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[Marklar]

As the first races started last weekend we could start the season thread. I've decided to put the (few remaining) national F3 series and the F4 series in the same thread, Since the FIA is rating the F4 championships even a bit higher it doesn't sound like a bad idea I think....

 

 

National F3

 

BRDC British F3

 

Japanese F3

 

Euro Formula Open

 

Formula 3 Brasil

 

Australian F3

 

 

F4

 

Italian F4

 

ADAC F4

 

MSA F4

 

SMP F4

 

Spanish F4

 

US F4

 

Japanese F4

 

Australian F4

 

Mexican F4

 

South East Asian F4

Edited by Marklar, 20 August 2016 - 16:59.

[Prost1997T]

You forgot Mexican F4: http://www.fiaformula4.mx/

[Marklar]

Thanks. Did added that now.

 

Looks like Mick Schumacher and Prema will be very tough to beat in Italian F4 this year. 2nd race and 2nd win for him.

[Prost1997T]

Thanks. Did added that now.

 

Looks like Mick Schumacher and Prema will be very tough to beat in Italian F4 this year. 2nd race and 2nd win for him.

 

That was the Group B+C race, there are still two more this weekend (A+C, and the final).

[Marklar]

That was the Group B+C race, there are still two more this weekend (A+C, and the final).

Today was Group A vs. Group B and Group B vs. Group C, right?

[Myrvold]

Ah, so they are doing it the way we did in karting when I was racing? split them in three. Then race AC, AB, BC, add them together to get a final?

[Volcano70]

This is like the third F4 thread but it's a good idea to include the regional F3's.

[Prost1997T]

Ah, so they are doing it the way we did in karting when I was racing? split them in three. Then race AC, AB, BC, add them together to get a final?

 

Yes, the best 36 go into the final. All races are worth points for the championship though.

Edited by Prost1997T, 09 April 2016 - 20:47.

[ezequiel]

http://www.acisporti.../live-streaming

 

F4 Italy live race 3 now

[Prost1997T]

LOL, pretty much instantly a big pileup at the start and red flag.

[yasushi888]

British F4 has become F3 now http://www.britishf3.com/

 

Not sure if it simplifies it or makes it more confusing!

[Prost1997T]

British F4 has become F3 now http://www.britishf3.com/

 

Not sure if it simplifies it or makes it more confusing!

 

Old news: http://forums.autosp...tish-formula-3/

 

Anyway, back to Italian F4...a lot of warnings for exceeding track limits.

[ezequiel]

Great maneouvre from Guzman to take the lead after some nice defensive driving from Siebert.

[Prost1997T]

Hmm, looks like he got away with that swerve into turn 1.

 

Stalled car at start/finish ends the race early, red flag.

Edited by Prost1997T, 10 April 2016 - 11:05.

[ezequiel]

Red flag again just when Siebert was trying a comeback

[yasushi888]

Old news: http://forums.autosp...tish-formula-3/

 

Anyway, back to Italian F4...a lot of warnings for exceeding track limits.

Yep, just the website on the opening post is the for the old f3.

[ezequiel]

Race 4 with another messy start

[Prost1997T]

Still under full course yellow? I guess I jinxed them

[Prost1997T]

Correa punts Cunati and retires a few corners later with steering damage. Instant karma

 

Seibert takes the lead from Guzman. Schumacher up to 7th.

Edited by Prost1997T, 10 April 2016 - 15:39.

[ezequiel]

Those Prema guys have great cars!

[Prost1997T]

Those Prema guys have great cars!

 

Well most of the field has about 2 shekels to rub together in comparison

[sportyskells]

that was dangerous there, marshal and crane and as we now know that should be safety car or FCY

[Prost1997T]

that was dangerous there, marshal and crane and as we now know that should be safety car or FCY

 

A few penalties would help in making them slow down for local yellows.

 

Siebert wins. Schumacher recovers to 5th.

Edited by Prost1997T, 10 April 2016 - 15:54.

[Prost1997T]

37 entries for ADAC F4 (quite a few overlapping with Italian F4), so the hype turned out to be empty. That said, a maximum of 35 will start the points paying races. http://www.paddocksc...f4-opener/34149

[Prost1997T]

Another caution-fest in mixed conditions for ADAC F4, with Joseph Mawson emerging victorious: http://www.paddocksc...hersleben/34212

 

Mathias Leist wins in BRDC F3 but Toby Sowery takes the points lead: http://www.britishf3...ne-carnage.aspx

 

RSF protege Alex Quinn takes the first MSA Formula race of the weekend: http://www.paddocksc...gton-race/34221

Edited by Prost1997T, 16 April 2016 - 18:53.

