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[HistoryFan]

Grosjean crashed behind Safety Car.

Montoya/Schumacher did the same in Monaco 2004.

Of couese last year Baku Hamilton/Vettel

Heidfeld crasht into the medical car in Interlagos 2001

The safety Car crashed into Inoue in Monaco 1996 and Hungary 1996.

 

[sportyskells]

erm, did you miss Ericsson from Monaco (was that last year?)

[Barty]

erm, did you miss Ericsson from Monaco (was that last year?)

 

Yes, that was last year.

[jwill189]

Grosjean crashed behind Safety Car.

Montoya/Schumacher did the same in Monaco 2004.

Of couese last year Baku Hamilton/Vettel

Heidfeld crasht into the medical car in Interlagos 2001

The safety Car crashed into Inoue in Monaco 1996 and Hungary 1996.

 

I think Chilton crashed under the SC in Hungary 2014.

[registered]

Bottas in China in 2017?

[Risil]

Button and Schumacher at Monza in 2000. Although that one probably wasn't Button's fault.

[Risil]

This great thing happened in Indycar a few years ago:

 

[Kalmake]

Heidfeld crasht into the medical car in Interlagos 2001

IIRC this was in practice so no safety car.

[Topsu]

Just don't crash into the recovery vehicles guys...

[OO7]

Schumacher in China 2005?

[ANF]

I'm gonna go off topic straight away with this monumental accident that wasn't technically behind the safety car but was caused by cars that slowed down for SC boards.

[krapmeister]

Webber/Vettel Fuji 2007

[pacificquay]

I'm gonna go off topic straight away with this monumental accident that wasn't technically behind the safety car but was caused by cars that slowed down for SC boards.https://www.youtube....h?v=U1rs5YZXnec

I’d say it was caused by the cars that didn’t slow down ;

[f1paul]

I'm gonna go off topic straight away with this monumental accident that wasn't technically behind the safety car but was caused by cars that slowed down for SC boards.

WOW - That's scary to say the least.

[scheivlak]

Schumacher in China 2005?

That was pre-race, on his way to the grid.

[ANF]

I’d say it was caused by the cars that didn’t slow down ;

Good point.

[BalanceUT]

So, that is to say, some known highly skilled drivers have made similarly idiotic mistakes. Not a firing offense, but don't let it happen again, kid. 

[johnmhinds]

Was pretty funny to hear someone on Grosjean's radio blaming Ericsson after he crashed. Ericsson was 3-4 cars back and nowhere near him.

 

https://streamable.com/ni5tf

[Sterzo]

It was obvious what Grosjean was trying to do. He wanted to get into HistoryFan's statistics.

[Baddoer]

Safety car is not safe at all. I'm glad at least HALO can keep things safe.

[aray]

Grosjean crashed behind Safety Car.

Montoya/Schumacher did the same in Monaco 2004.

Of couese last year Baku Hamilton/Vettel

Heidfeld crasht into the medical car in Interlagos 2001

The safety Car crashed into Inoue in Monaco 1996 and Hungary 1996.

eh!? Safety car crashed into same guy twice in a year...!??? Or am i missing something?

[screamingV16]

Grosjean crashed behind Safety Car.

Montoya/Schumacher did the same in Monaco 2004.

Of couese last year Baku Hamilton/Vettel

Heidfeld crasht into the medical car in Interlagos 2001

The safety Car crashed into Inoue in Monaco 1996 and Hungary 1996.

 

He was pushed off by Ericsson or car made a mistake....

Edited by screamingV16, 29 April 2018 - 17:26.

[PayasYouRace]

eh!? Safety car crashed into same guy twice in a year...!??? Or am i missing something?

It was actually in 1995.

At Monaco, Inoue was being towed back to the pits after practise. As he was being towed through the swimming pool section, a course car coming round behind too fast crashed into him and rolled him over.

