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[phrank]

https://fr.motorspor...rategie-958238/

 

I wonder if we will see some blue on RS18

Hope we see more yellow on the RS18 instead of being black :/

[Neno]

Hope we see more yellow on the RS18 instead of being black :/

I would love to see both yellow and blue back . But it's certain from this article they want more vibrant livery other than yellow-black combination. 

Edited by Neno, 03 October 2017 - 15:12.

[ArrowsLivery]

The black and yellow of 2010 was really nice. Maybe they can add a bit more white to brighten it up. I think blue would mess it up.

[Anja]

I really hope they stick with yellow and black, this was always their proper color scheme and it brings some welcome variety to the grid. I wouldn't mind adding some white, it worked for 80s Renault liveries very nicely. Plus I'm sick of this "electric = blue" nonsense. How original. 

Edited by Anja, 04 October 2017 - 11:39.

[phrank]

Ferraris are red, Mercedes' are silver, McLarens are papaya, Renaults are yellow, etc...

 

[kumo7]

Budkowski to join Renault! Rival F1 teams worried about their secrets

 

https://www.motorspo...tch-958936/?s=1

 

This is a shrewd move!   

[Neno]

Japan GP 

[Neno]

It was posted on Mclaren or Red Bull thread, but this more suitable topic given we speaking about manufacturer. 

 

https://www.autospor...gic-engine-mode

 

I dont believe much in fairy tales, so I'll believe it when I see it. 

[Afrenchguy]

Hope they will

[rootten]

Why? Sens like reasonable goa,l, not like a fairytale

Edited by rootten, 05 October 2017 - 20:48.

[Neno]

Why? Sens like reasonable goa,l, not like a fairytale

cause all big talk last offseason about engine improvement, both horses and reliability, working with Ilmor? And who took biggest engine improvement step? It was Ferrari . Sometime reasonable goal is a fairy tale. So when I see it I'll believe. "Magic button" or not I am getting feeling engine will still end up underpowered and unreliable in comparasion to competition ahead. And I am getting feeling it could stay that way till last year of current engine rules when other manufacturers will start more and more focusing on planned next engines rules in 2021. 

Edited by Neno, 05 October 2017 - 23:15.

[Neno]

Suzuka updates

 

https://twitter.com/...026408287137792

 

https://twitter.com/...026606573031424

Edited by Neno, 05 October 2017 - 23:40.

[Afrenchguy]

Nothing about Renault but so funny !

https://i11.servimg....89/fd6ddc10.jpg

A good guy that i’d like to see whith Renault in 2019

Edited by Afrenchguy, 06 October 2017 - 12:22.

[Laster]

A worrying trend lately, in post qualifying Hulkenberg again says the balance wasn’t there, particularly for the first sector. They’ll gain a place or two on the grid through others penalties, but they’ll still have a williams two force indias and a mclaren ahead. Need a good start and hopefully the race pace is better than qualifying pace.

[pryanjack]

Just saw a tweet from Renault of an instagram post from Palmer saying "tomorrow's Japanese Grand Prix will be has last race for Renault"

Is that just bad grammar and it's his last Japanese Grand Prix for Renault or is it his last Grand Prix for Renault.

[Laster]

It’s Palmer’s last grand prix with Renault (though likely his last grand prix.) With Renault having cost themselves points finishes in races, I suppose they had to push to do this to try and get that 5th place in the constructors. Hulk v Sainz starts in two weeks time.

[Anja]

With recent form 5th seems pretty much out of the question. 6th should be the aim, it won't be easy but STR lose Sainz so drivers could make the difference here. 

[Neno]

A worrying trend lately, in post qualifying Hulkenberg again says the balance wasn’t there, particularly for the first sector. They’ll gain a place or two on the grid through others penalties, but they’ll still have a williams two force indias and a mclaren ahead. Need a good start and hopefully the race pace is better than qualifying pace.

It's truly worrying thing lately. I wonder how much car balance changed with all changes they made to the car. We spoke previously about how updates (since Silverstone) changed car's characteristic. And problem's didnt start too long after this. In Hungary was ok (slow circuit), but Belgium Hulk had issues, Italy was just track where they can't compete, then in Singapore car was ok (again slow circuit), but Malaysia and now Suzuka. It seems car has those issues on more aerodynamic tracks. 

 

I believe they will sort it out for next year car. And having finally two drivers who can give input into car behavior will help it solve it till end of the year.  

[PistolPete]

What on earth were Renault thinking today... Leaving Pal and Hulk out until they were sure the competition would be ahead. They must have had some reasons, though, as it seems so obviously wrong that they could not have have done this by accident.

