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#1 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 05:56

As usual, the 1st of November marks the beginning of a new silly season trophy. This is a rather slow game: we will have to wait for results for roughly 17 months, and the winner of the last year's edition is still to be determined. In fact, this game is so slow that the deadline for posting guesses ended a few days before Rosberg's retirement – something that was a surprise for most, but not all, participants. With the 2017 championship decided early, players will hope Hamilton announces any unexpected decisions in a timely manner.

 

While the 2018 puzzle is filling in nicely, the 2019 grid is still shrouded in fog. Several top seats are still available, and many capable drivers are without a contract. Multiple hot prospects are already knocking on Formula 1's door, and a few more might join them next year. Can you predict the grid of 2019? Let's find out!

 

Previous winners:
2003: Brian O Flaherty
2004: Flying Panda
2005: lukywill, Viceroy, Makarias

2017: ANF

Participation:
To participate, post a reply in this topic with the drivers you think will be on the grid in the first Formula One Grand Prix of 2019. Be sure to follow the rules and please make sure there is no confusion as to which driver you mean.

Rules and point scoring:
The game will continue with the same scoring system as last year: unpopular picks are rewarded more if they turn out to be true. Early indications are that this is a good method for breaking ties.

  • 2 drivers per team.
  • 5 points for correctly guessing driver/team. You can earn up to 2 bonus points for each successful pick depending on how many people guessed that particular driver/team combination. This is calculated as 2*(1–(a/b)), where a is the amount of guesses with that driver/team combination among other participants and b is the amount of your opponents (i.e. total guesses minus one).
  • 2 points for correctly guessing driver (wrong team). You can earn up to 1 bonus point for each successful pick depending on how many people guessed that driver would participate. This is calculated as 1–(a/b), where a is the amount of guesses with that driver/team combination among other participants and b is the amount of your opponents (i.e. total guesses minus one).
  • On top of the regular bonus points, you get double points if the driver you guessed was mentioned by nobody else.
  • 0 points if driver doesn't compete. An exception is if the driver was supposed to participate but did not due to an injury or temporary ban (e.g. in 2017 you would get 5 points for guessing either Ericsson, Giovinazzi or Wehrlein in the Sauber and 2 points for guessing them in any other team, but no points for guessing van der Garde in any team in 2015)
  • If you list less than 13 teams and there are less than 13 teams on the grid in 2019, you score points for the teams you left out (5 points per team).
  • You can list an unknown driver (no given name) in a team. You will then score 5 points if a driver that was not mentioned by any other entry drives in the team you put him/her in. You will score no points if an unknown driver drives in a different team.
  • In the event of a tie, the player putting the most drivers in the correct teams is given preferenceIf there is still a tie, the player who submitted his guess first is given preference (in case a post is edited, I will look at the time it was last edited, not the original submission time).
  • In case of an event unspecified by rules, SpaceHorseParty makes the final decision.

Deadline:
December 1, 2017, 00:00 (UTC)


Edited by SpaceHorseParty, 01 November 2017 - 05:56.


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#2 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 06:51

My guess:

Mercedes		Lewis Hamilton		Esteban Ocon
Ferrari			Sebastian Vettel	Charles Leclerc
Red Bull		Daniel Ricciardo	Max Verstappen
McLaren			Fernando Alonso		Stoffel Vandoorne
Renault			Nico Hulkenberg		Carlos Sainz
Force India		Sergio Perez		George Russell
Williams		Lance Stroll		Valtteri Bottas
Toro Rosso		Pierre Gasly		Brendon Hartley
Sauber			Lando Norris		Felix Rosenqvist
Haas			Kevin Magnussen		Antonio Giovinazzi	


#3 Marklar

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 10:11

Mercedes       Lewis Hamilton        Daniel Ricciardo
Ferrari        Sebastian Vettel      Sergio Perez
Red Bull       Max Verstappen        Carlos Sainz
McLaren        Fernando Alonso       Stoffel Vandoorne
Renault        Nico Hulkenberg       Romain Grosjean
Force India    Esteban Ocon          Lando Norris
Williams       Lance Stroll          Valtteri Bottas
Toro Rosso     Pierre Gasly          Brandon Hartley
Sauber         Marcus Ericsson       Antonio Giovinazzi
Haas           Kevin Magnussen       Charles Leclerc


