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[xtremeclock]

Now this will make a lot of noise....

 

 

https://twitter.com/...343687165296640

 

 

#AMuS: https://t.co/wN5lUeSbyV

 

 

 

 

 

 

The test rides in Barcelona were a warning shot. After the endurance races, some cars came back with bubbles on the rear tire. Mercedes had the biggest problems. Pirelli pushes it on the new asphalt of Barcelona. "He's black, saves the heat. Because all bumps have been smoothed out, the cars can drive lower and produce even more grip than usual. This can lead to overheating under continuous load and the low wear of the rubbers in the fast corners ", Pirelli sports director Mario Isola explains.

 

But there is another truth. Pirelli has designed its compounds one level softer than 2017. This lowers the temperature range in which the tires work. Therefore, the tendency to overheat starts earlier than last year. What slows the cars in the race and additionally contributes to the Überholproblematik.

Rubber layer thinner by 0.4 millimeters

Pirelli followed the request of Mercedes. "We would have done that too. That's how we were in Monza and Spa in 2011 and 2012, "says Isola. In Barcelona, ​​Silverstone and Paul Ricard, the rubber layer on the tire is reduced by 0.4 millimeters. That reduces the weight of a set of tires by at least one kilogram. The teams have to fill the gift with ballast.Mercedes suggested Pirelli to reduce the rubber layer on the critical racetracks. A thinner tread means less movement in the rubber and thus less risk of overheating.

On the 3 mentioned routes the asphalt was renewed. "It's the same guy as in Barcelona," says Isola. Pirelli would actually have needed 70 percent approval for a short term change. But here is the security argument. The competition reacted sourly. "We have no problems with bubbles," says McLaren.

Red Bull reluctantly relinquishes a competitive advantage: "Our car handles the tires more gently than the Mercedes," explains Daniel Ricciardo. A team boss rumbles: "Why should we change the tires if Mercedes has a problem? You have to see for yourself how they manage the tires. "

 

Edited by xtremeclock, 06 April 2018 - 20:29.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

There must be a reason behind this...


...Mercedes are being made the fall guy again...

Didn’t all teams have blistering?

Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 06 April 2018 - 20:24.

[cokata]

There must be a reason behind this...


...Mercedes are being made the fall guy again...

Didn’t all teams have blistering?

Did you read the article, or just the headline?

[RECKLESS]

Article in German.... anyone care to translate?

[cokata]

The test rides in Barcelona were a warning shot. After the endurance races, some cars came back with bubbles on the rear tire. Mercedes had the biggest problems. Pirelli pushes it on the new asphalt of Barcelona. "He's black, saves the heat. Because all bumps have been smoothed out, the cars can drive lower and produce even more grip than usual. This can lead to overheating under continuous load and the low wear of the rubbers in the fast corners ", Pirelli sports director Mario Isola explains.

 

But there is another truth. Pirelli has designed its compounds one level softer than 2017. This lowers the temperature range in which the tires work. Therefore, the tendency to overheat starts earlier than last year. What slows the cars in the race and additionally contributes to the Überholproblematik.

Rubber layer thinner by 0.4 millimeters

Pirelli followed the request of Mercedes. "We would have done that too. That's how we were in Monza and Spa in 2011 and 2012, "says Isola. In Barcelona, ​​Silverstone and Paul Ricard, the rubber layer on the tire is reduced by 0.4 millimeters. That reduces the weight of a set of tires by at least one kilogram. The teams have to fill the gift with ballast.Mercedes suggested Pirelli to reduce the rubber layer on the critical racetracks. A thinner tread means less movement in the rubber and thus less risk of overheating.

On the 3 mentioned routes the asphalt was renewed. "It's the same guy as in Barcelona," says Isola. Pirelli would actually have needed 70 percent approval for a short term change. But here is the security argument. The competition reacted sourly. "We have no problems with bubbles," says McLaren.