[Laster]

Ugggh. They had the pace again, but they had poor reliability again. Since the car improved massively in performance, Hulk has had two points finishes.
Britain - 6th, but a broken exhaust potentially cost him 5th.
Hungary - gearbox change drops him from best of the rest to outside of the top ten on a circuit notorious for being near impossible to overtake, a potential 6th is lost.
Belgium - 6th good pace, and no issues for Hulk, but Palmer finally gets his act together in qualifying only to have a problem forcing him out - a potential double points finish is lost.
Italy - Engine changes galore! But its a power track and Renault didn't look likely to take any points, might have been able to snatch 10th if they had started ahead of Magnussen
Singapore - Heading the midfield, even challenging Bottas for a while despite the oil leak that eventually causes the car to retire. - 4th is lost.
Malaysia - Poor starts by both drivers, cost the team at the start, poor strategy and Hulk being the unable to make the tyres last cost the team any chance of making up ground. Probably should have finished ahead of the Williams, so 8th was lost.
Japan - Hulk made a good start, went long and looked like he could pit and come out ahead of Massa had he not made a mistake and cost himself 4-5 seconds. Even so it looked like he had the pace to overtake the train ahead of him, right until the DRS failure. Another 8th is lost.

Factor in the gearbox failure in Monaco that cost Hulk a 9th, and Hulk's mistake in Baku that cost him 6th. And the potential total of lost points is 41.

29 points have been potentially lost by poor reliability from the car (Monaco, Britain, Hungary, Italy, Singapore, Japan) and a further 12 from errors by Hulk. (Baku, Malaysia)

In this race I think the strategy was the right way to go, it was working they were faster than Massa, had Hulk not have had his off track moment, it would have been tight with him and Massa, even so his pace on the supersofts was such that overtaking would have been fairly easy. As it was he did have his off track excursion, and I think the team were right to keep him out. He wasn't losing time to that train of cars, and the longer he stayed out the more of a tyre advantage he would have when he finally made his switch to the supersofts. The Renault is down on straightline speed, and both Haas cars and Gasly were getting DRS, had they pitted at the same time as everyone else, they would have just been stuck behind Massa with tyres that would not have made it to the end of the Grand Prix, if they had done the same strategy as everyone else, Hulk would again have been stuck behind Massa with no tyre advatantage in that train of cars. On this strategy he had such an advantage with his tyres he likely would have made his way passed both Haas and Massa, but then the DRS failed before we had a chance to find out.

The team needs to sort out reliability, right now they're struggling to keep hold of 7th and mount a challenge for 6th in the constructors, let alone 5th. The pace is still there in the car, but they can't afford to throw away anymore points.

[ArrowsLivery]

I think Renault have been focusing on 2018 for some time now.

[Anja]

I sure hope that's the case, because they are pretty dreadful lately. 

[sopa]

The task for the rest of the season is to beat Toro Rosso in the constructors. And there really is an opportunity, because STR loses their main asset Sainz, who Renault gains.

 

However, the endless technical problems really have hindered progress. On pure pace with two quality drivers Renault should, really should close that 10 point gap down on Toro Rosso. Considering STR themselves haven't been particularly competitive recently either, so not expecting many points for them.

 

It is just the matter of reliability and having some good weekends, finally.

[Laster]

Hulk’s assessment of the weekend “**** happens, we move on.” -
https://mobile.twitt...953898375634944

[Alburaq]

It's truly worrying thing lately. I wonder how much car balance changed with all changes they made to the car. We spoke previously about how updates (since Silverstone) changed car's characteristic. And problem's didnt start too long after this. In Hungary was ok (slow circuit), but Belgium Hulk had issues, Italy was just track where they can't compete, then in Singapore car was ok (again slow circuit), but Malaysia and now Suzuka. It seems car has those issues on more aerodynamic tracks. 

 

I believe they will sort it out for next year car. And having finally two drivers who can give input into car behavior will help it solve it till end of the year.  

 

The word "worryin" is an overstatement but "truly worrying" is whining. 

For the record, Renault only used the new updates (rear bodywork, new sidepod winglets) in free practice... so the current "bad" form (atleast in Q) isnt down to "bad updates"...

Maybe it's the result of a lack of updates (while FI and the others are evolving) addaded to other factors (like bad setup/ tire management which is partly due to the lack of practice in Sep and Suz FP etc.)

Maybe they'll race the updates in Austin because, like it's often the case in f1, you need time to evaluate and validate some updates.. and maybe they'll never use them again...

Edited by Alburaq, 08 October 2017 - 09:43.

[DaddyCool]

Hulk’s assessment of the weekend “**** happens, we move on.” -
https://mobile.twitt...953898375634944

 

That's about how a weekend should be assessed, frankly these endless stupid press conferences are no good to anyone.

[Neno]

I think Renault have been focusing on 2018 for some time now.

I damn hope so cause this is dreadful lately. 

 

edit: i see now they didnt race with new updates

Edited by Neno, 08 October 2017 - 14:11.

[Neno]

https://twitter.com/...331152234414080

 

Me also Sainz. Happy and suprised 

[Paincake]

Things are looking very good for Renault next year. With 2 amazingly fast drivers, and a slightly improved package for Renault, I have a feeling occasional podiums wouldn't be out of the qeustion, or at the very least we'l have constantly getting to Q3 on Saturday.

Hulkenberg is an amazing driver, look at the gap in points he has over Palmer. Then look at Sainz and his huge gap in points over Kvyat. The 2 together will be a force to be reckoned with if they have a capable enough car.  