[Starchild]

Awesome debut for Sophia Floersch in ADAC F4.

Finished 9th on her debut in single-seaters, And best rookie (all 8 drivers ahead of her are in their 2nd season in adac f4)!

And also worth mentioning is that she is the youngest driver in the field, she's only 15.

Finally a female driver worth watching for. She have a talent and potential for some big things.

 

She is starting from P6 tomorrow in race 2.

[anneomoly]

Awesome debut for Sophia Floersch in ADAC F4.

Finished 9th on her debut in single-seaters, And best rookie (all 8 drivers ahead of her are in their 2nd season in adac f4)!

And also worth mentioning is that she is the youngest driver in the field, she's only 15.

Finally a female driver worth watching for. She have a talent and potential for some big things.

 

She is starting from P6 tomorrow in race 2.

 

She's not listed as an official rookie, due to her 5 race weekends with Ginetta Juniors and ADAC trying to stop Lando Norris winning all the things last year.

[Prost1997T]

MSA do the same thing, all F4 series in fact. Only karting graduates are classified as rookies.

[sportyskells]

meanwhile at Brands Hatch for the F3 there was a big crash but both drivers are OK (we find out how big it was when the highlights get shown unless someone was filming at Westfeild and got it on camera for youtube)

[Prost1997T]

Shame that Florsch got torpedoed near the end there, she was running a strong 3rd. Mawson has dominated though and is the ADAC F4 title favourite.

[Starchild]

Mick Schumacher wins 3rd race.

Yes, shame for Sophia. She was running in 6th place in race 2 and then a guy behind crashed into her, and she retired... In race 3 she was on her way to podium, and then in the last lap another guy crashed into her.    Fortunately she was able to finish 5th even tho she was missing a rear wing. Some great driving without rear wing to hold drivers behind her in that final lap.

Shame for erratic driving of drivers which crashed into her, but still an amazing debut weekend for her. This girl is a real deal.

[Prost1997T]

Well it's going stay a crash-fest judging by the weekend as a whole.

 

I've been impressed by Colton Herta as well, already started winning in BRDC F3 (unfortunately he had to start from the back in race 1 and was wrecked out of race 2).

[anneomoly]

MSA do the same thing, all F4 series in fact. Only karting graduates are classified as rookies.

 

 

 

Wikipedia says:

 

Lando Norris was considered rookie for rounds 3 and 5, however prior to round 8, he was reclassified as a non-rookie and therefore his results and victories from this category have been erased. David Beckmann inherits the Brit's four rookie wins as he finished runner-up to Norris in all of them.

 

My memory is that half way through round 5 (Nurburgring) he just disappeared from the rookie standings, and ADAC rewrote history. He - or any of the other Ginetta graduates - were never considered as rookies by MSA.

 

Because... reasons? (Well, I suspect because the rookie cup being won by someone who showed up for three weekends looks bad, and it sort of looked like he might.) Rules say "no licenced track car racing" but they also say rookie status can be given at the organisers discretion.

[Prost1997T]

I see. Well that clause is stupid then, but it's their series. He didn't have to race 75 times in the year

[anneomoly]

I see. Well that clause is stupid then, but it's their series. He didn't have to race 75 times in the year

 

You were expecting a racing series rules to make sense?

 

You must be new here      

 

Though I suspect in that instance they didn't really count tintops as "real racing" and didn't realise that Norris will just win whatever you put him in.

 

 

Anyway... Joey Mawson looks nailed on to win ADAC unless Schumacher sneaks it, Floersch has done her rep no harm at all with that outing... points, running in 6th when punted out, and that last lap on the third race can easily be built up as a gritty 5th against the odds rather than a lost podium... 2nd wasn't really in her capabilities cos Mawson was just too good for her, but she did well holding him off that long for a first weekend in the series. Vips was an idiot for that jump start though.. no need for it at all.

 

Sennan Fielding really ought to be going for the MSA championship this year... everyone who beat him last year has graduated away from the series, and most people who were close as well.

[Prost1997T]

You were expecting a racing series rules to make sense?

 

You must be new here      

 

Though I suspect in that instance they didn't really count tintops as "real racing" and didn't realise that Norris will just win whatever you put him in.

 

 

You just pointed out they can give rookie status at their discretion. Is the rookie "title" name only or worth say prize money? If he did lose something then is there an appeal process?

 

I've criticised them for more serious stuff like driving conduct on track...this is minor in the grand scheme of things.

Edited by Prost1997T, 17 April 2016 - 22:32.

[Rob29]

Note that there were FOUR female drivers in ADAC series-is this a record? Good luck to Sophia seems to be the best .

[anneomoly]

You just pointed out they can give rookie status at their discretion. Is the rookie "title" name only or worth say prize money? If he did lose something then is there an appeal process?

