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[Ferrari2012]

Hasegawa interview where he praises Honda for the competiviness of the engine in Mexico is hilarious ...20 and 35 grid Penalties...Mclaren was without DRS slower than Sauber in sector one...where the PU is clearly needed ...and he is continuing to praise themselft for it? The brutal wake up will be next year with a far more advanced chassis like Toro Rosso.Down in Power,reliability,comsuption...honda great job  and goodbye

[stevesingo]

Hasegawa interview where he praises Honda for the competiviness of the engine in Mexico is hilarious ...20 and 35 grid Penalties...Mclaren was without DRS slower than Sauber in sector one...where the PU is clearly needed ...and he is continuing to praise themselft for it? The brutal wake up will be next year with a far more advanced chassis like Toro Rosso.Down in Power,reliability,comsuption...honda great job  and goodbye

 

Are you really suggesting TR chassis is better or even will be better than McLaren next year?

 

There is lots of evidence for me to say that a it stands, TR is no where near McL in terms of chassis performance.

 

As for next year, there is enough evidence to suggest that it is unlikely that TR will be better than McL.  Possible, but unlikely IMO.

 

Or are you just trolling? 

[MrRat]

Are you really suggesting TR chassis is better or even will be better than McLaren next year?

 

There is lots of evidence for me to say that a it stands, TR is no where near McL in terms of chassis performance.

 

As for next year, there is enough evidence to suggest that it is unlikely that TR will be better than McL.  Possible, but unlikely IMO.

 

Or are you just trolling? 

 

I think the answer to tht question is yes.

[JimmyTheFox]

Does that mean that Honda lacks a QUALY mode to Renault's outright single-lap power? 

 

The FIA banned Honda PU's qualifying map (25hp) after Malaysia, they couldn't use it in Suzuka because of regulation clampdown according to Honda Motorsport boss Yamamoto on F1Life site.   

[MrRat]

The FIA banned Honda PU's qualifying map (25hp) after Malaysia, they couldn't use it in Suzuka because of regulation clampdown according to Honda Motorsport boss Yamamoto on F1Life site. 

Got more info on this? This is the first time I am hearing about this.

Maybe  post the article here? 

Edited by MrRat, 31 October 2017 - 02:30.

[rabbitleader]

Watching Alonso and Hamilton battle was the best part of the race in my opinion

It may have cost McLaren a few points as Magnusson was struggling to keep Alonso behind. But with only 3 laps to go, time was running out. If he let Hamilton pass and focused on Magnusson?????

[Pro4TLZZ]

It may have cost McLaren a few points as Magnusson was struggling to keep Alonso behind. But with only 3 laps to go, time was running out. If he let Hamilton pass and focused on Magnusson?????

What does points matter now?? If they wanted to challenge for points then they should have left honda go last season, let the man have some fun

[rabbitleader]

What does points matter now?? If they wanted to challenge for points then they should have left honda go last season, let the man have some fun

More points, more FIA income?

Edited by rabbitleader, 31 October 2017 - 07:51.

[Quickshifter]

FIA income is based on constructors position.  

[loki0420]

More points, more FIA income?

Like they could score the same number of points in the last 2 races as in a whole campaign to overtake Haas. Thats impossible with Honda.

[Mc_Silver]

 

 

to have the battle with Fernando, I was like 'this is one tough ****'. Back and forth, back and forth, I'm like… Formula 1, just wait 'til this guy gets a good engine, because the car was great through other sections, and I really hope for McLaren, who I've already told you has a special place in my heart, I really hope next year is a better year for them. I hope they have a stronger engine a stronger car, and Fernando's a tough bugger – a tough cookie, I prefer that word – and I enjoyed the little battle I had with him and I hope we get to have many more like that.

 

Nice wishes from our ex-McLaren man Lewis Hamilton. 

 

https://www.gpupdate...-2017-f1-title/

[vassilispapadop]

The FIA banned Honda PU's qualifying map (25hp) after Malaysia, they couldn't use it in Suzuka because of regulation clampdown according to Honda Motorsport boss Yamamoto on F1Life site. 

Could you please explain where did you get this info from? Thanx!

