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[artista]

Part I here.
Part II this way.
Enjoy!

[AlexS]

From Exumer:

 

 

 

 

Well, Allison maybe isn't the best but not a slouch. But let's say he isn't the best and it was a right decision to let him go. What did we get in return? Binotto as TD. Is he good? I don't know. Everyone says that our engine is good. Is it? Renault caught up by the looks of it.

Our aero isn't on par with MB and RB. What did we get? Some aero guys from GT devision to help. Really?



Why didn't hire people from outside? What an arrogance thing to say that the team got enough talent when since 2009 we are lacking in every department. No fresh ideas, no innovations. In season development is bad. The list goes on and on.



Sergio lets his pride cloud the judgement. "We are Ferrari, we don't need anyone". Arrogance.





As for Vettel. He did some mistakes recently. I think he gave up on this year, he knows that we are not going to catch RB. those moves came from his frustration. I'm pretty sure he didn't think that his career at SF will go this way. He didn't think that after promising 1st year it will all turn to mess.

 

 

If you call Allison the third best engineer in F1 then Ferrari is about right there isn't it?

 

I agree with you regarding the engine. It is far from Mercedes(when they turn up the mode) and probably at Renault level at best.

[PilotPlant91]

There's simply no better TD out there to grab apart from Allison, and Marchione push him out 

[AlexS]

Did he pushed him out or he wanted out (the sad story of his wife sudden death).

[Konsta]

I guess it is fair to say that everything apart for the drivers is wrong with the team. If the car was brilliant, utter and complete inadequacy in the strategies would matter less but now it just highlights everything.

If the team had a top-notch strategist a'la Ross they could make up for the deficiencies. 

[Exumer]

 

If you call Allison the third best engineer in F1 then Ferrari is about right there isn't it?

 

I agree with you regarding the engine. It is far from Mercedes(when they turn up the mode) and probably at Renault level at best.

 

Well, I agree that Allison isn't the best. But did he have a chance to build the team in a proper way? I don't think so. He was hired by LdM but was working under Fry and Tombazis, then Matiacci and made changes, then SM and MA came and made changes. 

 

I agree with you that this car isn't the best and he is to blame for that as well. 

 

What I don't understand is why not poach the best people and then let him build the team. But nope, SM doesn't want that and MA doesn't have a clue about what to do and no balls to oppose SM.

[PilotPlant91]

Domenicalli received alot of hits for the downfall, but at least the strategy call was the best when he 's in charged. 

[Massa_f1]

Won't be getting 2nd in the constructors now I don't think. Not confident for next year either.

[Exumer]

Domenicali gave up on testing. That a crime. End of story. Since then, team cannot recover.

 

On top of that I can't see talent inside the team. We just copy someone else's innovations. We can't even copy Merc suspension ffs. But yeah, GT guys will help for sure.

 

Management sucks. Car design sucks. In season development sucks. Engine is okay-ish. Strategy calls sucks. What is Jock Clear doing really? 

 

Embarrassing. 

 

This year is done. But what about next one? Another 2009? RB will get better, McLaren seems like coming back to life. 

[AlexS]

Well, I agree that Allison isn't the best. But did he have a chance to build the team in a proper way? I don't think so. He was hired by LdM but was working under Fry and Tombazis, then Matiacci and made changes, then SM and MA came and made changes. 

 

I agree with you that this car isn't the best and he is to blame for that as well. 

 

What I don't understand is why not poach the best people and then let him build the team. But nope, SM doesn't want that and MA doesn't have a clue about what to do and no balls to oppose SM.

 

Allison brought 20 people from Lotus including Dirk de Beers(spelling might be wrong)  the aerodynamicist. When the Tombazis/Fry went out Allison took the rule. It is right that Allison had only one car designed totally under him - this year - and he should get another chance. But the wife situation changed every thing and then the failed Spain update.

Edited by AlexS, 02 October 2016 - 09:50.

[iakhtar]

Domenicalli received alot of hits for the downfall, but at least the strategy call was the best when he 's in charged. 

 

No it was awful then too. It's been going on for so long now unfortunately.

[Nonesuch]

no better TD out there to grab apart from Allison

Yeah, this car's a real winner.

Ferrari has failed across the board. It's just not good enough.

[anyeis]

Looks like Merc has about 10 laps in every race when they can go 1s faster with PU mode compared to Ferrari max racesettings.

[AlexS]

Probably more if they are in clean air.