Red Bull reluctantly relinquishes a competitive advantage: "Our car handles the tires more gently than the Mercedes," explains Daniel Ricciardo. A team boss rumbles: "Why should we change the tires if Mercedes has a problem? You have to see for yourself how they manage the tires. "

[xtremeclock]

 

The test rides in Barcelona were a warning shot. After the endurance races, some cars came back with bubbles on the rear tire. Mercedes had the biggest problems. Pirelli pushes it on the new asphalt of Barcelona. "He's black, saves the heat. Because all bumps have been smoothed out, the cars can drive lower and produce even more grip than usual. This can lead to overheating under continuous load and the low wear of the rubbers in the fast corners ", Pirelli sports director Mario Isola explains.

 

But there is another truth. Pirelli has designed its compounds one level softer than 2017. This lowers the temperature range in which the tires work. Therefore, the tendency to overheat starts earlier than last year. What slows the cars in the race and additionally contributes to the Überholproblematik.

Rubber layer thinner by 0.4 millimeters

Pirelli followed the request of Mercedes. "We would have done that too. That's how we were in Monza and Spa in 2011 and 2012, "says Isola. In Barcelona, ​​Silverstone and Paul Ricard, the rubber layer on the tire is reduced by 0.4 millimeters. That reduces the weight of a set of tires by at least one kilogram. The teams have to fill the gift with ballast.Mercedes suggested Pirelli to reduce the rubber layer on the critical racetracks. A thinner tread means less movement in the rubber and thus less risk of overheating.

On the 3 mentioned routes the asphalt was renewed. "It's the same guy as in Barcelona," says Isola. Pirelli would actually have needed 70 percent approval for a short term change. But here is the security argument. The competition reacted sourly. "We have no problems with bubbles," says McLaren.

Red Bull reluctantly relinquishes a competitive advantage: "Our car handles the tires more gently than the Mercedes," explains Daniel Ricciardo. A team boss rumbles: "Why should we change the tires if Mercedes has a problem? You have to see for yourself how they manage the tires. "

 

 

Thank you, i added it to the main post.

[Jovanotti]

What is it about the love affair between Pirelli and Mercedes!?

[Nonesuch]

It's so typical for Pirelli to go out of its way to help Mercedes on supposed 'safety grounds' when other teams report not having any issues.

 

... FIArrarelli at it again...   

 

Oh wait, what was that?

 

Mercedes?

 

Never mind. It must be really dangerous then.

 

Good decision by Pirelli. Great job by Mercedes to alert them to this situation.

[RECKLESS]

Make your car work with the given tyres, not the other way round.

 

This is plain corrupt.

 

Edit to add: "Welcome to F1" before anyone says it.

Edited by RECKLESS, 06 April 2018 - 20:37.

[Jordan44]

Blistering is a safety issue so they have to be seen to be acting even if it looks a little dodgy. If Merc had a high speed tyre failure, Pirelli would take all the heat.

[cokata]

Blistering is a safety issue so they have to be seen to be acting even if it looks a little dodgy. If Merc had a high speed tyre failure, Pirelli would take all the heat.

 

Ferrari had severe issues waming up their tires in 2011, to the point that in some races they were always outside their operating windows. That was dangerous, but also entirely Ferrari's fault. I don't remember Pirelli intervening mid-season back then.

[xtremeclock]

Blistering is a safety issue so they have to be seen to be acting even if it looks a little dodgy. If Merc had a high speed tyre failure, Pirelli would take all the heat.

 

it is a safety issue if all the teams are suffering from the same, i don't think Red Bull, Ferrari (and McLaren according to the article) were suffering from blistering during the tests.

 

Instead of fixing the 'problem' with their car Mercedes requests new tyres and Pirelli agrees...

 

Thats not fair.

Edited by xtremeclock, 06 April 2018 - 20:47.

[RECKLESS]

Blistering is a safety issue so they have to be seen to be acting even if it looks a little dodgy. If Merc had a high speed tyre failure, Pirelli would take all the heat.

Right.

[ConsiderAndGo]

What an absolute joke.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Ferrari had severe issues waming up their tires in 2011, to the point that in some races they were always outside their operating windows. That was dangerous, but also entirely Ferrari's fault. I don't remember Pirelli intervening mid-season back then.

Different reasons?

[Jordan44]

it is a safety issue if all the teams are suffering from the same, i don't think Red Bull, Ferrari (and McLaren according to the article) were suffering from blistering during the tests.

 

Instead of fixing the 'problem' with their car Mercedes request new tyres and Pirelli agrees...