[Lennat]

Nice wishes from our ex-McLaren man Lewis Hamilton. 

 

https://www.gpupdate...-2017-f1-title/

 

Nice!

 

That battle really made me smile. Oh how I have missed Hamilton versus Alonso battles. The two truly great drivers of their generation!

[CPR]

http://www.grandprix...ns/ns37679.html
 

"I'm already looking forward to testing the Renault engine," Alonso said.

"It's been very frustrating and it has required a lot of patience. But I think we're going to be very competitive next year.

"We saw in Mexico that Verstappen was able to do a great race with the Renault engine," he added.

Asked if he has hopes McLaren can match what Red Bull has been able to do with Renault power, Alonso answered: "It's hard to know because we have no comparison, but the feeling is good.

"From the outside the engine looks very good. In the last few races we have introduced aerodynamic parts and they have worked well, so we have every ingredient to be competitive next year."

Asked if it will be enough, Alonso added: "I hope we can compete with Hamilton for the title next year."

Edited by CPR, 31 October 2017 - 09:26.

[KnucklesAgain]

It may have cost McLaren a few points as Magnusson was struggling to keep Alonso behind. But with only 3 laps to go, time was running out. If he let Hamilton pass and focused on Magnusson?????

 

Same end result at best and one place worse if he couldn't get past MAG after all

[Joseki]

Alonso is pumping the team for 2018 already, I'm sure that he's motivating a lot of old friends at Viry and Woking. Moral in the team now is surely high, let's hope for a good pre season testing a good development during the season.

[JimmyTheFox]

Could you please explain where did you get this info from? Thanx!

 

From the F1 Life website
 

http://members.f1-life.net/race/59657/

 

Google translate:

 

 

Honda was unable to use qualifying mode at the Japan GP. Suzuka Special also seems to have prepared preparatory qualifying mode, but it has been forced to abandon its use by strengthening regulations from FIA, and in Suzuka where the power effect reaches as large as 0.2 sec / 10 kW, this disadvantage never hurts It was not small.

 

 

http://members.f1-life.net/race/59662/

Edited by JimmyTheFox, 31 October 2017 - 10:50.

[Joseki]

So long as we don't have any penalties in the first half of the season and we get some wins and podiums I won't mind at all...

Not expecting a championship run

 

Ideally next year McLaren Renault will spend the season catching up with Red Bull's chassis and Mercedes' PU to start the 2019 with a championship worthy car, but as we saw in recent times reality can be pretty harsh. 

[CPR]

Nice wishes from our ex-McLaren man Lewis Hamilton. 

 

https://www.gpupdate...-2017-f1-title/

 

Be careful what you wish for Lewis

[Joseki]

More points, more FIA income?

 

McLaren will recive the 2017 money at the end of 2018 if I remember correctly, and it's based on position in the WCC. The amount of points a team score result in a higher entry fee to pay to the FIA at the start of the following season, infact Mercedes payed a record fee this year because of their record 2016 results.

[CPR]

Ideally next year McLaren Renault will spend the season catching up with Red Bull's chassis and Mercedes' PU to start the 2019 with a championship worthy car, but as we saw in recent times reality can be pretty harsh. 

 

Yeah, reality has been harsh lately. There's no guarantee of anything at all. Things are looking promising but there's many ways in which things can go wrong.

[balmybaldwin]

So it sounds like Honda decided to develop oil burning quali mode and only had it ready after oil burning had been clamped down on  - Genius!

[vassilispapadop]

So it sounds like Honda decided to develop oil burning quali mode and only had it ready after oil burning had been clamped down on  - Genius!

Genius is Mercedes who pushed for realization of current  "Green" PU regulations and killed the field with their super green-eco-friendly-oil-burning quali mode

[KnucklesAgain]

So it sounds like Honda decided to develop oil burning quali mode and only had it ready after oil burning had been clamped down on  - Genius!

 

I can imagine the outrage if they had decided not develop it and the information became public. In addition, NOT* so different from Renault.

 

* Edited, sorry

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 31 October 2017 - 14:14.

[realracer200]

What do you mean?

