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[HistoryFan]

We have 976 Grand Prix now, Ferrari was driving in 951 races. But I have 28 races without Ferrari as official team?

 

British Grand Prix 1950 - what was the reason?

Indy 500 1950 - almost no F1 teams at Indy (as the following years)

French Grand Prix 1950 - there was a F2 race in Reims where Ferrari was instead of...

Indy 500 1951

Indy 500 1953

Indy 500 1954

Indy 500 1955

Indy 500 1956

Indy 500 1957

Indy 500 1958

Indy 500 1959

British Grand Prix 1959 - what was the reason?

Indy 500 1960

USA Grand Prix 1960 - travel too expensive

USA Grand Prix 1961 - travel too expensive

French Grand Prix 1962 - there were some economic problems in Italy.

USA Grand Prix 1962 - travel too expensive

South Africa Grand Prix 1962 - travel too expensive

USA Grand Prix 1964 - NART was entering the cars due to an argument with ACI

Mexican Grand Prix 1964 - NART was entering the cars...

Britisch Grand Prix 1966 - there were some economic problems in Italy

South Africa Grad Prix 1967 - I think because of costs?

Monaco Grand Prix 1968 - track too dangerous for Enzo after Bandini died in an accident one year before

German Grand Prix 1969 - car not good enough, testing for Italy Grand Prix

Dutch Grand Prix 1973 - car too bad

German Grand Prix 1973 - car too bad

Austrian Grand Prix 1976 - after Lauda crash

Belgian Grand Prix 1982 - after Villeneuve crash

[Henri Greuter]

Qestionable: 1982 Swiss GP; Tambay being the only driver entered, practiced and qualified but unable to start the race due to neck injuries.

 

Henri

[Vitesse2]

We have 976 Grand Prix now, Ferrari was driving in 951 races. But I have 28 races without Ferrari as official team?

 

British Grand Prix 1950 - what was the reason?

Scuderia Ferrari raced in F2 at Mons on the same weekend. Allegedly because the starting money was better. But likely because they knew the 125 was outclassed by the Alfettas and the new unblown cars weren't yet ready.

[HistoryFan]

Qestionable: 1982 Swiss GP; Tambay being the only driver entered, practiced and qualified but unable to start the race due to neck injuries.

 

Henri

yes if we count Zolder 1982 we also had to count swiss 1982

[HistoryFan]

in some of that races there were Ferrari cars or at least Ferrari engines:

 

1950 French GP: Peter Whitehead 3rd in a private Ferrari

1954 Indy 500: Danny Oakes DNQ Ferrari

1956 Indy 500: Johnny Baldwin DNQ Ferrari, Farina/Earl Motter DNQ Kurtis Kraft Ferrari (Badahl team)

1960 USA: Pete Lovely Cooper Ferrari (it was a sports car engine) 11th

1964 USA/Mexiko: NART (see post 1)

1966 British GP: Chris Lawrence in the Pearce Ferrari (i think it was a sports car engine)

[DCapps]

USA Grand Prix 1961 - travel too expensive

 

Given that Cameron Argetsinger was willing to pay the entire cost of the team appearing for the race, not sure that travel expenses were the issue...

[HistoryFan]

what was the issue then?

[D28]

what was the issue then?

Check out extensive discussion here just past Jul topic 

Speculation about the 1961 Grand Prix of Italy and the USGP

Started by Jack-the-Lad, Jul 18 2017 19:09

Edited by D28, 22 December 2017 - 14:45.

[Roger Clark]

in some of that races there were Ferrari cars or at least Ferrari engines:

 

 

1960 USA: Pete Lovely Cooper Ferrari (it was a sports car engine) 11th

 

I think it was not a sports car engine but a 625 (possibly 555) Grand Prix engine from 1954/55.

[E1pix]

HistoryFan, I think Phil Hill already winning the World Championship, and the death of teammate von Trips, were two significant factors in Ferrari skipping Watkins Glen in 1961.