#4 markelov74

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 11:27

Mercedes                Lewis Hamilton          Esteban Ocon
Ferrari                 Sebastian Vettel        Charles Leclerc
Red Bull                Daniel Ricciardo        Max Verstappen
McLaren                 Fernando Alonso         Stoffel Vandoorne
Renault                 Nico Hulkenberg         Carlos Sainz
Force India             Sergio Perez            George Russell
Williams                Lance Stroll            Valtteri Bottas
Toro Rosso              Pierre Gasly            Brendon Hartley
Sauber                  Marcus Ericsson         Robert Kubica 
Haas                    Kevin Magnussen         Romain Grosjean 


Edited by markelov74, 27 November 2017 - 16:49.


#5 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 19:17

Mercedes		Lewis Hamilton		Valtteri Bottas
Red Bull		Max Verstappen		Carlos Sainz
Ferrari			Sebastian Vettel	Daniel Ricciardo
McLaren			Fernando Alonso		Stoffel Vandoorne
Renault			Nico Hulkenberg		Sergio Perez
Force India		Esteban Ocon		George Russell
Williams		Daniil Kvyat		Lance Stroll
Haas			Romain Grosjean		Kevin Magnussen
Toro Rosso		Pierre Gasly		Nobuharu Matsushita
Sauber			Charles Leclerc		Antonio Giovinazzi

Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 30 November 2017 - 20:42.


#6 noikeee

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 21:22

Here's a preliminary entry, I'll edit this by the deadline if I remember.
 
edit - 28th of November
 
Mercedes      Lewis Hamilton      Valtteri Bottas
Ferrari       Sebastian Vettel    Charles Leclerc
Red Bull      Max Verstappen      Daniel Ricciardo
McLaren       Fernando Alonso     Lando Norris
Renault       Nico Hulkenberg     Carlos Sainz
Force India   Esteban Ocon        Sergio Perez
Williams      Romain Grosjean     Lance Stroll
Toro Rosso    Pierre Gasly        Nyck de Vries
Sauber        Antonio Giovinazzi  Marcus Ericsson
Haas          Kevin Magnussen     Stoffel Vandoorne

Edited by noikeee, 28 November 2017 - 09:57.


#7 sladealonso

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:25

Red Bull Max Verstappen + Carlos Sainz

Mercedes Lewis Hamilton + Daniel Ricciardo

Ferrari Sebastian Vettel + Kimi Raikkonen

McLaren Fernando Alonso + Stoffel Vandoorne

Renault Nico Hulkenberg + Valtteri Bottas

Force India Sergio Perez + Esteban Ocon

Williams Lance Stroll + Robert Kubica

Sauber Lando Norris + Marcus Ericsson

Haas Charles Leclerc + Kevin Magnussen

Toro Rosso Pierre Gasly + Brendan Hartley


Edited by sladealonso, 03 November 2017 - 11:45.


#8 RaikkonenFan96

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 20:50

Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton + Valtteri Bottas

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel + Kimi Raikkonen

Red Bull: Max Verstappen + Daniel Ricciardo

Force India: Sergio Perez + Esteban Ocon

Williams: Robert Kubica + Lance Stroll

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly + Brendon Hartley

Mclaren: Fernando Alonso + Stoffel Vandoorne

Haas: Kevin Magnussen + Romain Grosjean

Renault: Carlos Sainz + Nico Hulkenberg

Sauber: Charles Leclerc + Marcus Ericsson


Edited by RaikkonenFan96, 30 November 2017 - 11:07.


