to Melbourne), but the official studio shots released are of the 2016 Renault R16. 

 

Okay - this is good to know. I sure would like to see the Alonso era liveries.

 

Colors are very important to me 

[aportinga]

I see! That makes more sense.   

 

Because this interim livery, frankly it's pretty garbage, it's not really a livery at all...

 

Yeah - why have a launch?

 

Other than some minor tech specs - which we know will be few, who cares?

 

WOW - apparently 1,200 people were logged on.

 

"And that's why she commands a salary of $40,000.00 per year Frank!"

Edited by aportinga, 03 February 2016 - 18:23.

[Timstr11]

Where is the FOM sponsorship sticker??..

Redbull, Ferrari etc. aren't carrying one. Why should Renault?

Better that the money goes to a race team employing normal people rather than into the pockets of CVC billionaires.

[johnmhinds]

Just to confirm, the car used at the launch event was last years chassis with an interim livery (apparently there will be more yellow by the time we get to Melbourne), but the official studio shots released are of the 2016 Renault R16. 

 

It's exactly the same car in all the pics though?

 

The studio pic is of the same car they had on the stage.

Edited by johnmhinds, 03 February 2016 - 18:28.

[Viryfan]

According to Canal +, Ocon will do several FP1 sessions.

[Petroltorque]

The power output figure of the PU is an error. At 875bhp would put it 50bhp up on the class leading Merc and 75bhp ahead of the Ferrari.

[917k]

The power output figure of the PU is an error. At 875bhp would put it 50bhp up on the class leading Merc and 75bhp ahead of the Ferrari.

 

I have read that the Mercedes unit was close to 900 bhp - where do you get your figures? Not saying you are wrong and not taking my source as accurate either....

[Spillage]

I hope that isn't the final livery. The grid is sorely short of a yellow car, so I'm hoping Renault will come good.

[Marklar]

Figures are quite unclear. However most are guessing Mercedes somewhere over 830, but definetely under 900. I guess that 875 sounds pretty realistic for the 2015 Merc engine, but probably not for the 2016 Renault engine.

[UraNage]

The power output figure of the PU is an error. At 875bhp would put it 50bhp up on the class leading Merc and 75bhp ahead of the Ferrari.

i also find it strange 

mercedes ICE produce about 720- 730 hp so how come renault have 875 in total 

[Marklar]

i also find it strange 

mercedes ICE produce about 720- 730 hp so how come renault have 875 in total 

 

According to Lauda at the season start of 2014 Mercedes was already on 740 hp....

[Lord_Shaitan]

According to Canal +, Ocon will do several FP1 sessions.

I can't hide I'm just happy that statement above lies in opposite to what you wrote before. It would be irrational to lend Ocon from Mercedes just for PR stuff. Fingers crossed for this young bloke. I'm really hoping he'll get some FP1 outings this season and maybe a full seat for 2017.

[maverick69]

I'm pretty sure that the works Merc is pushing out a good chunk over 900bhp, combined, in qualifying trim.

 

That's partly why the "we need 1000bhp engines" thing got swept under the table.

[jonpollak]

Maybe I can get a paddock pass from Tony Parker this year or somethin'

[UraNage]

 

According to Lauda at the season start of 2014 Mercedes was already on 740 hp....

i prefer trust cowell 

[Marklar]

i prefer trust cowell

Probably Cowell meant w/o electro power. So you can add 160 hp on that

[Kyo]

Figures are quite unclear. However most are guessing Mercedes somewhere over 830, but definetely under 900. I guess that 875 sounds pretty realistic for the 2015 Merc engine, but probably not for the 2016 Renault engine.

 

 

i also find it strange 

mercedes ICE produce about 720- 730 hp so how come renault have 875 in total 

 

 

 

According to Lauda at the season start of 2014 Mercedes was already on 740 hp....

 

Lauda was talking about ICE only or peak power? because 740hp +160hp = 900hp

[Marklar]

Lauda was talking about ICE only or peak power? because 740hp +160hp = 900hp

He said 580 ICE plus 160. But again this was two years ago. No way that they didnt improved in the meantime.

I guess now Cowell meant just ICE. So it is actually close on 900 overall.

Edited by Marklar, 03 February 2016 - 22:33.

[Kyo]

He said 580 ICE plus 160. But again this was two years ago. No way that they didnt improved in the meantime.

I guess now Cowell meant just ICE. So it is actually close on 900 overall.

580 to 720-730 is a 25% improvement. Seems too much but who knows...

 

When did Cowell say 720-730hp?

[Lee Nicolle]

Daily we are getting a 'livery' annoucement. Which will change by the week after,, especially if they find a sponsor with money.

The 'new' Renault as I understand is using last years engine refettled by an outside company, just like RedBull.

[UraNage]

Probably Cowell meant w/o electro power. So you can add 160 hp on that

yes mate ICE only , honda was about 650 hp while arai said there is 75 hp deficit to mercs early in 2015 

so thats why i was wonder about renault number 

 

 

When did Cowell say 720-730hp?

i think i read it before that he said its equal with the v8 power 

[Marklar]

No need to wonder about the Renault number as they say total power, so they probably included all, would be stil too much though.

[OSX]

So why is the Infiniti signage so much smaller on the Renault Sport team than Red Bull?  Infiniti do not wish to sponsor heavily in F1 anymore? 

Renault bought the Lotus F1 team in order to get more attention to the Renault brand which is something that they weren't really getting with their Infiniti Red Bull Racing deal. And while Infiniti parted ways with Red Bull at the end of the year Red Bull will run their Renault engines under the TAG Heuer brand this year.