[bill p]

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I like your Avatar, Tony

Bill P

[2F-001]

Thanks Bill; I figured it was about time I sorted out a suitable pic.
It's a Marsh Models 1/43rd scale die-cast in 2F-001's BOAC Brands race guise.

[HistoryFan]

I think it was not a sports car engine but a 625 (possibly 555) Grand Prix engine from 1954/55.

I read somewhere in the internet it was the same engine model that was used by Ferrari at the 24h Le Mans in 1957

[opplock]

DCN wrote in the Autocourse History of the Grand Prix Car 1946-65 "fitted with one of the very rare four-cylinder Ferrari 625LM engines originally tailor-made purely for the Le Mans 24 hour race of 1956."

 

Half a point each perhaps. 

[Rob G]

According to Mike Lang's "Grand Prix!" Ferrari failed to enter the 1959 British GP because they "were caught up in Italian labour disputes," and they missed the 1962 French GP "due to an industrial strike in Italy."

[D-Type]

According to Mike Lang's "Grand Prix!" Ferrari failed to enter the 1959 British GP because they "were caught up in Italian labour disputes," and they missed the 1962 French GP "due to an industrial strike in Italy."

And in both cases the cars would not have been competitive.

[Roger Clark]

And in both cases the cars would not have been competitive.

In both cases they had been competitive in the previous race.

[Roger Clark]

DCN wrote in the Autocourse History of the Grand Prix Car 1946-65 "fitted with one of the very rare four-cylinder Ferrari 625LM engines originally tailor-made purely for the Le Mans 24 hour race of 1956."

Half a point each perhaps.

Thank you.

The 1956 Le Mans race limited prototypes to 2.5-litres. Ferrari built three 625LMs, based on the 2-litre Testa Rossa, which was essentially a customer car. After LevMans they were fitted with 2-litre engines and raced once by the factory before being fitted with 2.5xlitre engines again and sold to customers in the United States. I suppose that was the route by which Pete Lovely obtained an engine.

I knew little of this.

[Rob Miller]

 

D-Type, on 22 Dec 2017 - 23:07, said:

According to Mike Lang's "Grand Prix!" Ferrari failed to enter the 1959 British GP because they "were caught up in Italian labour disputes," and they missed the 1962 French GP "due to an industrial strike in Italy."

And in both cases the cars would not have been competitive.

 

In April 1959 at the BARC 200 at Aintree, Jean Behra won for Ferrari from second on the grid with Tony Brooks in second place. Also at the GP itself the Aston Martin DBR4s were second and sixth on the grid.

Edited by Rob Miller, 23 December 2017 - 00:21.

[opplock]

Thank you.

The 1956 Le Mans race limited prototypes to 2.5-litres. Ferrari built three 625LMs, based on the 2-litre Testa Rossa, which was essentially a customer car. After LevMans they were fitted with 2-litre engines and raced once by the factory before being fitted with 2.5xlitre engines again and sold to customers in the United States. I suppose that was the route by which Pete Lovely obtained an engine.

I knew little of this.

 

Same here. One of the joys of TNF for me is that even seemingly pointless threads can spin off onto a tangent and lead into previously unexplored territory.    

Edited by opplock, 23 December 2017 - 11:32.

[Claudio Navonne]

Same here. One of the joys of TNF for me is that even seemingly pointless threads can spin off onto a tangent and lead into previously unexplored territory.    

+1

[E1pix]

+2   

[robjohn]

1967 South African GP: MotorSport reported that Ferrari "could not get cars ready in time due to the racing department being rebuilt".
Maybe we should take that as figurative. There was a change in team manager to Franco Lini after a chaotic 1966 season.

Add the 1966 Mexican GP – after a single-car entry's 'ignominious performance' in the US GP, in Alan Henry's words. Bandini fought for the lead but had engine failure – 'an internal breakage'. Another report has the engine 'blowing up' and the car returning to the pits in a cloud of smoke.
 

Robin B