[Exumer]

Probably more if they are in clean air.

Yeah, their PU is something. The whole package is a masterpiece.

[Ferrarista89]

Hello my dear Ferrari fans, just wanna say hi and i hope we will have a good time

 

 

Well i agree with you all, this season is such a huge pain and dissapointment for us. Beeing so close, yet so far and seeing teams like RBR outdelovoping Ferrari so badly. In a way this season is propably even bigger blow than 2014. At least back than we were sure there is no chance we are worse next year, but after this season nobody can be sure what Will happen next year. No wins is not even the worst, going backwards relative to competition is far worse.

[Vesuvius]

Looks like Merc has about 10 laps in every race when they can go 1s faster with PU mode compared to Ferrari max racesettings.

Likely so but we have to remember, that at that point Kimi had damaged floor and front wing so his car wasn't working normally.

[PilotPlant91]

Not a bad move in my opinion. This guy has huge knowledge on active suspension.

 

 

The Paddy Lowe to Ferrari rumours just aren’t going away.

Reports the Sunday Times of Mercedes’ highly-regarded and of course very, very successful technical chief:

‘Rumours persist that Lowe and the team are having difficulty agreeing a new contract and that he could leave at the end of this season. Ferrari, who parted company with technical director James Allison earlier this year are believed to be following the situation with interest’.

 

http://www.skysports...1-gossip-column

Edited by PilotPlant91, 02 October 2016 - 12:44.

[AlexS]

Probably just for negotiation.

[FLB]

They need somebody who can handle strategy, first.

 

If Allison really blew a fuse because he didn't want anybody to work out the car while he wasn't there (because of fear of having to cope with somebody else's mistakes), that was reason enough to replace him. Any organization cannot depend on a single man.

 

McLaren and Ilmor learned that lesson when Paul Morgan died. Graham Hill's team died on a golf course in the UK (a single plane crash wouldn't kill an entire team nowadays).

[Kulturen]

In the end, it's not really surprising Ferrari is third best on the track is it? After all, Mercedes and RedBull are simply superior organisations in every way.

 

Ferrari is never going to magically produce the best car unless they really luck out. It's not really shocking the best teams are producing the best cars.

[Enzoluis]

Domenicalli received alot of hits for the downfall, but at least the strategy call was the best when he 's in charged.

People without memory! Don' t you remember go out on wet tires with the sun in the sky?

[Enzoluis]

I have not a bad taste about today. Kimi were not loosing to much on hard tires. That is to me a big improvement and a sign of something changing in the technical aspect of the team. Ok, I know hot track with new surface, no matter of that I see an improvement.

[AlexS]

The team certainly improved the tire understanding.

[as65p]

People without memory! Don' t you remember go out on wet tires with the sun in the sky?

Wasn't that during the time "the Owl" gave advice from the pit wall?

[V8 Fireworks]

 

What I don't understand is why not poach the best people and then let him build the team. 

 

Those chassis builders are mostly in england, not so simple to pay for all the relocation costs.

 

How about james key from Toro Rosso?

[V8 Fireworks]

Ferrari is never going to magically produce the best car unless they really luck out. It's not really shocking the best teams are producing the best cars.

 

if the job of the race team is to promote road car business, their sales and reviews have never been better... so.... there is no problem?

[HPT]

Hello everyone, I haven't been here a while but I'm very fortunate to be able to drive Kimi in a classic Ferrari 328GTS for the drivers parade today so would like to share a few pics with you all. I was really excited, as you can imagine! Not sure if this is the right thread to post but since it's a Ferrari thread, here goes. Mods, please feel free to move it if this is the wrong place for this 

 

 

 

 

Asked for his autograph on the dash which he (almost reluctantly) obliged 

 

[AlexS]

Nice HPT.

 

 

 

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V8 from what i have read James Key has well protected contract probably with a gardening leave included.

Edited by AlexS, 02 October 2016 - 16:21.

[Flyhigh]

Yeah drivers are no issues at all   some people have their head stuck in the sand. The leading driver is unstable and keeps getting himself in wrecks a la Massa style, the number 2 driver has been for years  basically a glorified Irvine. 

Drivers are keen to the team in several aspects obviously, and I believe Ferrari needs to change the mindset there also, more risk taking with young guns and not gather behind a lead driver until he has absolutely proved in all qualities to be that.  