[UraNage]

No need to wonder about the Renault number as they say total power, so they probably included all, would be stil too much though.

thats my point i checked it now again arai said honda behind mercedes 50 hp , giving it was at 640 hp so mercs was 690 hp plus 40 after spa so it is 730 hp i assume.

no way renault produce 875 hp in total if all above numbers believed to be true 

hopefully they surge and recover fast for the sack of some great rivaling from great drivers 

[FPV GTHO]

875hp is with 160hp ERS clearly. That gives them 715Hp from the fuel. Mercedes claimed their ICE was the same or ahead as the V8's and total power unit output same or ahead of the V10's. Conservative numbers there would be in the region of 740hp/900hp, although Honda reported they almost had 1000Hp from their V10 and the 2006 V8's would've gotten close to 800hp.

So all that said, 875hp/715hp is still behind Mercedes and Ferrari.

[Vettelari]

Toro Rosso claims to have gained nearly a second by switching from the 15 Renault to the 15 Ferrari. I would think that equates to a gap of around 90 or so hp. So, to use arbitrary numbers, that'd put Renault at 790ish, Ferrari at 880ish, & Merc at 900ish. Completely guessing. Just using ballpark numbers to illustrate the engine gap in 2015.

If Renault can find 85 hp for their engine in the off-season I will be THOROUGHLY impressed. I don't foresee Merc adding more than 30 or Ferrari adding more than 40. With that big of a gain we will see RBR winning races on merit once again. All in my worthless opinion, of course.

Edited by Vettelari, 04 February 2016 - 03:44.

[V8 Fireworks]

Renault bought the Lotus F1 team in order to get more attention to the Renault brand which is something that they weren't really getting with their Infiniti Red Bull Racing deal. And while Infiniti parted ways with Red Bull at the end of the year Red Bull will run their Renault engines under the TAG Heuer brand this year.

 

You didn't answer my question.

 

Promoting Infiniti was more important than promoting Renault before, according to Nissan/Renault.. hence they tipped in money to Red Bull to have huge purple Infiniti signs and NOT to have huge yellow Renault signs.  Yet now with the chance to move Infiniti sponsorship to their own Nissan/Renault team, the Infiniti signs disappear.  Infiniti is not important anymore? 

[Petroltorque]

There is not that much entropy in the system under present rules to produce 900bhp. Andy Cowell stated with a PU efficiency of 45% that equates to a power output of 820-830bhp with 100kg petrol.

[Timstr11]

http://www.motorspor...1&q=Andy cowell

Top engines will be well over 900 HP in 2016.

[FPV GTHO]

http://www.motorspor...1&q=Andy cowell

Top engines will be well over 900 HP in 2016.

900hp will be the whole power unit, as stated in the article.

"If I look at today's internal combustion engine (ICE), today's V6 1.6-litre turbo charged engine is approximately the same power as the V8 engine was," explained Cowell.

The V8's were around 750HP and the new power units were intended to produce that number with 160HP of ERS. Instead they can produce it with the ICE alone.

"Both the V8 and the current V6 ran a hybrid system. If you add the KERS on to the V8 and the ERS on to the V6, and look at maximum power values, then today's V6 with ERS is 10 percent more powerful than we had with V8 and KERS.

750HP V8 and 80HP KERS gives you 830HP. 10% more from the V6 PU gives you 913HP.

[Petroltorque]

I am pretty sure that any suggestion of 900 bhp under the present rules is wrong. To get up to that would require complete redesigns of the combustion systems as Wolfe said in an interview last year.

[TheRacingElf]

Am I the only one who thinks all the manufacturers are exaggerating a bit?

[maverick69]

I am pretty sure that any suggestion of 900 bhp under the present rules is wrong. To get up to that would require complete redesigns of the combustion systems as Wolfe said in an interview last year.

 

Not according to Andy Cowell

 

http://www.motorspor...1&q=Andy cowell

[mistareno]

How do you reckon it would look with a splash of yellow and silver in the form of the Renaultsport checkered  pattern?

 

Pardon my **** Photoshop...

 

Edited by mistareno, 04 February 2016 - 09:24.

[Petroltorque]

Having read the quoted article Cowell suggested than the current PUS with ERS are 10% more powerful than the V8s with KERS. If you accept that the best V8 plus KERS had 750bhp that would put the V6T PU with ERS at 825bhp as suggested. The problem is ill informed journos see 40% efficiency of the ICE as 750bhp which is a fail. To get to that 40% efficiency the manufacturers are combine the output of the ICE crankshaft boosted by the recovered Turbine gasses of The MGU-HEAT and supplemented by the MGU-KINETIC. That is an engine completing the race distance in a sustain mode. In addition some energy can be stored in the ES to provide a peak boost. That probably is no more than 45kw 60bhp. That energy already harvested from a 40% efficient PU not energy that has suddenly created from nothing, contrary to the laws of physics.

[JeePee]

A hundred times better, Mistareno!

Edited by JeePee, 04 February 2016 - 09:30.

[noikeee]

How do you reckon it would look with a splash of yellow and silver in the form of the Renaultsport checkered  pattern?

 

Pardon my **** Photoshop...

 

 

I think the final livery is going to look a lot like that, except inverted... swap the black with the yellow...

 

It's going to be a garish bright yellow too, judging by the shirts the staff were wearing at the presentation yesterday.