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[P.Dron]

According to the official Formula 1 website (so it must be true), the first Monaco Grand Prix took place in 1950.

Edited by P.Dron, 31 May 2016 - 16:28.

[Automobiliart]

They should get out more ... they've been around themselves way to long ... 
Based on that, Formula1 = Grand Prix ... I beg to differ ...

[2F-001]

It's a relief to know that the sport's heritage is in safe hands...

 

(Here, I mean, if not at No.8 Place de la Concorde)

[D-Type]

Aaaaargh!  

[Allan Lupton]

Aaaaargh!  

d'accorde!

[B38]

According to the official Formula 1 website (so it must be true), the first Monaco Grand Prix took place in 1950.

 

So if it ain't F1, it is not a Grand Prix?

 

Or is it because in 1951 the time machine was invented?!

 

[Roger Clark]

Where does it say that?

[P.Dron]

Where does it say that?

 

Go to the F1 website. It's a bit fiddly to navigate around since they 'improved' it a while ago...

 

Click on MONACO, then Track Info and you will see:

 

FIRST GRAND PRIX

1950

[2F-001]

They also seem to imply that the only significant changes to circuit layout have been tweaks made since 2002.

[h4887]

To be fair (for once,) since it's the F1 web site, isn't it reasonable to assume that they're only talking about F1 Grands Prix?

[P.Dron]

To be fair (for once,) since it's the F1 web site, isn't it reasonable to assume that they're only talking about F1 Grands Prix?

 

No.

[Michael Ferner]

Then they'd still be short of the 1948 F1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO...

(where's the "spit on your graves" emoticon when you need it?)

[P.Dron]

They also seem to imply that the only significant changes to circuit layout have been tweaks made since 2002.

 

And there is reference to the "Loews hairpin", though Loews sold its crap hotel there a few years ago. Why don't they go a bit further back and call it the Station Hairpin? If I were a billionaire, I'd be tempted to buy the Rascasse restaurant and rename it Les Gazomètres.

Edited by P.Dron, 31 May 2016 - 20:30.

[Michael Ferner]

Ah, but the Virage du Gazomètre still exists!

[P.Dron]

Ah, but the Virage du Gazomètre still exists!

 

Really? Where? Surely there is La Rascasse and then Anthony Noghes...

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by Michael Ferner
(where's the "spit on your graves" emoticon when you need it?)

Is that an expression I can expect to hear often while I'm in Germany this week and next?

[Michael Ferner]

Oh, uh, yes, you may be right there. I guess they renamed it Anthony Noghes long ago

[Roger Clark]

To be fair (for once,) since it's the F1 web site, isn't it reasonable to assume that they're only talking about F1 Grands Prix?

It is a site about the World Championship.

It also shows first races at Spa and Monza as 1950.

[Sharman]

To be fair (for once,) since it's the F1 web site, isn't it reasonable to assume that they're only talking about F1 Grands Prix?

There is nothing reasonable about EFFwun

[2F-001]

You are quite right of course, Roger; we all know what they mean.

I'm not losing sleep over it, but it is potentially misleading - and sells short the history of the event. Are they not proud that such a long-standing event (just as famous in its own right as F1?) is a part of their championship? It just seems to smack of heavy-handed PR which bypasses a history they could gain from without diminishing their own perceived status.

Such supposedly authoritative sources can end up being taken as absolute in years to come and repeated elsewhere; then the 'truth' has to be disputed.

And I still maintain that what they actually say on another page implies an ignorance of the evolution of the circuit itself during the World Championship era.

[Charlieman]

Are we still talking about the William Grover-Williams trophy, first delivered to a British privateer in 1929? Not just a privateer -- William, from a wealthy background worked as a driver, mechanic and gopher at different teams. William Grover-Williams was in the seat when a Bugatti won the 1929 Monaco GP.

 

For certainty, we know that William Grover-Williams was executed by Nazis, a consequence of his involvement with resistance movements in Europe.