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#1 Jim77

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 11:02

If anyone is interested in club results 66-71 I've uploaded some to David Riley website who has kindly added a results section  http://daveriley.wee...sults-page.html . Majority of events were Bemsee with the other clubs they cover Brands 67-71, Snetterton 67-70, Cadwell 66-67 and Thruxton 68 & 70.


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#2 Paul Collins

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 17:46

Thanks for posting, I've just had a look at the Cadwell results and seen some familiar names, the Machin brothers and Ken Redfern to name just a few, and some of those 250 lap times would have been good enough to win 10 years later!!

You should post some of those photo's up on here which are in the "can you identify" section as I bet some of the members on here could help with names and locations for a lot of them.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 21:59

Not sure but I think the sheets refer to the Woodlands part of Cadwell 66-67, were they using the longer club circuit 10 years later?

See  http://racingcircuit...ml#.VrkCuMWoE0M



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 22:04

If anyone is interested in club results 66-71 I've uploaded some to David Riley website who has kindly added a results section  http://daveriley.wee...sults-page.html . Majority of events were Bemsee with the other clubs they cover Brands 67-71, Snetterton 67-70, Cadwell 66-67 and Thruxton 68 & 70.

Blimey, nostalgia overload.  Thanks for digging them out. 



#5 Paul Collins

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 22:19

Not sure but I think the sheets refer to the Woodlands part of Cadwell 66-67, were they using the longer club circuit 10 years later?
See  http://racingcircuit...ml#.VrkCuMWoE0M


I think the 1.5 mile club circuit would have been in use by then Jim, once the circuit had expanded into the countryside to form the 2.25 mile full circuit in the early 60's.

The 1 mile woodlands circuit which just used the top bit and turned back on itself at the bottom of Coppice only tended to be used in bad weather when fog wouldn't shift from the valley out in the country, apart from in later years when they ran the Bill Ivy trophy on it for a few seasons.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 22:58

Hi Jiim

 

Do you have any club programs for 70-76 ?



#7 Jim77

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 00:07

Just calculated distance from time/velocity appears to have been 1.3m which doesn't appear to tally with any of the Cadwell configurations?

Any programmes I had were sent to Dave Riley's site some he already had,



#8 Paul Collins

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 07:46

Hi Jim, that would make sense as a 1.3 mile circuit did exist, it used a slightly earlier hairpin instead of the 1.5 mile hairpin at the bottom of the Mountain, it became known in later years as the 'Bantam' circuit as the Bantam club always seemed to use it in the 70's.

It was also the circuit used for the old Thursday practice days.

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#9 Russell Burrows

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 18:10

I've been poring over these savant like for ages this afternoon.   I now feel more than a bit melancholic - if only I had stayed here and bought that Seeley G50. :cry:   The clubs were ,and probably still are, so well organised, the comprehensive results sheets being only part of this set up.     As far as I'm aware, nothing like this existed in Australia, or anywhere else. 



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Posted 09 February 2016 - 21:43

We certainly had a thriving club scene in the 70's and 80's Russell, personally I can only go back as far as 1971 as a spectator, and 1978 as a rider, but i'm sure the 60's was equally well supported looking back at those old programmes

 

Certainly in the 1970's, apart from when there was a higher level meeting, or the very occasional car meeting taking place, there was a 'Clubbie' pretty much every Saturday & Sunday at Cadwell which was my local, and places like Brands seemed to be the same.

 

The amount of clubs was also staggering when you look back, but things started to change in the mid 1980's, insurance costs seemed to be one of the problems, along with some hefty rises in circuit hire charges, consequently a lot of clubs disappeared.

 

I remember squeezing on to some pretty packed grids, which always makes me smile when I see them spaced out 2 or 3 bikes to a row on TV nowadays, we were elbow to elbow, with 40 on the grid at some circuits!!



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Posted 09 February 2016 - 21:50

Presume now all events use transponders which make it easy to collect the timing data. Always wondered how many people were involved in doing the timing work at the old Bemsee meeting's to get the full race results or did they just make them up after the first 3 places?