Also too much Italian going, Marchionne, Arrivabene, it becomes like a loose Lasagna, you got to have your British, German strong guy there at the top also to keep things cool and on point.  Don't take me wrong, I am Italian descent, but Ferrari does well when it has a mixed leadership on the top of the team. 

But in any case, I am enjoying this, seeing Ferrari struggle like this has been one of the few things adding an interesting flavors to F1 lately 

Edited by Flyhigh, 02 October 2016 - 17:59.

[wj_gibson]

I don't understand what Ferrari's plan to get back to the top is, or is meant to be.

With Mercedes, they just went out and hired everyone they could think of. Red Bull is simply a superbly organised racing team that seems to get everything right. I'm struggling to understand what Ferrari has that's better than either of those teams at the minute - or, frankly, McLaren who I feel are strongly placed to leapfrog them next season.

[EthanM]

I don't understand what Ferrari's plan to get back to the top is, or is meant to be.

With Mercedes, they just went out and hired everyone they could think of. Red Bull is simply a superbly organised racing team that seems to get everything right. I'm struggling to understand what Ferrari has that's better than either of those teams at the minute - or, frankly, McLaren who I feel are strongly placed to leapfrog them next season.

 

 

I 'm pretty sure they gave up on 2016 as soon as it became apparent Allison's absence meant little in season development which meant RedBull leapfrogged them. The only sensible thing would be for them to have switched over to 2017 when they did their internal reshuffle. I mean it's shocking how little development the chassis has received this season for a team with race win aspirations.

[kimister]

Yeah drivers are no issues at all   some people have their head stuck in the sand. The leading driver is unstable and keeps getting himself in wrecks a la Massa style, the number 2 driver has been for years  basically a glorified Irvine. 

Drivers are keen to the team in several aspects obviously, and I believe Ferrari needs to change the mindset there also, more risk taking with young guns and not gather behind a lead driver until he has absolutely proved in all qualities to be that.  

Also too much Italian going, Marchionne, Arrivabene, it becomes like a loose Lasagna, you got to have your British, German strong guy there at the top also to keep things cool and on point.  Don't take me wrong, I am Italian descent, but Ferrari does well when it has a mixed leadership on the top of the team. 

But in any case, I am enjoying this, seeing Ferrari struggle like this has been one of the few things adding an interesting flavors to F1 lately 

 

Like Kimi said once. It will give us a great pleasure to see you disappointed. Hopefully in near future. 

[Jovanotti]

Hello everyone, I haven't been here a while but I'm very fortunate to be able to drive Kimi in a classic Ferrari 328GTS for the drivers parade today so would like to share a few pics with you all.

Lucky bastard Did you mamage to have a quick chat as well?

[DrF]

Those chassis builders are mostly in england, not so simple to pay for all the relocation costs.

How about james key from Toro Rosso?

How about relocate to the UK?

[EthanM]

How about relocate to the UK?

 

They tried that in the Barnard years, didn't work out.

[V8 Fireworks]

not gather behind a lead driver until he has absolutely proved in all qualities to be that.  
 

 

4xWDC is pretty good though! 

 

Without a driver academy like Red Bull, Ferrari are not good at driver development.    I wonder why they don't spend a little more to have a full junior driver program?  If it's a sticking point, they could make sure Alfa Romeo, Maserati or FIAT brands win the contract to power GP2, so Ferrari can feel more comfortable in sponsoring one or more GP2 teams.

[PilotPlant91]

Yeah drivers are no issues at all   some people have their head stuck in the sand. The leading driver is unstable and keeps getting himself in wrecks a la Massa style, the number 2 driver has been for years  basically a glorified Irvine. 

 

Stop flattering Irvine    

[Slowersofterdumber]

Yeah drivers are no issues at all    ... The leading driver is unstable and keeps getting himself in wrecks, the number 2 driver has been for years basically a glorified Irvine. 
 

 

That almost worked for us in 2010. We just need a better car.

[HPT]

Lucky bastard Did you mamage to have a quick chat as well?

As you can imagine he's not the chatting type. He said just a few words. Maybe 5 or 6 in total. He's really not the friendliest among the drivers. It's just how he is. Ice cold haha

[Flyhigh]

4xWDC is pretty good though! 

 

Without a driver academy like Red Bull, Ferrari are not good at driver development.    I wonder why they don't spend a little more to have a full junior driver program?  If it's a sticking point, they could make sure Alfa Romeo, Maserati or FIAT brands win the contract to power GP2, so Ferrari can feel more comfortable in sponsoring one or more GP2 teams.

