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#901 Macca

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 13:49

Now if some kind person could post the Speed TV intro on Youtube so those of us in the UK could see it.............

At the 1966 British GP start, you can just see Mike Spence's Lotus-BRM repainted red for the race, then Siffert's Cooper, Irwin's Brabham-Climax '4', John Taylor in a Brabham-BRM alongside Ligier and Bonnier, and at the back behind Lawrence are Pete Arundel in Lotus-BRM and Trevor Taylor in the Shannon-Climax FPE.

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#902 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 22:36

Originally posted by Macca
Now if some kind person could post the Speed TV intro on Youtube so those of us in the UK could see it.............


And for those of us who taped the race off TSN instead of Speed TV. :lol:

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 18:36

Just noticed it's running on TCM, started 6.00pm UK time.

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 19:56

Back in post # 802 !!! R.W. MacKenzie posted some odd images that were clearly not taken from scenes of cars on the real Monaco circuit.

I may try, on Friday, to have a mooch around up near Massenet to see if I can find the location of those scenes.

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 01:00

Hi lads
I was watching the film for the 1.000.000 time when I spot something that I had never notice. My 4 year old son is now enjoying the film and asking many questions. When he asked who was the driver with the black helmet with the yellow stripe that appears in the very begining of the film (from behind) I could not answer him. Does anyone knows who was him?...and also the one with the white helmet that shows thumbs up when the screen is devided in several bits? (also at Monaco)

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 12:24

It seems likely that the black/orange helmet is Skip Scott, who is credited as one of the drivers for the film..............he was driving in some sports races in Europe that year, but wasn't entered for the Monaco F3 race. (this came up earlier in this thread)

The guy in the plain white helmet who gives the thumbs-up could be anybody...........it's not one of the characters who are introduced just before that shot, so maybe just an extra doing a special shot with all the fake photographers behind him snapping away.


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Posted 12 May 2008 - 13:49

Right - cold water time..... :(

Following extensive investigations and a surprisingly long (in French) conversation with two of the Principality's finest.... I can state without fear of contraception that the pictures posted by R W MacKenzie in post #802 are definitely NOT taken in the Avenue de la Princess Alice. No question about that. It just isn't right.

In fact, the two gendarmes came to the conclusion that they did not recognise the street at all; nor did Mike McKee, who we chatted to in the Casino Square grandstand on Saturday afternoon, and he has lived there for over 30 years.

So, sadly, for the moment, this one remains a mystery.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 10:36

Trying to warm the water a little.............it's been mentioned that the reason JF had to shoot these shots in places other than the real Massenet and Mirabeau is that Onassis owned part of the principality and wouldn't give permission (or demanded too large a fee?) - so can anybody shed any light on which bits were owned by Onassis and the Grimaldis in 1966?

Live Search birds'-eye view allows one to look at the streets and try to match the stills, but it would be nice to narrow the search area down a bit. :drunk:

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 11:49

The words 'bone' and 'terrier' spring to mind! :lol:

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 08:13

Also 'barrel' and 'scraping'............... :

There has been so much new development in Monaco that wherever it was probably bears no resemblance to 1966, hence the gendarmes' puzzlement...........

Did anyone put the Speed TV Aus GP intro in the style of the movie onto Youtube or similar? I had a look but couldn't find it.

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 19:37

Hello,
Could one of you chaps that can capture a still do me a favour?
Capture the Maserati 250F IIRC outside at the movie's Monaco victory party although I believe it is film of the Monza museum.
Thanks.
Cheers,
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#912 Macca

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 20:03

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 21:13

The place where the post Brands Hatch pub scenes in Grand Prix were filmed still exists. Its the Star & Eagle Hotel, in Goudhurst, Kent.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:21

Way to go Paul.

Thank you very much.
As I suspected, chassis 2534 out of the Monza museum in pre-Bamford days.
You must be some sort of Wizard to get such clear results.

Cheers,
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 19:29

Here is the other Maserati seen as Sarti and Ms.Frederickson contunue towards the museum:

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and here is the inside:

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Hello coupekarter - I'm sure you're right about the pub; the church seen here fits perfectly:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 20:20

http://www.starandeagle.com/

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 20:35

I wonder if they know part of 'Grand Prix' was filmed there? There's no mention of it on the website.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 20:46

I drove through Goudhurst last week, went right by the place, it's a gem! It's amazing what you guys know about the film! I had no idea, seen the film, passed by the place loads of times :lol:

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 15:17

Somebody will have to donate some framed stills to the pub for their walls, to mark its fame/notoriety..........

I've just noticed on the Wikipedia entry that someone has noted that JF shot 27 reels of film at the Nurburgring but had to hand them over to John Sturges who had an exclusive contract with the 'Ring.........if so, what happened to them?

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edit: this seems to have come from the autobiography of Steve McQueen's wife

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#920 Macca

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Posted 31 August 2008 - 20:07

I haven't yet had a chance (or an excuse!) to pass through Goudhurst and snap the pub for 'now and then' shots.....