Then in a Hungary, his Arrows broke down with something on fire at the back so he parked on the grass. He got out of the car, running to the marshals and grabbed a fire extinguisher. As he ran back to his car, a course car which was driving down the grass to his stricken car, literally ran him down.

[PlatenGlass]

I think Chilton crashed under the SC in Hungary 2014.

I had a feeling Grosjean might have crashed behind the safety car at Hungary at some point as well.

[BRG]

I reckon anyone that crashes behind a safety car needs to have a really, really good excuse for not having his race licence shredded.

[P123]

That was pre-race, on his way to the grid.

He topped it off by spinning out under the SC in the race. A strange Sunday for him.
 

during the Safety Car period, I spun simply because my tyres were completely worn and they were very cold, so when someone braked ahead of me, I had to brake as well and went off the track. Actually, I am not sure I would have finished the race because of the condition of my tyres.

Also, JPM spun under the SC at Oz '06. Trulli went off at Oz '09 under SC.

[Andrew Hope]

Biggest near miss I can remember was Indy at Baltimore a few years back. Don't remember exactly what year since time all blends together and years are either 1995 or not, but a safety truck was still on course at the start of the race. It was hauling ass going against the flow of traffic trying to get back to the escape road, and missed decapitating the front row of the grid by roughly one second.

[Claudio Navonne]

Roberto Guerrero Indianápolis 1992, he crashed from de pole!

Edited by Claudio Navonne, 29 April 2018 - 19:45.

[PayasYouRace]

There’s also a fair list of F1 drivers losing control on the formation lap, which is essentially SC conditions. David Coulthard, Gerhard Berger and Alain Prost have all done it.

[TennisUK]

Prost did it at Imola while driving at Ferrari. That was pretty embarrassing.

[redreni]

Wasn't it also Grosjean who stuffed it in the fence under SC in Hungary in 2014?

 

If you discount starts and restarts, there are probably more incidents per lap under SC than under green flag conditions (possible exaggeration, I don't have the figures). I'm not a fan of the SC because it disrupts the race almost as much as a red flag but is far less safe. It's also used for many incidents that could be covered by a local slow zone, which would alleviate the tyre warming dramas which are the underlying cause of most incidents that happen under SC conditions.

 

If you slow the cars down over the entire lap even though the incident is localised to one corner, then you make it very difficult for the drivers to hit their deltas precisely whilst at the same time maximising the amount of heat they generate in their brakes and tyres. They have to find ways to make wheelspin, keep working the brakes and generate tyre slip, all while in maximum harvesting mode and therefore experiencing variable amounts of engine braking at the rear axle. Ever likely they sometimes get it wrong and end up in the fence.

[johnmhinds]

I reckon anyone that crashes behind a safety car needs to have a really, really good excuse for not having his race licence shredded.

Cold tyres, low tyre pressures and a crown in the road because it’s a street track.

[ANF]

Prost did it at Imola while driving at Ferrari. That was pretty embarrassing.

From pole position too, wasn't it? Just like Coulthard at Monza.

Edit: Nah, Prost was in third.

Edited by ANF, 29 April 2018 - 23:18.

[Lee Nicolle]

The very obvious,,, Bianchi crashing under double yellows. The 'Safety Car' was somewhere on the track. And most of the field were racing to catch up.

[Lee Nicolle]

Safety car is not safe at all. I'm glad at least HALO can keep things safe.

Yeah right, halo is b/s

[Lee Nicolle]

Safety car crashes are so common in so called 'proffesional' motorsport. And crashing under waved or double yellows.

V8 Stupid cars have several per year, Neil Crompton [commentator] calls them go faster  boards. Even after Bianchi nothing really changed in any category. 

AND how many 'victories' have happened under yellows and safety cars. Too many and I can remember a couple of 'winners' who actually crashed and caused the yellows or crashed under yellows and caused red flags. Jim Richards and the Bargwarnas at Bathurst is the standout for outright and class 'honors' with no honor!

