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#451 Macca

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 13:54

Yes, he did............but that isn't Chris, or Bob or Phil or Ri(t)chie...


And although I don't know what Skip Scott looked like then, from the helmet it isn't him.

Is it Ken Costello then? Or it might be the American stunt driver, Gary Lofton; and apparently the Director of Photography, Lionel 'Curly' Lindon, was an amateur racer, so he may have driven something at some point.



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#452 Pils1989

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 13:59

Teddy told me he was Gurney "double' at Monza and Andre was Hill "double" as you could see in a picture I've posted moons ago.
Now, if Teddy could tell us more about the filming...

#453 Keir

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Posted 11 June 2005 - 14:13

The mystery continues !!

Lots of life left in the old "Grand Prix" girl !!

We need more threads dedicated to her !!

#454 MCS

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 20:10

Originally posted by ian senior


I think that's him.

"TNF shock - Ian Senior replies to a Grand Prix thread in a constructive manner".


"Ken Costello" - the name is so familiar for some reason.

Didn't he race a Mini either in Special Saloons or even the British Touring Car Championship...?

(Why is the name SO familiar?)

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#455 Pils1989

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 20:49

You have a music star with the same name but i don remember his first name...

#456 ian senior

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Posted 13 June 2005 - 08:47

Originally posted by Pils1989
You have a music star with the same name but i don remember his first name...


Elvis Costello. Great guy, great music (apart from in his C&W phase....).

#457 Macca

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Posted 13 June 2005 - 12:05

But is that him? (Ken not Elvis!)

Here is a still that shows the helicopter shot of the staged Belgian GP - and there's a single-track railway line running parallel to the circuit.

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I think it's the second half of the Masta Straight, the Hollowell section - does anyone have a map that would confirm this?


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#458 Macca

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Posted 14 June 2005 - 14:15

OK, I found a map, and it is Hollowell.

http://www.cstudio.net/artf1old2.htm

Nice painting of Pete's triumph there - did anyone mention that? If so, apologies.

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#459 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 14 June 2005 - 23:25

Uh, doesn't the mysterious Cobra driver look alot like Mr. Frankenheimer himself?

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#460 rosemeyer

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Posted 14 June 2005 - 23:45

Paul you are becoming totally obsessed

#461 Frank S

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 04:54

Originally posted by R.W. Mackenzie
Uh, doesn't the mysterious Cobra driver look alot like Mr. Frankenheimer himself?

Bob Mackenzie

Good eye, I'd guess.

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#462 Barry Boor

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 06:59

Paul you are becoming totally obsessed



Becoming ??????? :lol:

#463 Keir

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 03:22

What Barry, no pics !!!! :eek:

#464 Macca

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 13:40

Duhhh...................imagine not twigging that it was Frankenheimer himself for all these years...............

Anyway, here's another photo from the film programme; the start at Brands:

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#465 Macca

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 10:27

http://www.lane1.u-n.../GrandPrix.html

Keir probably has this anyway....................

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and another shot from the movie progamme

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#466 Keir

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 00:07

I did take some files from the movie carset to see if I liked any of the work, but I believe that I only kept the drivers pics !

#467 Macca

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Posted 27 June 2005 - 09:22

Seen at the Goodwood FoS.............a driver with a distinctive helmet in a 1958 works Ferrari 250TR. Could this be Pete Aron reunited with his first works drive?

http://bonneville-sp...4675/3/26014162

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#468 Richard Neale

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Posted 27 June 2005 - 09:41

Were the crowds a bit thin in those pics from the FoS ???????

#469 Macca

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 08:31

No, that was Friday morning, so it hadn't yet filled up.

The programme said that 250TR was driven by (restorer) Neil Twyman.............but his helmet was definitely coloured red/blue (not blue/red like Amon).

Even I haven't got a crash-hat painted like Aron (or Sarti)!

:lol:

And the car has a lovely patina to it, unlike so many (over-) restored Ferraris.

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Edited by Macca, 25 June 2012 - 16:35.


#470 Gary C

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 09:14

that's a lovely picture, Macca, exactly how the car should be ; used.

#471 Macca

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 11:26

And Scott's 'office':

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cockpit of BRM P2617 at Goodwood.


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#472 Richard Neale

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 11:36

And which Tartan is that ???? :

#473 Macca

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 15:06

Royal Stewart (not Stoddard), I believe.

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#474 Macca

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 12:55

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Found a recent picture of Nino Barlini..................


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#475 Richard Neale

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 14:00

So that's what happens to you when you chase young french ladies!!!

#476 Macca

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 15:36

He looks pretty good for 62 or 63, I'd say..............must be something in it!

http://www.hepatic.n...od05/ahh?full=1

Here's another photo from Goodwood of that mystery driver in a Pete Aron helmet, this time a full-face.