 

Does anybody know what year they started using transponders on bikes and cars?



#12 Paul Collins

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 22:22

Yes it must have been a nightmare Jim, I remember having a discussion with a timekeeper once about this, and he said there was 4 or 5 assistants but each person had 4 or 5 riders each to cover, this was at Cadwell with a grid of 24 back then.

 

I don't know how they chose their groups of riders, probably guesswork or known ability, as if your group all ended up nose to tail in the race it would have been nigh impossible to operate the watches quickly enough to keep pace with them all!!



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Posted 10 February 2016 - 09:37

We certainly had a thriving club scene in the 70's and 80's Russell, personally I can only go back as far as 1971 as a spectator, and 1978 as a rider, but i'm sure the 60's was equally well supported looking back at those old programmes

 

Certainly in the 1970's, apart from when there was a higher level meeting, or the very occasional car meeting taking place, there was a 'Clubbie' pretty much every Saturday & Sunday at Cadwell which was my local, and places like Brands seemed to be the same.

 

The amount of clubs was also staggering when you look back, but things started to change in the mid 1980's, insurance costs seemed to be one of the problems, along with some hefty rises in circuit hire charges, consequently a lot of clubs disappeared.

 

I remember squeezing on to some pretty packed grids, which always makes me smile when I see them spaced out 2 or 3 bikes to a row on TV nowadays, we were elbow to elbow, with 40 on the grid at some circuits!!

Yes, Paul, I can recall some pretty full grids too.  Sometimes little or no room in the Brands paddock as well.  Insurance hikes due to us becoming a generally more litigious society I suppose, at least that's what they might choose to tell us.  BTW think I spotted a Stephen Parrish on a Triton or similar in one of those lists. Could it be ? 


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#14 Paul Collins

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Posted 10 February 2016 - 10:49

It most probably would have been him Russell, before coming to prominence in the early 70's winning a stars of tomorrow race at Brands, he would most likely have been around a for a couple of seasons before that.



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Posted 10 February 2016 - 16:32

I would like to dispute some of the results. I am of the opinion that I have been the victim of incompetent time keepers and demand a recount. ):

 

Yours, through rose tinted glasses.

 

Tony Edwards  :(



#16 Paul Collins

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Posted 10 February 2016 - 17:01

I would like to dispute some of the results. I am of the opinion that I have been the victim of incompetent time keepers and demand a recount. ):
 
Yours, through rose tinted glasses.
 
Tony Edwards  :(


On the other side of the coin I remember Mark Phillips at a Cadwell club meeting in about 1980 being told he had set a new club circuit 250 lap record with a time very close to the outright lap record, this was on an early 54x54 TZ250, Mark refused to accept the time they had posted, he disputed it with the club and reckoned they were about 2 seconds out, we all told him to accept it as it would stand for years, but I think he got them to scrub it in the end.

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 12:39

Dave Croxford, Pat Mahoney, Brian Hunter and others at a Bantam Racing Club meeting, Thruxton, 1970, with Croxford and Mahoney riding their big singles as well as little bantams to wins .  Who knew.   



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Posted 12 February 2016 - 14:54

Russell Burrows :- Posted Today, 12:39

Dave Croxford, Pat Mahoney, Brian Hunter and others at a Bantam Racing Club meeting, Thruxton, 1970, with Croxford and Mahoney riding their big singles as well as little bantams to wins .  Who knew.

It was Thruxton 17th August 1968.

 

The Bantam Racing Club thought it would be good promotion to invite a group of top short circuit stars; apparently it increased the normal 200 odd spectators to over 1000!  

Recently I sent John Colter bantam specialist the Thruxton BRC results because he had succeeded in beating the invited short circuit stars.

The MCN 21/8/68 heading was “Colter Beats the Aces”.

John thought the star riders were not noticeably faster in the corners than the top Bantam riders, but were very aggressive (as you would expect) it was all good natured fun to them.


Edited by Jim77, 12 February 2016 - 14:57.