#9 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 00:40

Red Bull 

1. Max Verstappen 

55. Carlos Sainz

 

Mercedes-Benz

3. Daniel Ricciardo

31. Esteban Ocon

 

Ferrari

5. Sebastian Vettel

TBA. Charles Leclerc

 

McLaren

14. Fernando Alonso

TBA. Lando Norris

 

Renault

27. Nico Hulkenberg

2. Stoffel Vandoorne

 

Williams

18. Lance Stroll

77. Valtteri Bottas 

 

Force One

11. Sergio Perez

TBA. George Russell

 

Haas

8. Romain Grosjean

TBA. Antonio Giovanazzi

 

Toro Rosso

28. Brendon Hartley

10. Pierre Gasly

 

Sauber

TBA. Joel Eriksson

TBA. Marcus Armstrong


Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 15 November 2017 - 00:53.


#10 turk157

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 18:33

Mercedes Lewis Hamilton Esteban Ocon
Ferrari Sebastian Vettel Kimi Raikkonen
Red Bull Daniel Ricciardo Max Verstappen
McLaren Fernando Alonso Stoffel Vandoorne
Renault Nico Hulkenberg Carlos Sainz
Force India Sergio Perez George Russell
Williams Lance Stroll Valtteri Bottas
Toro Rosso Pierre Gasly Nirei Fukuzumi
Sauber Antonio Giovinazzi Romain Grosjean
Haas Kevin Magnussen Charles Leclerc


Edited by turk157, 30 November 2017 - 16:27.


#11 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 20:14

The 2017 season (and with it, most forum games) might be over, but there is still some time to post your guesses for this one!



#12 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 00:55

Mercedes        Lewis Hamilton      Esteban Ocon
Ferrari         Sebastian Vettel    Kimi Raikkonen
Red Bull        Daniel Ricciardo    Max Verstappen
McLaren         Fernando Alonso     Stoffel Vandoorne
Renault         Nico Hulkenberg     Carlos Sainz
Force India     Sergio Perez        George Russell
Williams        Lance Stroll        Valtteri Bottas
Toro Rosso      Pierre Gasly        Nirei Fukuzumi
Sauber          Antonio Giovinazzi  Romain Grosjean
Haas            Kevin Magnussen     Charles Leclerc

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#13 Makarias

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 13:04

Mercedes     Hamilton    Ocon
Ferrari      Vettel      Ricciardo
Red Bull     Verstappen  Sainz
Force India  Perez       Ocon
Williams     Bottas      George Russell
Renault      Hülkenberg  Lando Norris
Toro Rosso   Gasly       Nobuharu Matsushita
Haas         Grosjean    Charles Leclerc
McLaren      Alonso      Vandoorne
Sauber       Giovanazzi  Joel Eriksson


#14 Costaz

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 14:27

Question: there is provision for unknown drivers, but how about unknown teams? Would the following be acceptable, and how will it be scored?

 

Unknown team: Unknown driver Sainz

 

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#15 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 17:02

Question: there is provision for unknown drivers, but how about unknown teams? Would the following be acceptable, and how will it be scored?

 

Unknown team: Unknown driver Sainz

 

:cool:

Without taking into account bonus points, picking Sainz would give you 5 points if he drove for a completely new team (i.e. one that does not take over an existing entry – such as Toyota in 2002 or Haas in 2016) or 2 points if he drove for any other team. You would score 5 additional points if a completely new team would field a driver that was not named by anyone. Assuming your guess would involve the existing 10 teams + 1 unknown team, you would score 10 points if there were 11 or less teams on the grid. So far, all the players have guessed there will be 10 teams, so they will get 15 points if that turns out to be true, but 10 points if there are 11 teams.

 

Also, another thing I perhaps should have written more explicitly – you don't need to guess the name of the team. As long as a team continues an existing entry, I will give the points accordingly. For example, if this game was held in 2008 and you would have guessed M Schumacher and Rosberg driving for Honda in 2010, you would have scored full points. The BMW Sauber situation was a bit more confusing back then, but I suppose I would have given full points for putting de la Rosa and Kobayashi at BMW Sauber, but only 2 points each for putting them at Toyota. Hopefully, no such situations will arise in the future.


Edited by SpaceHorseParty, 28 November 2017 - 17:02.


