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#601 Frank S

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 18:15

Is it true that James Frey is contracted to ghost-write Aron's memoirs?

Tentatively titled, "A Million (Or Considerably Fewer) Inscrutable Little Facial Expressions"?

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#602 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 15 February 2006 - 15:58

Next Sunday 19 February at 04:55 p.m. "Grand Prix" movie will be transmitted by Sky television in Italy, Italian version.

I've already placed my video-recorder...;)

#603 f1steveuk

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 18:58

Forgive me if this has been asked, but I watched most of Grand Prix last night, and after the usual moment of seeing how similar Stopard looks to Jim Clark, I thought, "hold up, have I seen Clark appear anywhere? or even a works Lotus?" Is it me (and without watching it all again) are they very absent, and why??

#604 Macca

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 19:29

Clark is seen(briefly) and mentioned by name just before the British GP. There are glimpses of a Lotus in some of the staged footage (see photo in post #568 where a Lotus 33 is crossing the line as Aron's car bursts into flames) at Brands, Monza and Clermont-Ferrand.

Lotus were to have been central to the plot, but it's alleged Chapman was uncooperative so MGM switched to BRM. Also Clark, together with Surtees and others, signed with Steve McQueen who was also trying to do a motor-racing film that year - it was cancelled due to McQueen's being ill.

(Surtees is said to have sued MGM for using his helmet colours, BTW!)


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#605 f1steveuk

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 20:16

hence the change from Surtees' colours to Mike Parkes in Sarti's car!!! Nothing changes!! Thanks

#606 Roger Clark

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 23:02

Originally posted by Macca


(Surtees is said to have sued MGM for using his helmet colours, BTW!)


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Surtees successfully sued MGM for similarities between Sarti and his own life.

#607 Rob29

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 08:37

Originally posted by f1steveuk
hence the change from Surtees' colours to Mike Parkes in Sarti's car!!! Nothing changes!! Thanks

No the change was due to Surtees move to Cooper!

#608 Macca

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 21:22

I wonder what were the similarities Surtees felt were present...............Sarti was a 44-year-old French-Corsican with two WDCs married to the daughter of a French car manufacturer (one who led her own life and didn't go to the races) and had a flat at Monza and a villa on a lake.... :confused:

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#609 Roger Clark

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Posted 17 February 2006 - 23:47

The jury obviously agreed. I can't comment because I've never seen the film.

#610 Barry Boor

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 08:49

Are you kidding, Roger? If not, I am utterly smacked in the gob! and will bring you the video next weekend.

#611 Rob29

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 08:59

Originally posted by Macca
I wonder what were the similarities Surtees felt were present...............Sarti was a 44-year-old French-Corsican with two WDCs married to the daughter of a French car manufacturer (one who led her own life and didn't go to the races) and had a flat at Monza and a villa on a lake.... :confused:

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I think it was just the name.Surtees is pronounced 'Sarti' in France!

#612 Macca

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 13:04

Here's Jo Bonnier in the British GP, doubling for Sarti's Ferrari in a Brabham BT11:

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and here's James Garner taking time out from a previous role to audition for the Aron part:

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;)


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#613 Keir

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 15:08

:rotfl:

#614 Macca

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 20:29

http://www.ferrarich...=1&d=1142877725

http://www.ferrarich...=1&d=1142949118

A couple more shooting pics that have come to light.

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#615 MCS

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 20:31

Originally posted by Macca
http://www.ferrarich...=1&d=1142877725

http://www.ferrarich...=1&d=1142949118

A couple more shooting pics that have come to light.

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Need to be logged in Paul...

#616 Macca

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 11:15

Originally posted by MCS


Need to be logged in Paul...


You mean everyone isn't already a member of that excellent historical resource?

:o


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(sorry about that)

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Edited by Macca, 05 January 2010 - 20:31.


#617 Breadmaster

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 22:36

Our wishes are granted!

#618 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 07:57

Good article (quite some details uncovered, missed her at TNF :blush: ). Still never knew Frankenheimer resembled Dr. Farina so much.

Great Xmas present, I am sure. Extra scenes that did not make the movie on the DVD?? That would be great...

#619 ScottL

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 17:33

I particulary enjoyed this one-runon-sentence paragraph:

But Bruce McLaren, on a budget supplemented by contributions from Frankenheimer, still had the devil of a time coming up with an engine for his new car, which meant that at Monaco the McLaren was running a huge and delightfully noisy twin overhead cam Ford Indianapolis-based V8 engine (downsized from 4.2 litres to 3 litres) but when that did not work out McLaren switched to a Serenssima sports car V8 engine built for Count Volpi by famed Lancia and Maserati engine-builder Alberto Massimino, a design that also proved to be a disappointment, so that McLaren switched back to the Indy-based Ford.



I was holding back until I got to "Count Volpi", at which point I started laughing out loud. What a wonderful era. :drunk:

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#620 911

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 11:52

Originally posted by Macca
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Found a recent picture of Nino Barlini..................


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Great pic - thanks, Paul. I was wondering what Nino looked like these days.

#621 ray b

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 06:56

release date july 11 06 priced at $21.00 us

http://www.dvdtown.c...ledition/18791/

#622 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 07:43

I presume this is the Region 1 version. Is there a release date for the Region 2 edition?

#623 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:25

Maybe it already have been mentioned, but I can't find it anyway: Does anyone know when they filmed at Clermont-Ferrand?

#624 fvebr

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:33

June 27th 1965 i guess...

#625 Rob29

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:36

Originally posted by fvebr
June 27th 1965 i guess...

No,I think he means the scenes in the movie which I guess were filmed in the summer of 66 along with the rest.