Edited by Paincake, 11 October 2017 - 14:28.

[Neno]

https://www.autospor...lt-in-formula-e

 

I know this isnt appropriate topic. But has ties with Renault's Formula 1 investment. And rumours do come true I guess. Renault is going all in on their Formula 1 project. So next year will be last year of Renault in FE as their partner Nissan in Nissan-Renault alliance will take over in 2019. 

[Neno]

 

welcome to best f1 team 

Edited by Neno, 13 October 2017 - 19:32.

[FullOppositeLock]

Then why is he wearing Renault gear?

[GrumpyYoungMan]

https://www.autospor...lt-in-formula-e

I know this isnt appropriate topic. But has ties with Renault's Formula 1 investment. And rumours do come true I guess. Renault is going all in on their Formula 1 project. So next year will be last year of Renault in FE as their partner Nissan in Nissan-Renault alliance will take over in 2019.

It’s just a brand switch? No? As Renault is more known for F1?

[jgrwill]

The 2 together will be a force to be reckoned with if they have a capable enough car. 😂

So what you really mean ?

It's the car that makes the driver and not the other way around !!
That statement could be jused on the most drivers on the grid.. 🤔

[Neno]

It’s just a brand switch? No? As Renault is more known for F1?

From what I read. According to this Renault decided to drop from Formula E all together. Which means overall investement, budget, facilities, time etc. so they can put all those resources into Formula 1 project.  But given they have partnership with Nissan there will be no "selling a team" I presume, just from 2019 Nissan will take it over and be the one doing future investement. Which makes sense. Renault can as manufacturer focus solely on F1 and Nissan can as new car manufacturer do Formula E project. 

 

I could be wrong. Correct me if I am wrong. 

Edited by Neno, 14 October 2017 - 12:42.

[Laster]

New aero update for Renault

Surely worth a couple of tenths.

Edited by Laster, 20 October 2017 - 13:59.

[Neno]

sainz's helmet

 

[Laster]

https://www.autospor...-parts-at-us-gp - Each Renault engined team gets one new power unit. Testing out some of their 2018 stuff already is promising, but Abitebol warns its the other parts that still hold reliability issues.

Anyway Hulk gets the new engine and so will be taking a grid penalty this weekend. Expect him to focus solely on race pace rather than qualifying.

Edited by Laster, 20 October 2017 - 16:42.

[Neno]

[Neno]

https://www.motorspo...oals-f1-970246/

 

This is what I talked about it before. Good for Renault. 2020 goal 

[SwedeForceOne]

Renault will be the surprise of the season in 2018. Combined with a big jump for McLaren we might be in for one of the best seasons in a long time.

[ArrowsLivery]

Renault will be the surprise of the season in 2018. Combined with a big jump for McLaren we might be in for one of the best seasons in a long time.

 

McLaren will be exactly where they are now. They are just a mediocre team that talks big but cannot back it up. As for Renault, they will hopefully take another step forward and be competing for the occasional podiums. 

[SwedeForceOne]

McLaren will be exactly where they are now. They are just a mediocre team that talks big but cannot back it up. As for Renault, they will hopefully take another step forward and be competing for the occasional podiums.

[SwedeForceOne]

Yeah. They did everything in their power to get out of a contract with free engines just because they wanted to burn some cash on an engine just as poor as the Honda, hmm.

[RacingGreen]

Renault in F1 and Nissan in FE makes sense to me, it allows the group to focus it's efforts and get more exposure. 

 

Good news for Enstone.

[Myrvold]

Yeah. They did everything in their power to get out of a contract with free engines just because they wanted to burn some cash on an engine just as poor as the Honda, hmm.

They were 5th in 2014 with a dominant Mercedes engine. Far off Williams and just ahead of Force India. I havent seen much that would point to McLaren being much better than this even with something other than Honda PU's

[MrRat]

They were 5th in 2014 with a dominant Mercedes engine. Far off Williams and just ahead of Force India. I havent seen much that would point to McLaren being much better than this even with something other than Honda PU's

This is the most ******** argument I hear so often about McLaren. 

 

McLaren also had the fastest car in 2012, why does no one talk about that?

 

2014 was kinda weird because 1)Not being allowed to develop their own fuel with Mobil for obvious reasons(incoming Honda, their impending divorce). 2)Not given proper engine dimensions till very late resulting in that huge backend and missing first day of test(head over to f1tech and dig the car/team threads. 3)Obviously below par aero performance.  4)To be really honest, a mediocre driver in Kmag and JB is not ALO/HAM either. 

 

McLaren has since revamped their entire technical division, has a top aero guy as chief engineer who is clearly doing a good job with the car. 
 
Ferrari were 4-5th fastest car in 2014, they have a decent enough car now.

Just 5 years back Mercedes was a solid midfield team, now they have had the best cars in history of sport for 3 years.

 

 

Past performance is not a good indicator of future performance in F1. It never has been a good indicator and that's not going to change in future.

 

[pryanjack]

Embarrassing Honda levels of reliability ...

[Anja]

What a disaster of a race. 

[Neno]

Amazing what can happen when you breed incompetence.