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#477 Cirrus

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 16:29

A Propos of nothing in particular. I was studying the Historic Formula Junior technical regulations today (as you do), and found a special class for ex Grand Prix fakes.

Class E11. Lotus 20 racing cars with bodies converted by Jim Russell for use in the film “Grand Prix” but otherwise complying with the specification of Formula Junior (FIA category FJ/2)


Just imagine the battles that could be re-enacted!

#478 Macca

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Posted 08 July 2005 - 11:39

I wonder if they give a handicap allowance for the drag of all those fake intakes and exhausts that they'd have to carry?

I believe there are a couple of Lotus 20s in FJ racing that were in the film, but they run with standard bodywork; and there's one with a fake Lotus 43 nosecone and a t/c engine used in sprints.

Anyway, back to work on my next article: "Aron: The Early Years".......................



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#479 Macca

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Posted 11 July 2005 - 15:19

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Another pic from the cinema programme; the GT40 camera car (wonder if CAA was driving it?) c/n GT1027

(more here:http://www.racingicons.com/gt/1027.htm


Film review site:
http://www.taoyue.co...grand-prix.html

with a still of Spence and Bandini at Zandvoort....................and the first still, over Aron's shoulder onboard at Spa :- look at the front suspension, it appears to be a Brabham.

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#480 Macca

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 15:40

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Here's that chap in the Pete Aron helmet driving a 1958 Ferrari TR250 at Goodwood................could it be..........?


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#481 Keir

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 20:55

That is the "Aron" lid, soooooo, who knows !!

#482 Macca

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 15:26

The great 'Grand Prix' thread caption competition, part 9:

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"You really haven't driven before, have you Antonio?"


image provided by and © Ferret Foto



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#483 Macca

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 15:49

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"No-one could decide if they were exhausts or lifting handles..........."

© Ferret Fotos


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#484 Gary C

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 15:59

that car looks bluddy awful! And what's that down the side of the engine???

#485 Macca

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 16:27

Supposed to look like this:

http://www.club-lotu...ndex.php?id=302

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#486 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 17:38

...and it nearly does, too..... NOT.

#487 D-Type

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 23:35

Originally posted by Macca
The great 'Grand Prix' thread caption competition, part 9:

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"You really haven't driven before, have you Antonio?"


image provided by and © Ferret Foto



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:) :D :lol: :rotfl:

#488 Macca

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Posted 22 July 2005 - 14:46

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"There's a bloke in front of me in shorts - it's not Barry, is it?"



:)



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Edited by Macca, 31 August 2012 - 20:21.


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Posted 26 July 2005 - 11:17

Aron at Clermont-Ferrand: "You know I went to Manetta looking for a job?"

Sarti: "I think he should have given you one."

if only..................could have been a 3-way Ferrari fight for the WDC

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Aron's secret test session?


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#490 Keir

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 15:21

Now, that happens to be young, Chris Amon ??

..... but the helmet is the red to blue Aron lid !!!

What's going on here ??

#491 Macca

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 15:52

Front cover of Autosport from 1967.................reversed.

;)

(wouldn't have worked if he'd been another number)

Practise for the 1967 RoC at Brands, South Bank Corner (DNS due to road crash with cash-laden woman).


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#492 Keir

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 16:51

Very good, Paul !! Very good !!

You had me going there for a minute!! Maybe I need more sleep ??

Cash laden women ??????

That crash was in Chris' Sunbeam Tiger !!

#493 Macca

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 15:41

:lol:

The woman turned across Chris' path; she didn't want to get the police or insurance company involved IIRC, and when Chris said he wouldn't be able to work that weekend she produced a wad of cash and offered to compensate him........you know the rest of that story.


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Wonder if this was the car that Ean Pugh owns now.....


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#494 Keir

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 17:03

Where is that lady when I need her ???

#495 Macca

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 15:16

Here's that Lotus 43 fake again, in the Brands footage, overtaking Scott when he had his 'little problem'

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but, oddly, when 'Clark' crossed the finish line it had turned into a 33:

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:confused:


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#496 Macca

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 16:33

Imagine my surprise when, walking round the paddock at Silversone last Sunday, I espied what appeared to be Roger Stoddard's WDC-winning Jordan-BRM, sporting his number 1 in honour of his success as well as the distinctive BRM badge, just as I remember it from the painting in the film...........

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:)


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#497 Keir

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 16:47

Wasn't the car at the Stoddard estate a Lotus ???

#498 Pils1989

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 16:54

Yeap

#499 Keir

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 17:02

As I remember the line in the movie, "Roger had some great days in this car!"


Sadly, no one else could remember having any great days !!

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#500 Pils1989

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 17:15

I remember the wheels being yellow in the movie btw but, then, read my disclaimer at the bottom :D