#626 Macca

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:39

The book (in French) about Clermont-Ferrand mentions the filming, maybe it gives the exact dates?

Otherwise, I'd assume at about the same time as the real GP was taking place at Reims.

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#627 Keir

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 13:17

Might not have been in conjunction with Reims as current drivers were committed to the movie.

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 15:31

Originally posted by Keir
Might not have been in conjunction with Reims as current drivers were committed to the movie.

My impression has always been that no drivers or real F1 cars appear in the Clermont Ferrand sequence,only actors and fakes?

#629 Macca

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 19:52

Aha............just realised..............Mike Spence and his Parnell Lotus-BRM are seen in the pits shot when Aron is doing his commentator bit, and he says ''Hello Chris'' to Amon - both of whom took part in the French GP at Reims; and of course Graham Hill and Jo Bonnier are seen in the restaurant. Hill also took part in filming in a fake BRM.

There were three weeks between Spa and Reims, and two between Reims and Brands - so it was probably shot before Reims.


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#630 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:34

In the article about the filming in American Cinematographer from January 1967, "Clermont-Ferrand, France" is listed between "Zandborg, Holland" (sic) and "Monza, Italy" if that has any relevance...

And the GP drivers in those days used to race in F2 and sportscars as well as F1, so they wouldn't have all that much spare time...



#631 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 10:21

Bonnier had two weeks between Le Mans and Reims, two weeks between Zandvoort and Nürburgring and one and a-half week between Keimola and Monza. But I don't know how much time the filming needed.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 10:55

Originally posted by Eric McLoughlin
I presume this is the Region 1 version. Is there a release date for the Region 2 edition?


What is the Region 2 edition?

#633 Don Speekingleesh

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 12:51

The Region 2 edition is the version that'll work in DVD players in The Middle East, Western Europe, Central Europe, Egypt, Greenland, Japan, Lesotho, South Africa and Swaziland.

Region 1 is only for Bermuda, Canada, United States and U.S. territories.

Thankfully I have a region free player, so I'll be getting the R1 version if that's one that's out first.

#634 WGD706

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 18:12

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Brands Hatch: Behind the Checkered Flag - Behind the scenes tour of the famous raceway used in the movie
Grand Prix: Challenge of the Champions – 1960’s Featurette behind-the-scenes at the Grand Prix
Speed Channel Promo

http://dvdtimes.co.u...contentid=61225

#635 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 06:55

I have a Region Free DVD player as well, but most DVD players in the UK would be standrad Region 2 machines. I thought that it would be useful to know if and when the Region 2 release was.

Any ideas?

#636 Macca

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 19:41

Another out-take, from Bob Bondurant's book on driving - seen at Monza, apparently in a fake Eagle-Weslake:

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#637 Macca

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 21:51

While I've been showing great restraint ( :p ) in only posting in this thread when someone else does, I recently found this pic on the official McLaren website and it seems too good to miss:

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(The MGM camera car at Spa.)

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Posted 02 July 2006 - 08:34

I've been reading this whole thing and have not seen that this has been addressed. John Surtees sued and won because he did n ot give permission for his "story" to be used and it was found that the storyline was too close to the truth. Ferrari used mind games and mysterious mechanical events to try and "control" his drivers and their contracts.

I assume all interested in this movie have checked out information available on The Internet Movie Database? Miles of names listed there for Grand Prix 1966

#639 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 02 July 2006 - 15:50

I read in a Road & Track race report from Monaco 66, that John Surtees was so mad about GPDA allowing cameras on cars again (it had been banned after the Nürburgring incident where Graham Hill ran over a dropped camera), that he walked out and left the association. Was this true? Did Surtees leave GPDA and if so, did he rejoin?

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#640 Keir

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 14:35

BTW, "Challenge of the Champions" has been released before - and it's absolute crap. It appeared on the original "making of Grand Prix" it's a total rip off if you happen to be a fan of the movie.

I only hope this new DVD is not full of contrived stuff like that !!

#641 Ralliart

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 01:23

When the GPDA caved in and allowed cars with cameras to circulate at the same time as the GP drivers, Surtees, to my knowledge, resigned from the GPDA.

#642 Macca

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 20:14

Another photo not seen before, I think, of the start of the Belgian GP in 1966, with Bondurant in his Aron helmet on the left:

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#643 Macca

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 12:48

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Spa 1966, the Masta Straight - either Sarti is about to lap Rindt, or Surtees is moving up to take the lead as the track dries....................but where's the helicopter?

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#644 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 15:27

Up in the air, Macca, where would you expect it to be? :lol:

#645 SEdward

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 09:15

Macca.

There used to be a huge beer and burger stall at the top of the slope on the outside of Eau Rouge. There was an enormous wall-sized photo behind the counter and I think that it was the one you posted.

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#646 David M. Kane

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 15:11

I forgot just how good this movie was! The interview with Director, John Frankenheimer, was particularly enlightening. Especially the bit of taking the footage from Monaco to Marenello to show Enzo; AND setting a full projection system in his office to do so.

#647 Macca

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 22:22

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Purloined from another forum, original copyright 'Life' magazine, 1966.

Of the 'real' GP drivers in the photo, 3 are still with us............but sadly 4 are not.


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Posted 14 September 2006 - 20:04

Recent googling and searching of ebay uncovered a rare cartoon of Sarti after his first WDC in 1961..............so in honour of the 45th anniversary:

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:)


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Edited by Macca, 05 January 2010 - 19:38.


#649 Keir

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 13:31

Can anyone name all the people in the pic ???

#650 Barry Boor

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 16:42

Yes!