[AustinF1]

It may have cost McLaren a few points as Magnusson was struggling to keep Alonso behind. But with only 3 laps to go, time was running out. If he let Hamilton pass and focused on Magnusson?????

Probably would have ended P10 either way. He was having his own troubles getting around Magnussen because of lackl of power on the straights. He lost points when Lewis got past too, you know.

[AustinF1]

Genius is Mercedes who pushed for realization of current  "Green" PU regulations and killed the field with their super green-eco-friendly-oil-burning quali mode

Indeed!

[Rinehart]

From the F1 Life website
 

http://members.f1-life.net/race/59657/

 

Google translate:

 

 

http://members.f1-life.net/race/59662/

If the FIA had issues a technical directive, that would have been published, so I'm pretty sure that didn't happen. 

[Waggy]

If next year Mclaren can compete for podiums and the odd win, Alonso can perform miracles as seen in the past.....

Edited by Waggy, 31 October 2017 - 15:53.

[Quickshifter]

[yokomodriver]

It may have cost McLaren a few points as Magnusson was struggling to keep Alonso behind. But with only 3 laps to go, time was running out. If he let Hamilton pass and focused on Magnusson?????

Passing a car that was expected to be the slowest of the weekend would not have provided as much publicity as keeping the championship winning car and driver at bay for several laps

[Owen]

Papaya McLaren pix here;
https://www.motorspo...ault-f1-973551/

With apologies for endless livery opinions that may follow...

Edited by Owen, 31 October 2017 - 22:00.

[MrRat]

Papaya McLaren pix here;
https://www.motorspo...ault-f1-973551/

With apologies for endless livery opinions that may follow...

Why would you even post that here? lOl. Inb4 5-7 page of livery discussion   

Obligatory : I don't like it. The V2 2015 and 2016 livery is something I like, simple and good looking.

Edited by MrRat, 31 October 2017 - 22:31.

[MastaKink]

Papaya McLaren pix here;
https://www.motorspo...ault-f1-973551/

With apologies for endless livery opinions that may follow...

 

I really like it and nice touch keeping a similar style of font for the drivers name as was used in Indy.

 

I'd be happy with that. 

[Otaku]

Will 2018 cars still have the ugly T-wing and shark fins, all that + halo? End of F1...

[Skalvand]

Will 2018 cars still have the ugly T-wing and shark fins, all that + halo? End of F1...

 

If I remember correctly, the T-wings will be gone, shark fin not though. 

[Muzzyf1]

I don't care if its pink just care about it being fast enough to win !

[PeterScandlyn]

Any colour they like so long as it hasn't that used 'H' on the front of it.

[kumo7]

Any colour they like so long as it hasn't that used 'H' on the front of it.

 

That is just for now... in five years... 

 

 

 

Never the less, I am still curious that Step 4.0 would do in Brazil. FP1 at Mexico was not too bad I thought. That is just FP1 tho.

Never mind Honda's peak comes always at the end of the season, and the beginning,.... OMG.... 

[loki0420]

That is just for now... in five years... 

 

 

 

Never the less, I am still curious that Step 4.0 would do in Brazil. FP1 at Mexico was not too bad I thought. That is just FP1 tho.

Never mind Honda's peak comes always at the end of the season, and the beginning,.... OMG.... 

There'll be no Spec 4. Forget about it.

[vassilispapadop]

not sure if already posted here.

 

About engine 2021 regulations. 

No MGUH, the component Mercedes team mastered the most?

 

 

 

• 1.6 Litre, V6 Turbo Hybrid
• 3000rpm higher engine running speed range to improve the sound
• Prescriptive internal design parameters to restrict development costs and discourage extreme designs and running conditions
• Removal of the MGUH
• More powerful MGUK with focus on manual driver deployment in race together with option to save up energy over several laps to give a driver controlled tactical element to racing
• Single turbo with dimensional constraints and weight limits
• Standard energy store and control electronics
• High Level of external prescriptive design to give ‘Plug-And-Play’ engine/chassis/transmission swap capability
• Intention to investigate tighter fuel regulations and limits on number of fuels used

 

source : https://www.jamesall...s-on-the-cards/

 

*Sorry if out of topic

Edited by vassilispapadop, 01 November 2017 - 09:58.