Vettel proved he could beat Webber in a team that formed him and cheerished him. No doubt about it, he delivered in RB and showed to be a top capable talent, but F1 is more about what have you done for me lately, and lately Vettel got floored by the new talent that arrived in RBR and is not doing that great in Ferrari. So in hiring Vettel, they should have made sure to keep him on his toes, hiring another strong young potential along side him, not treat him as a diva giving him the old buddy dream team mate Kimi and make him feel like a primadona which has been feeling at Ferrari. 

[PilotPlant91]

Vettel proved he could beat Webber in a team that formed him and cheerished him. No doubt about it, he delivered in RB and showed to be a top capable talent, but F1 is more about what have you done for me lately, and lately Vettel got floored by the new talent that arrived in RBR and is not doing that great in Ferrari. So in hiring Vettel, they should have made sure to keep him on his toes, hiring another strong young potential along side him, not treat him as a diva giving him the old buddy dream team mate Kimi and make him feel like a primadona which has been feeling at Ferrari. 

 

Oh please, if you want to disregard a driver like Kimi, at least put up some onboard videos and point it out what has he done to deserve your insult. Not "oh, old junk Kimi bla bla bla"

 

Just because Kimi is doing great, doesn't mean Vettel wasn't doing well.

 

Vettel does hate having teammate close to him though. Like 2010 all over where he get a little bit prone to agressive driving on Sunday.

[Exumer]

What are your predictions for Suzuka? Can we get closer to RB or 5th and 6th will be our max?

[PilotPlant91]

Doesn't seems any different to me........suzuka and sepang are alike in which they house lots of medium to high speed corners.

 

Unless pirelli go for softer tyre allocation, ditch Hard and bring SS into play, hard to imagine we could be in mix even for podium.

 

Weather does bring some sort of uncertainties though with typhoon roaming. 

[Vesuvius]

What are your predictions for Suzuka? Can we get closer to RB or 5th and 6th will be our max?

 

 

Suzuka is tailor made for RBR, that has the best chassis. Also the are always possibility of rain, that will suit even more to RBR. So normally I would say 5th and 6th are our results, but with bit of luck maybe podium is not out of the reach, of course Vettel´s penalty will make it more difficult.

Edited by Vesuvius, 03 October 2016 - 06:36.

[Konsta]

I am just sad.

While it is understandable and almost laudable that a TP defends the decisions made at the pitwall, a dash of honesty would be refreshing. The latest "aggressive strategy but everyone else did the same" -comment was just lame. First of all there was nothing even remotely aggressive about the chosen strategy - Max´s strategy was aggressive OTOH. Secondly the latter part of the comment just highlights the ineptitude of SF pitwall - their idea of aggressive is like putting full wets on pouring rain and being in awe as everyone else did that as well.

 

No imagination, no ability to be proactive and no ability to not panic. Not what you´d want really...

[AlexS]

I agree. Arrivabene from his public declarations does seem to be out of his element sometimes, in that he seems to be just a PR guy.

[Jovanotti]

The latest "aggressive strategy but everyone else did the same" -comment was just lame. First of all there was nothing even remotely aggressive about the chosen strategy - Max´s strategy was aggressive OTOH.

Frankly I expected Ferrari to do something similar to RB with MV - they chose the most soft compounds of all teams after all.

[Vesuvius]

Frankly I expected Ferrari to do something similar to RB with MV - they chose the most soft compounds of all teams after all.

 

indeed, after Kimi went long on the first stint and put hards on the first stop, he should have gone till the end but suddenly they changed the strategy and did that extra stop to cover Rosberg and failed again, like at Singapore.

[Razoola]

I am also not sure why Ferrari pitted Kimi. For me it was quite clear that Rosberg was going to catch kimi if they pitted kimi when they did. There is no way kimi was going to keep Rosberg behind given the track.

Would kimi have got to the end on those hards and one stopping I am not totally sure but he was not going to loose positions in trying and I feel that would have been the better option.

It seems to me that Ferrari spend to much time having their stratagy being dictated to by other teams. They really need to choose a stratagy and stick to it only allowing things like safty cars or punctures to change it. The one thing I have observed over recent years is unless you trying one stop less than the expected you always seem to give yourself better position if you do your first stop earlier rather than trying to stretch it out.

Edited by Razoola, 03 October 2016 - 08:37.