 

I've criticised them for more serious stuff like driving conduct on track...this is minor in the grand scheme of things.

 

Sporting regulations say:

 

6.2 The ADAC Formula 4 Championship best rookie title will be awarded to the driver who has

scored the highest number of points, taking into consideration all the results obtained during

the Events which have actually taken place. Drivers will only be eligible for this title if, prior to

the 01. January 2016, he or she had not competed in any licenced car circuit racing.

Drivers will be considered eligible for this title at the absolute discretion of the ADAC / DMSB.

 

Organisational regulations say:

 

5.3 2015 ADAC Formel 4 Rookie Cup

The prizes below shall be awarded in the 2015 Rookie Cup:

1st place in the year-end standings = non-cash prize

2nd place in the year-end standings = non-cash prize

3rd place in the year-end standings = non-cash prize

 

(both available in English and German on the ADAC site)

 

The line I've heard is that less than 5 race events on a car track is where their discretion has placed the boundary.

 

I would suspect in Lando's case, it doesn't matter. He won the MSA championship, he's definitely not cash strapped.

 

 

And despite all that, they can't stop me thinking that Floersch is looking like the best rookie in class. 8th overall in the standings and twice as many points as the first "real" rookie after a DNF? She's looked like the real deal ever since the first Ginetta race at Brands Hatch last year, I ain't getting off this bandwagon just yet. 

[ed24f1]

Great to see Mawson doing well! Probably the most promising young Australian in open-wheelers at the moment.

[Starchild]

Great to see Mawson doing well! Probably the most promising young Australian in open-wheelers at the moment.

Yes, but he needs to move on from this entry-level category. I don't know if he has problems with funding but that's already his 3rd year in F4 level.

He is 20 years old, too old for still driving in entry-level series. He is the same age as for example Gasly or Sirotkin, guys which are in their 2nd season of GP2...

[Prost1997T]

West-Tec joins Euroformula Open. http://www.f3open.ne...php?id=1085

[HistoryFan]

good for the series.

[Prost1997T]

RP Motorsport expands to 5 cars in EF Open, including Jack Aitken: http://www.euroformu...e.php?cont=1087

Edited by Prost1997T, 20 April 2016 - 11:28.

[Prost1997T]

Pulcini wins the first Euroformula Open race at Estoril, Ferdinand Habsburg is second.

 

Aitken wins from Pulcini in race 2.

Edited by Prost1997T, 25 April 2016 - 14:08.

[Prost1997T]

Chinese F4 also started last weekend, with an increased car count of 13. Liu Kai leads the championship standings.

Edited by Prost1997T, 26 April 2016 - 20:55.

[Prost1997T]

SMP/NEZ F4 begins in support of the F1 Russian Grand Prix at Sochi, with 2 races this weekend.

 

Jarno Opmeer was fastest in the first practice session: https://twitter.com/...5899264/photo/1

 

Richard Vershoor and Opmeer share the race wins, with Opmeer leading the points 43-25.

Edited by Prost1997T, 07 May 2016 - 14:05.

[Prost1997T]

The inaugural USF4 championship round has been delayed to June: http://www.f4uschamp...-s-championship

 

This weekend's Italian F4 round has 31 entries: http://www.acisporti...y_list_if4c.pdf

 

Newly renamed British F4 sees a slight expansion to 20 cars, with Petru Florescu taking both pole positions at Thruxton: http://fiaformula4.c...ton/?tr=558&sr=

 

Patricio O'Ward's winning streak in Mexican F4 was broken by Axel Matus at the Puebla roval: https://www.facebook...?type=3

Edited by Prost1997T, 07 May 2016 - 14:15.

[balage06]

Why are Prema abscent from the second Italian round? If I remember correctly, at the time they announced their programme, the calendar was different and there was a conflict with the second round of ADAC F4, but the organizers changed it, so the drivers refused to pay for this extra round, or something else?

[Prost1997T]

Floersch's comment about bump and run made me chuckle: http://www.motorspor...senring-734838/

 

He used all of his experience and completely covered the two or three ways there were of passing at Sachsenring. He made his car as wide as an 18-wheeler. In touring cars, you can tap the car ahead a little, move it out of the way. No such option in formula cars, which, if you ask me, is a shame.

 

I can also sympathise with the tedious nature of crash-SC-crash-SC that these races often devolve into.

[anneomoly]

Floersch's comment about bump and run made me chuckle: http://www.motorspor...senring-734838/

 

 

I can also sympathise with the tedious nature of crash-SC-crash-SC that these races often devolve into.

 

Danger of starting in Ginetta Juniors.... the Dark Side shows you its power.