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[Paul Taylor]

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Edited by Paul Taylor, 08 June 2024 - 10:01.

[retriever]

I think I will give this site a miss

[E1pix]

I find it part of racing and perfectly fine.

If I owned a vintage race car and had the chance to add even a crash photo to its documentation, I would. I suppose there could even be cases where a photo might show where crash repairs began and/or ended.

[56Lotus]

I am in the position where I'm looking for a photo of my car after it was crashed in 1956.  It would be good to confirm what was replaced when it was sent back to Lotus for a rebuild.

 

If anyone has a photo of the Lotus Eleven wrecked by Mike Hawthorn at Oulton Park in 1956 then I would be extremely grateful.

 

Thanks

 

Jon Adams 

[pete53]

I think I will give this site a miss

I see where you are coming from. Personally, though, I think it will be okay as long as the photos are not of crashes that involved fatalities, or, are graphic pictures of incidents resulting in very serious injuries. Paul Taylor has already posted a number of crash photos on this site. The only problem is that a photo may be included where the outcome for the driver is, at the time, unknown. I believe this was the case with one picture Paul posted of fatal accident at Mallory involving a Ginetta driver who had been ejected from his car.

[Allen Brown]

I can see the value of such a site, especially for what I do.  If a car's last known appearance ended with an accident, a picture will help me understand whether that car is likely to have been repaired and to survive today.  However, it is a subject that has to be handled exceedingly sensitively.

[Vitesse2]

I see where you are coming from. Personally, though, I think it will be okay as long as the photos are not of crashes that involved fatalities, or, are graphic pictures of incidents resulting in very serious injuries. Paul Taylor has already posted a number of crash photos on this site. The only problem is that a photo may be included where the outcome for the driver is, at the time, unknown. I believe this was the case with one picture Paul posted of fatal accident at Mallory involving a Ginetta driver who had been ejected from his car.

But to be fair, Pete, there was very little known about that Ginetta crash, with even a tentative date offered for it being a year out and the driver's death possibly never having been reported in the specialist press, given that he succumbed to his injuries a fortnight later. It had certainly eluded Motorsport Memorial.

[Jack-the-Lad]

I find it part of racing and perfectly fine.
If I owned a vintage race car and had the chance to add even a crash photo to its documentation, I would. I suppose there could even be cases where a photo might show where crash repairs began and/or ended.

I agree. I have never understood the knee-jerk recoil from anything having to do with a motor racing crash, photos of same in particular. It happens. It's part of the sport and part of history. I support Paul's project.

[Michael Ferner]

I, too, applaud the initiative. I have little time for the see-no-evil faction that always pretends to argue from a higher moral ground - do as you please if you must, but leave those of us who are hungry for information alone!!

Having said that, I think the data base could do with a better interface. I understand that it is still very much under construction, so I hope you will improve the site as time passes. Also, why the blocking of right-click-copy? It is as useless as it is annoying, and I can't see why pictures you yourself have merely "borrowed" need to be "protected" that way.

[ensign14]

Two images that stick with me, and show how motor sport has changed, is the image of Kevin Cogan climbing from some folded bits of material that about ten seconds before was an Indycar, and the bump in the nose on Chet Miller's Novi that looks like all it needs is a quick buff-up and she's ready to go.  There's no damage from the bonnet back.  But the entire impact ran through the car - and its driver...

 

Perhaps the best illustration of how safety has evolved.

[F1matt]

Hi Paul, I have had a look at your site with some trepidation. Purely on a personal level I find watching somebody dying or sustaining serious/grave injuries in public hard to watch, I feel sympathy for the individuals family, friends, and fans but I do realise that people have a genuine interest as to what happened and why, and as someone above mentioned for their own research on cars they own or have an interest in. so i still had a good luck round your site, I looked at fatal and non fatal photo's and I appreciated the warnings you put on as you scroll through the photo's so I didn't bother scrolling down any further. I also like the large icon to opt out of the fatal entries, having had a good look round it is easy to use, easy to search for an incident and I realised how far we have come in terms of safety and this is something the sport should be proud of, however i would prefer if you had to opt in to see the fatal photo's instead of opting out, and maybe having to put your date of birth in to make sure that young children dont accidentally see some of the pictures? 

Well done on taking the time to create the site and making it easy to use and navigate around, and more than anything else thanks for the warnings so I can avoid the nasty bits.

[Cirrus]

A couple of observations. I really think there should be more of a warning as to the content of the later photos of the Gordon Smiley crash and there are currently 3 fatal accidents on the index page. If the "Fatals Off" button is selected, returning to the index page turns it back on.

 

Other than that, I think the site will be a very useful resource if it is continued to be managed sensitively.

[bartez1000]

documentingreality.com/forum/f10/indy-formula-one-fatal-non-fatal-crash-photos-stop-motion-color-b-w-frames-109345/ 

Gore photos forum, but has exceptonally good thread about motorsport crashes (usually not explicit). Worth taking a look (and maybe even paying registration fee).

Many of these photos are  certainly worth indexing on Your website.

Edited by bartez1000, 22 June 2016 - 16:35.

[austinharris]

It might be nice to allow contributors to say where the image came from AND link back to it.

 

For instance I noticed a photo taken from my site, (ironically if I had disabled right click you would have been able to use it easily).

http://www.the-fastl...php?editid1=440

 

Taken from here:

http://austinharris....1930-ards-tt/28

 

There is more information about the image on my site than has been copied across, and as mine is updated constantly it allows people to find out more.

 

Also the thing I learnt from doing my site over the last 10 years is that user comments are invaluable. The amount of info. I have got from them is huge, a lot of it from outside the motorsport world. The majority has come from children and grandchildren of the people in the photos.

[johnhelmets]

Its a very interesting project, some of the pictures are really amazing! 

[doc knutsen]

 

The database has reached a major milestone. We now have 1000 entries!

 

Here are direct links to some of the completed and WIP projects:

 

Fatal Formula 1 Crashes (37 crashes): http://the-fastlane....)&orderby=aYear

Fatal Indianapolis Crashes (52 crashes): http://the-fastlane....)&orderby=aYear

Fatal Le Mans Crashes (20 crashes): http://the-fastlane....)&orderby=aYear

 

NASCAR/ARCA/Stockcars (170 crashes, WIP): http://the-fastlane....)&orderby=aYear

 

 

The Nürburgring project is halfway complete, all Formula 1 crashes on the Nordschleife and all sportscar crashes up until 1967 are included. The German crashes project is likely to double in size once that is complete.

 

A further project which is not searchable (collectively) is the Fatal crashes of drivers who started or practiced in at least one WDC F1 event. So for that, we have everything from Louis Rosier's crash at the 1956 Coupe du Salon, to Guilio Cabianca's fatal collision with a taxi during testing at Modena in 1961 to Nasif Estefano's TC wreck in 1973. 

 

 

You might want to correct the description of the 1955 Levegh tragedy, where you state that at the time of the accident, Fangio was "leading Hawthorn by almost a lap". They were, of course, duelling for the lead at the time, with Hawthorn ahead of Fangio as he was heading for his first planned pit stop.