 

Thats not fair.

 

A tyre shouldn't blister under any conditions, that's why Pirelli have to act.

Edited by Jordan44, 06 April 2018 - 20:48.

[Kalmake]

More teams could have had the issue in summer conditions.

[Massa]

Blistering is a safety issue so they have to be seen to be acting even if it looks a little dodgy. If Merc had a high speed tyre failure, Pirelli would take all the heat.

No. It’s up to Mercedes to not have problem like other.

[Slowersofterdumber]

Different reasons?

And team.

[Slowersofterdumber]

A tyre shouldn't blister under any conditions, that's why Pirelli have to act.

Tyre war era tyres blistered sometimes, Michelin had graining every race in 2002, etc. **** happens.

[Jordan44]

Tyre war era tyres blistered sometimes, Michelin had graining every race in 2002, etc. **** happens.

 

Graining and blistering aren't the same thing.

[Seanspeed]

Blistering is a safety issue so they have to be seen to be acting even if it looks a little dodgy. If Merc had a high speed tyre failure, Pirelli would take all the heat.

If this was Ferrari, you'd be screaming bloody murder over it. 

[Yoshi]

If this was Ferrari, you'd be screaming bloody murder over it.

+1

What a joke this is

Edited by Yoshi, 06 April 2018 - 20:55.

[cokata]

Graining and blistering aren't the same thing.

Just ask yourself this, and be honest please. Would have been this understanding towards Pirelli if Ferrari made the request?

[Slowersofterdumber]

Graining and blistering aren't the same thing.

Eh... Of course not. Your point?

[Jordan44]

Just ask yourself this, and be honest please. Would have been this understanding towards Pirelli if Ferrari made the request?

 

Yes, I would.  Never given a damn about F1 politics, never complained about Ferrari getting the suspensions banned last season like some here did. It's all part of the wonderful world of F1.

 

That has nothing to do with the reason why Pirelli had to do something about it, though.

 

 

Eh... Of course not. Your point?

 

Telling me that Michellin had graining every grand prix has no relevance.

Edited by Jordan44, 06 April 2018 - 20:58.

[Afterburner]

Every time I hear about things like this, I get more and more glad I decided to give up watching this crap.

[cokata]

 

Yes, I would.  Never given a damn about F1 politics, never complained about Ferrari getting the suspensions banned last season like some here did. It's all part of the wonderful world of F1.

 

 

 

Telling me that Michellin had graining every grand prix has no relevance.

 

So if the FIA decide to ban Merc's party mode you would be chill, correct. I mean it's just politics

Edited by cokata, 06 April 2018 - 20:58.

[Slowersofterdumber]

Telling me that Michellin had graining every grand prix has no relevance.

What about the instances of blistering? Bridgestone spent 2003 Summer blistering their tyres and being murdered by all Michelin decent teams.

[Jordan44]

So if the FIA decide to ban Merc's party mode you would be chill, correct. I mean it's just politics

 

Ferrari's qualifying modes are basically as potent these days so your point is nullified.

 

I've been crying out for a more competitive F1 for a long time. I want Merc to be caught as soon as possible.

Edited by Jordan44, 06 April 2018 - 21:00.

[P123]

Well done to Merc, but what is 'special' about the tyres? Pirelli ignore suggestions and feedback from the teams and what their own data is telling them? Somehow doubt it. Pirelli routinely changed pressure guidelines last season whenever Ferrari struggled on a Friday so good to see Merc can have a bit of influence on them too.

We will still have one stop races. When was the last time any team had tyre troubles?

[cokata]

Ferrari's qualifying modes are basically as potent these days so your point is nullified.

No what does Ferrari's mode have to do with this. OK, Merc still have the best MGU-H recovery, FIA steps in mid-season and caps the amount that be recovered per lap, because reasons.

[ArrowsLivery]

More teams could have had the issue in summer conditions.

 

Exactly. Pirelli most likely knew this, which is why they agreed to the change. 

[Jordan44]

No what does Ferrari's mode have to do with this. OK, Merc still have the best MGU-H recovery, FIA steps in mid-season and caps the amount that be recovered per lap, because reasons.

 

All I want is better racing.