#16 scheivlak

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 22:17

Mercedes          Lewis Hamilton                Valtteri Bottas

Ferrari                 Sebastian Vettel                  Charles Leclerc

Red Bull              Max Verstappen                  Carlos Sainz

McLaren              Daniel Ricciardo                 Lando Norris

Renault                Fernando Alonso               Nico Hülkenberg           

Force India          Esteban Ocon                    Pascal Wehrlein

Williams               Sergio Perez                      Lance Stroll           

Toro Rosso          Pierre Gasly                       Nirei Fukuzumi

Sauber                 Antonio Giovinazzi            Felix Rosenqvist

Haas                    Stoffel Vandoorne             Simon Pagenaud


Edited by scheivlak, 29 November 2017 - 22:17.


#17 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 05:33

Today is the last day to post or edit your guesses!



#18 TurnOffTheLights

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:12

Mercedes Hamilton Bottas
Ferrari Vettel Räikkönen
Red Bull Verstappen Ricciardo
Force India Ocon Vandoorne
Williams Stroll Perez
Renault Hülkenberg Sainz
Toro Rosso Gasly unknown
Haas Grosjean Magnussen
McLaren Alonso Norris
Sauber Leclerc Giovinazzi

#19 Kev00

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 13:31

Mercedes: Hamilton - Bottas
Ferrari: Vettel - Raikkonen
Red Bull: Ricciardo - Verstappen
McLaren: Alonso - Vandoorne
Renault: Hulkenberg - Sainz
Force India: Perez - Ocon
Williams: Kubica - Stroll
Toro Rosso: Gasly - Fukuzumi
Haas: Grosjean - Magnussen
Sauber: Leclerc - Ericsson

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#20 Costaz

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 17:01

Mercedes Hamilton Ricciardo
Ferrari Vettel Leclerc
Red Bull Verstappen Sainz
McLaren Vandoorne Norris
Renault Hulkenberg Grosjean
Force India Perez Bottas
Williams Ocon Unknown
Torro Rosso Gaslu Unknown
Sauber Giovinazzo Unknown
Haas Magnussen unknown

Edited by Costaz, 30 November 2017 - 20:35.


#21 f1paul

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 19:09

Mercedes Hamilton Ocon

Ferrari Vettel Perez

Red Bull Verstappen Sainz

McLaren Alonso Ricciardo

Renault Hulkenberg Vandoorne

Force India Bottas Kubica

Williams Stroll Norris

Toro Rosso Fukuzumi Gasly

Sauber Ericsson Giovinazzi

Haas Leclerc Magnussen


Edited by f1paul, 30 November 2017 - 20:44.


#22 M2000-5

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 20:19

Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas, Esteban Ocon

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel, Kimi Raikkonen

Red Bull: Max Verstappen, Daniel Ricciardo

Force India: Sergio Perez, Pascal Wehrlein

Williams: Robert Kubica, Lance Stroll

Renault: Carlos Sainz, Nico Hulkenberg

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly, Niko Kari

Haas: Antonio Giovinazzi, Romain Grosjean

Mclaren: Fernando Alonso, Stoffel Vandoorne

Sauber: Charles Leclerc, unkown driver

Edited by M2000-5, 30 November 2017 - 20:20.


#23 Grayson

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 21:19

Mercedes - Hamilton, Bottas

Ferrari - Vettel, Ricciardo

Red Bull - Verstappen, Sainz

McLaren - Alonso, Lando Norris

Renault - Hulkenberg, Kubica

Force India - Ocon, George Russell

Williams - Stroll, unknown driver

Haas - Grosjean, Perez

Sauber - Giovinazzi, unknown driver

Toro Rosso - Hartley, Gasly



#24 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 05:38

Thank you all for posting your guesses! The deadline has now passed, so please do not edit them further.

 

I will prepare some stats within the next few days.



#25 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 19:37

It took me some time to build the scoring spreadsheet, but hopefully what I have created now will be easier to reuse in the following years.
 
Last year after the deadline had passed, Rosberg came forth with his bombshell announcement that would have drastically altered all guesses had it come into light a few days earlier. The only December announcement so far this year was the confirmation of Leclerc and Ericsson at Sauber for 2018 – but the 2019 silly season fun is only beginning and surely there will be some unexpected movements.