[Kobasmashi]

The very obvious,,, Bianchi crashing under double yellows. The 'Safety Car' was somewhere on the track. And most of the field were racing to catch up.

 

Dude no. Bianchi's accident happened precisely because the Safety Car wasn't on track (on a track that had become full-wets levels of wet while everyone was on Inters, where someone had just aquaplaned into the wall, might I add...). Under SC deltas none of the field would have gone anywhere near as quickly around Dunlop, Bianchi included.

[noikeee]

It was obvious what Grosjean was trying to do. He wanted to get into HistoryFan's statistics.

 

That, and I thought he was perhaps missing a bit of racing GT cars, like he did the year he fell out of F1 the first time. Because doing mistakes like that, when you're already being surprisingly outperformed by your not-too-super-highly-rated teammate, is a great way to lose a seat in F1 again and find your way back into GTs.

[Dmitriy_Guller]

I've said it before, but FIA really needs to crack down on drivers dicking around under the safety car.  It seems like everyone is free to swerve and accelerate/brake unpredictably, especially the leader who's trying to catch out the cars behind him, while the cars behind try to stay as close as possible.  That's a recipe for plenty of needless collisions.

[BalanceUT]

Grosjean's kinda resemble's Guerrero's from '92. That is, cold tires combined with high torque whipped the rear around. 

[jstrains]

Romain is quite embarassing this year...

[Hati]

Wasn't it during a safety car period when Hamilton crashed in pitlane. I still can't understand why there wasn't a ban for at least one race for that.

[goldenboy]

There’s also a fair list of F1 drivers losing control on the formation lap, which is essentially SC conditions. David Coulthard, Gerhard Berger and Alain Prost have all done it.

Didn't Schumacher do it also?

[mgs315]

Wasn't it during a safety car period when Hamilton crashed in pitlane. I still can't understand why there wasn't a ban for at least one race for that.

Yep Rosberg too at Montreal 2008. It was due to the pit lane exit being shut more than an incident behind the safety car. Not the first nor last time we’ve had drivers running into each other during SC periods either, unintentionally or otherwise 😊.

[Bleu]

Dude no. Bianchi's accident happened precisely because the Safety Car wasn't on track (on a track that had become full-wets levels of wet while everyone was on Inters, where someone had just aquaplaned into the wall, might I add...). Under SC deltas none of the field would have gone anywhere near as quickly around Dunlop, Bianchi included.

 

To add that, it took about a minute from Bianchi crash until SC was deployed.

[Sterzo]

I've said it before, but FIA really needs to crack down on drivers dicking around under the safety car.  It seems like everyone is free to swerve and accelerate/brake unpredictably, especially the leader who's trying to catch out the cars behind him, while the cars behind try to stay as close as possible.  That's a recipe for plenty of needless collisions.

Seconded. For a time in UK club racing they were really strict on this and you could see the benefits. Then they must have watched F1 on TV and given up in despair.

 

Oh, and another for our list of hopeless and incompetent drivers who lost it on the formation lap - Jim Clark.

[JHSingo]

Do these count?

 

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

Didn't Schumacher do it also?

From a certain point of view you can say that he lost control over himself during 1994 british GP formation lap. But he never lost control over the vehicle

[pacificquay]

It was actually in 1995.

At Monaco, Inoue was being towed back to the pits after practise. As he was being towed through the swimming pool section, a course car coming round behind too fast crashed into him and rolled him over.

Then in a Hungary, his Arrows broke down with something on fire at the back so he parked on the grass. He got out of the car, running to the marshals and grabbed a fire extinguisher. As he ran back to his car, a course car which was driving down the grass to his stricken car, literally ran him down.

 

 

Should be said that neither of those was the safety car, as such

[7MGTEsup]

Didn't Vettel take out some marker boards in 2012? at Abu Dahbi? 

Edited by 7MGTEsup, 30 April 2018 - 15:15.