[Clatter]

Blistering is a safety issue so they have to be seen to be acting even if it looks a little dodgy. If Merc had a high speed tyre failure, Pirelli would take all the heat.

It's only a safety issue if the team ignore it and push the tyre too far. Easily fixed by making extra pitstops. If other teams don't have an issue then the problem is not with the tyres.

[Grundle]

The thing is Mercedes were still fastest anyway

[Seanspeed]

Pirelli routinely changed pressure guidelines last season whenever Ferrari struggled on a Friday so good to see Merc can have a bit of influence on them too.

 

 This is *some* revisionism, I tell ya. 

 

I'm sure you're just going to forget the numerous times that pressures were *raised* to Ferrari's detriment, yea?  

[Jordan44]

It's only a safety issue if the team ignore it and push the tyre too far. Easily fixed by making extra pitstops. If other teams don't have an issue then the problem is not with the tyres.

 

Hah. That brings up a very interesting memory. Remember the tyre failure at Spa 2015?

 

I suggest people think back to what people were saying here, and what the majority said was that it entirely was Pirelli's fault - this was despite the fact the data showed they pushed it beyond the recommended limits.

 

They are F1 teams, they are going to push limits.

Edited by Jordan44, 06 April 2018 - 21:09.

[f1paul]

Why can't they just change the compounds and use the superhard, hard and medium at those 3 races if they're so worried? Isn't that what they are there for?

[f1paul]

​But no, they will still probably use the SS, S and M at Silverstone and Paul Ricard with this "special tyre". 

[Seanspeed]

The thing is Mercedes were still fastest anyway

That's what makes this so frustrating.  Merc are very happy to consolidate their dominance, even if they pretend every weekend that "Ferrari/Red Bull are a big threat!".  

 

I dont blame them for trying, but I do blame Pirelli for giving in.  

[Clatter]

Hah. That brings up a very interesting memory. Remember the tyre failure at Spa 2015?

I suggest people think back to what people were saying here, and what the majority said was that it entirely was Pirelli's fault - this was despite the fact the data showed they pushed it beyond the recommended limits.

Many have had the knives out for Pirelli since day one and will blame them for everything.

[P123]

No what does Ferrari's mode have to do with this. OK, Merc still have the best MGU-H recovery, FIA steps in mid-season and caps the amount that be recovered per lap, because reasons.

It's just tyre development. I suppose they could ignore Mercedes, because Mercedes, but then they have the teams taking part in various tyre tests throughout the season so their feedback will be taken into account, otherwise not much point to it. Depends on whether you believe Pirelli should just turn up with a tyre and up to the teams to adapt (not entirely against that, but neither Pirelli or the teams liked it when no tyre testing), or whether Pirelli should also adapt to what the teams ask.

[Slowersofterdumber]

It's only a safety issue if the team ignore it and push the tyre too far. Easily fixed by making extra pitstops. If other teams don't have an issue then the problem is not with the tyres.

Even then. Is it a safety issue? Teams used to run blistered tyres for full stints. Mercedes ran heavily blistered tyres in testing this year, far worse than they would use in a GP without pitting to get performance back.

It's just bubbles, it is not as if we had tyre failures like in 2013. You lose pieces of rubber when bubbles blow, this is not as if the carcass exploded.

[P123]

​But no, they will still probably use the SS, S and M at Silverstone and Paul Ricard with this "special tyre".

It's a Pirelli. There is nothing special about it.

[Fatgadget]

Every time I hear about things like this, I get more and more glad I decided to give up watching this crap.

Why bother commenting on this 'crap' that you no longer watch  then?

[Risil]

Posts removed. Please try to discuss the actual topic.

[RacingGreen]

While I don't want to see a repeat of the 2005 US GP at Indianapolis (although having the Jordan's and Minardi's of this world on the podium occasionally isn't a bad thing) I thought the whole point of these increasingly ubersoft tyres was to make them blister and encourage 2 and 3 stop races. So what's changed? 

[JHSingo]

Mercedes working with Pirelli, what is this, 2013?

[MikeV1987]

Don't all teams have to agree unanimously on something like this? I have hard time believing this is true.

Edited by MikeV1987, 06 April 2018 - 22:50.