So, let's look at some statistics:

Drivers

18: Bottas, Gasly, Hülkenberg, Ocon*, Pérez, Ricciardo, Sainz, Verstappen, Vettel
17: Alonso, Leclerc, Vandoorne
16: Hamilton, Stroll
14: Giovinazzi, Grosjean
13: Magnussen
11: Norris
8: Russell
7: Ericsson, Hartley, Kubica, Räikkönen
5: Fukuzumi
2: Eriksson, Matsushita, Rosenqvist, Wehrlein
1: Armstrong, de Vries, Kari, Kvyat, Pagenaud

Last year, there were 11 drivers who were universally expected to continue in 2018. With the increased number of participants, as well as the decreased amount of available seats (this time last year most participants expected Manor to make the grid in 2018), that number is now nine.
 
You might notice the asterisk next to Ocon's name. During the process of compiling entries I noticed Makarias put Ocon twice: in Mercedes and in Force India. This is not explicitly forbidden by rules, so Makarias will be able to score the full 5 points (plus bonus points) for placing him in either Mercedes or Force India, but he will only score once for Ocon (i.e. he will not get the extra 2 points for the wrong seat, nor will he get the 2 points twice if he drives for a different team). Next year, I will add a rule stating one driver can only be put in one seat. I apologize to Makarias for not noticing the mistake before the deadline and therefore failing to notify him.
 
Alonso, Leclerc, and Vandoorne were only left out by one player each. Hamilton and Stroll were left out by two players: it seems that with the recent precedent of a driver retiring at the top of his game, as well as some of Hamilton's recent comments, these players decided it was worth a punt. Antonio Giovinazzi is the most popular driver who will not be on the 2018 grid, with 14 of 18 players picking him. Lando Norris and George Russell are the most popular potential rookies, with 11 and 8 picks, respectively.
 
The least likely 2018 drivers to line up the 2019 grid (at least according to the players of this game) are Ericsson, Hartley, and Räikkönen, with 7 picks each. It is probably fitting that these three drivers are not expected to switch teams for 2019: all guesses place them either in their current teams, or out of Formula One. It is unclear what will happen with the Williams seat for the next year, but if the seat is given to Kubica, he will join these three drivers, as he also has been picked by 7 players (though not all place him at Williams). Some of the other rumored options (such as Paul di Resta and Sergey Sirotkin) have not been picked at all.
 
Pascal Wehrlein and Daniil Kvyat, both of whom are, it seems, without a drive next year, are tipped to return by some players. No such expectations for Jolyon Palmer.
 
Five unique picks this year: Marcus Armstrong (by Brawn BGP 001), Niko Kari (by M2000-5), Daniil Kvyat (by DutchQuicksilver), Simon Pagenaud (by scheivlak), and Nyck de Vries (by noikeee). Last year, all of the unique picks were placed in Manor. This year there has been more variety, with Armstrong being put at Sauber, Kari and de Vries at Toro Rosso, Kvyat at Williams and Pagenaud at Haas. Should any of them appear on the 2019 grid, even in other teams, they will bring a lot of valuable points – they would bring 6 points for driving in a different team, which is more than a popular driver/team combo, like Pérez at Force India, would bring.
 
A total of eight unknown picks were made. Three players decided to use such a pick on Sauber, two players did that with Williams, two more with Toro Rosso, and one player (Costaz) used it on Haas. Costaz was the most active user of this option, as he used four such picks, one for each of the teams mentioned.
 