[Rinehart]

Any simplification/standardisation is good for Honda. 

 

But its also good for McLaren. Any move that makes PU's less of a performance differentiator so the challenge becomes more of a driver&chassis contest, the better, I'd expect. 

[RPM40]

The car is looking very strong of late. Honestly, it wouldn't shock me to see it in the very front group with a comparable engine.

 

It has more a "Red Bull" philosophy with the higher rake that I think is quite a trick in these regs, Peter Podromou no doubt bought that with him.

 

How is McLaren's budget relative to the top teams? I was under the impression they didn't have the resources of a Red Bull or Ferrari. It will be tough to compete without that and without a works deal.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Papaya McLaren pix here;
https://www.motorspo...ault-f1-973551/

With apologies for endless livery opinions that may follow...

Good livery is a crucial part of competitiveness. Based on my highly complicated calculations, good livery can improve reliability and downforce and also increase horsepower.

 

Even there are some claims that amazing liveries can turn customer team to works team.

[vassilispapadop]

The car is looking very strong of late. Honestly, it wouldn't shock me to see it in the very front group with a comparable engine.

 

It has more a "Red Bull" philosophy with the higher rake that I think is quite a trick in these regs, Peter Podromou no doubt bought that with him.

 

How is McLaren's budget relative to the top teams? I was under the impression they didn't have the resources of a Red Bull or Ferrari. It will be tough to compete without that and without a works deal.

Amus compared rake angles of all cars on the grid a while ago.

 

McLaren chassis has ~20% more rake compared to RB and way more than Mercedes and Ferrari. Highest among teams

 

The source also claimed the McLaren is "draggier" compare to "big" teams.

 

*can't find the source now, sorry

Edited by vassilispapadop, 01 November 2017 - 10:41.

[pizzalover]

Papaya McLaren pix here;
https://www.motorspo...ault-f1-973551/

With apologies for endless livery opinions that may follow...

 

Ditching Chandon for Veuve Clicquot would make a lot of sense.

[CPR]

not sure if already posted here.

 

About engine 2021 regulations. 

No MGUH, the component Mercedes team mastered the most?

 

 

source : https://www.jamesall...s-on-the-cards/

 

*Sorry if out of topic

 

There's a dedicated thread for it so yes the general discussion is off-topic.

 

What I think we can talk about here is how this might affect the prospects of McLaren designing their own engine: I think the biggest problem (currently) with the new regs that is that the full details won't be released for another year. From the sounds of things there will still be fuel flow limitations so the importance of highly advanced combustion technologies will continue, though they'll probably be a lot harder with the higher revving engines. It's hard to say how much knowledge and learning will be able to be carried through with the new regs.

 

Apart from that, yes, it does make the design simpler but I don't know if it'll be simple enough (and cheap enough) so that McLaren to design their own engine. Maybe there's various things that they can do like form a temporary partnership with Renault or something on the engine design.

[Talisman]

I don’t see how the new regulations make it possible for McLaren to design their own unit. It would be difficult enough on their own in such a short timeframe and the other mooted possibility which is to link up with Aston and Red Bull is extremely risky with the other two parties notably less committed to remaining in the sport compared to Woking. They wouldn’t want to go into partnership with the risk that a few years down the line they’d be alone, especially since they’ve just added significantly to their risk load by losing Honda funding. Even if that were possible thrashing out a partnership would take up valuable time that should be spent establishing a development team and designing the PU. As Renault’s recent complaints have shown there is a shortage of engineers who really have experience developing competitive units in this field available for recruitment and McLaren would be starting from nearly scratch.

[Owen]

My understanding of the whole 'let's do our engine' thing is that the route taken would be; get independent engineering company to create the core power unit (e.g. cosworth). Then re-badge as McLaren (or Aston Martin in the case of Red Bull) and add the McLaren gearbox and anciliaries etc. Could be wrong, but that was I how I saw it, if it ever did actually come to pass.

[Talisman]

Wasn’t Cosworth’s pool of engineers with relevant experience drained by Mercedes a long time ago?