 
Teams

Mercedes: Hamilton (16), Bottas, Ocon (8), Ricciardo (4)
Ferrari: Vettel (18), Räikkönen (7), Leclerc (6), Ricciardo (3), Pérez (2)
Red Bull: Verstappen (18), Ricciardo, Sainz (9)
Force India: Pérez (12), Ocon (10), Russell (7), Bottas (2), Wehrlein (2), Kubica, Norris, Vandoorne (1)
Williams: Stroll (16), Bottas (7), Kubica (4), Pérez, unknown driver (2), Grosjean, Kvyat, Norris, Ocon, Russell (1)
Renault: Hülkenberg (18), Sainz (9), Grosjean, Vandoorne (2), Alonso, Bottas, Kubica, Norris, Pérez (1)
Toro Rosso: Gasly (18), Hartley (7), Fukuzumi (5), Matsushita, unknown driver (2), Kari, de Vries (1)
Haas: Magnussen (13), Grosjean (9), Leclerc (6), Giovinazzi (3), Vandoorne (2), Pagenaud, Pérez, unknown driver (1)
McLaren: Alonso (16), Vandoorne (12), Norris (6), Ricciardo (2)
Sauber: Giovinazzi (11), Ericsson (7), Leclerc (5), unknown driver (3), Eriksson, Grosjean, Norris, Rosenqvist (2), Armstrong, Kubica (1)

There are four things the players universally agreed on: Pierre Gasly will stay at Toro Rosso, Nico Hülkenberg will stay at Renault, Max Verstappen will stay at Red Bull, and Sebastian Vettel will stay at Ferrari. All of the players who expect Lewis Hamilton to continue racing in 2019, expect him to stay at Mercedes – the same goes for Lance Stroll and Williams, and Kevin Magnussen and Haas.
 
Antonio Giovinazzi is the only driver who was the most popular pick for a team (Sauber), despite not driving for them in 2018. Therefore Giovinazzi to Sauber is the most popualr move this time. Sainz to Red Bull (predicted by 9), Ocon to Mercedes (predicted by 8), Russell to Force India (predicted by 7), and Bottas to Williams (predicted by 7) are the other ones in the top five. 
 
All players predict the current ten teams to line up the 2019 grid, with no new teams appearing.
 
Average pick

Mercedes	Lewis Hamilton		Valtteri Bottas
Ferrari		Sebastian Vettel	Kimi Räikkönen
Red Bull	Max Verstappen		Daniel Ricciardo
Force India	Sergio Pérez		Esteban Ocon
Williams	Lance Stroll		Robert Kubica
Renault		Nico Hülkenberg		Carlos Sainz
Toro Rosso	Pierre Gasly		Brendon Hartley
Haas		Kevin Magnussen		Romain Grosjean
McLaren		Fernando Alonso		Stoffel Vandoorne
Sauber		Antonio Giovinazzi	Marcus Ericsson

Leclerc was picked by 17 players, but they split him pretty evenly between Ferrari, Haas, and Sauber, leaving him without a seat in the average pick. Despite only being placed there by 4 players, Kubica gets a place in the average pick due to Ocon at Force India being more popular than Bottas at Williams.
 
I calculated the results if the average pick comes true:

    AVERAGE PICK		129.24

 1. RaikkonenFan96		123.41
 2. Kev00			117.12
 3. markelov74			105.12
 4. sladealonso			105.06
 5. TurnOffTheLights		102.65
 6. noikeee			102.53
 7. M2000-5			 98.41
 8. KWSN - DSM			 98.18
 9. turk157			 98.18
10. Marklar			 96.47
11. SpaceHorseParty		 92.35
12. DutchQuicksilver		 91.88
13. Grayson			 89.53
14. f1paul			 83.12
15. Makarias		 	 80.59
16. Brawn BGP 001		 75.82
17. scheivlak		 	 73.41
18. Costaz			 73.29

Unlike last year's preliminary results, this year there was a tie that had to be broken. KWSN - DSM gets 8th place ahead of turk157 as he submitted his guess two days earlier. Both players made 14 picks that exactly match the average pick.
 

This year I'll try something new – to make the game more exciting, I will post the interim results after each move is confirmed. However, since writing this took quite a bit of time, I will do that and post the first interim results in the next few days (shouldn't be very exciting, as only Vettel and Verstappen are confirmed).

So, see you in 11 months for the 2020 Silly Season Trophy, in roughly 16 months for the final results of this one, and in a little over 100 days for the results of the previous one. And, of course, in a few days for the first interim results!