But I found this today:

http://uk.youtube.co...feature=related

Paul M

edit: it's a 12-minute trailer with a lot of behind-the-scenes footage

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 06:23

Fascinating thread!

#922 Macca

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 19:34

I went through Goudhurst on Saturday - here are a still from the film and a current shot of the 'Star and Eagle' :

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They do know that scenes were fimed there, as there are some framed photos on the walls of the bar - one of them shows Bob Bondurant and Jim Russell. The scene at the front of the hotel must have been filmed off a platform or dolly standing in the parking bay by the road, as the hill falls very steeply just here:

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 21:44

Oh my gosh, those are fascinating pictures, thank you so much for posting them Macca. I am completely obsessed by the film "Grand Prix" but for some reason I always assumed that the hotel had been demolished. But as your pictures show, not only is it still standing, it has not changed at all in 42 years! It's so nice to know that some things do not change. I'll have to make a point of visiting the "Star and Eagle" in the near future. :)

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 06:30

At the risk of being the odd man out and incurring the wrath of many, I have to say I consider Grand prix to be a pretty poor effort.

When one considers the publicty hype and effort that went into making the film, not the least of which was the general disruption to the 1966 GP season, I believe one could have expected something a little better.

My reasons, which I must add are my personal opinions, are as follows:

The storyline is banal, trite and seems in many ways, to replicate that of the 1953 Kirk Douglas film "The Racers" The love triangle thing is both unbelievable and irrelevant

The cars are clearly FJ/F2 cars tarted up to look like F1 cars and are entirely unconvincing

The much vaunted montages or whatever they are called, are simply annoying and distract from the spectacle.

The musical score is pretensious and seems to be a copy of the meaningful musical input so well done in "Lawrence of Arabia"

James Garner's acting is wooden, lacks depth and would not be out of place back in his river gambling TV role of "Maverick"


Sorry if my views run against the grain but thats how i see the film.

Cheers
Derek

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 12:11

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
At the risk of being the odd man out and incurring the wrath of many, I have to say I consider Grand prix to be a pretty poor effort.

When one considers the publicty hype and effort that went into making the film, not the least of which was the general disruption to the 1966 GP season, I believe one could have expected something a little better.

My reasons, which I must add are my personal opinions, are as follows:

The storyline is banal, trite and seems in many ways, to replicate that of the 1953 Kirk Douglas film "The Racers" The love triangle thing is both unbelievable and irrelevant

The cars are clearly FJ/F2 cars tarted up to look like F1 cars and are entirely unconvincing

The much vaunted montages or whatever they are called, are simply annoying and distract from the spectacle.

The musical score is pretensious and seems to be a copy of the meaningful musical input so well done in "Lawrence of Arabia"

James Garner's acting is wooden, lacks depth and would not be out of place back in his river gambling TV role of "Maverick"


Sorry if my views run against the grain but thats how i see the film.

Cheers
Derek


The film has to be considered in context, same as lap times from the period. Sure you can go faster now, thanks to, etc.

There was little of real quality on film about F1 racing before "GP." The 3 great racing films- "Winning," "GranD Prix," and "LeMans," are easy to criticize now, but back then, not so much: they broke new ground and if they did it by relying on tarted up driving school cars or mush, it simply doesn't matter. (Would a contemporary Rick really let her get on the airplane?)

The 3 great racing movies are now less examples of great theatrical cinema and more of historic record and not repeatable.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 13:08

While I agree with much of what Derek says about "Grand Prix" I still love this film!

As a youngster, it helped this budding Grand Prix enthusiast "over the edge" into full-blown fandom.
I suspect it did the same for many others. And it captured a time now long past and never to be seen again. Not perfectly, of course. But still... It is a film I can watch over and over, gaining something new with each viewing.

LinC

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 19:39

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
At the risk of being the odd man out and incurring the wrath of many, I have to say I consider Grand prix to be a pretty poor effort.


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Sorry if my views run against the grain but thats how i see the film.

Cheers
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 20:28

Originally posted by vashlin
While I agree with much of what Derek says about "Grand Prix" I still love this film!

As a youngster, it helped this budding Grand Prix enthusiast "over the edge" into full-blown fandom.
I suspect it did the same for many others. And it captured a time now long past and never to be seen again. Not perfectly, of course. But still... It is a film I can watch over and over, gaining something new with each viewing.

LinC


I too can watch the film again and again, and it is still very comfortable viewing. It does have its faults, but it is perhaps significant that no film about GP racing has come close to matching it since. The bar was set pretty high by "Grand Prix".

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 14:17

Oddly I was watching a repeat of a BBC series called "A Picture of Britain" the other day (David Dimbleby on art) and in the episode about Scotland the bit about the Highlands had as the background music part of the theme from 'Grand Prix'.............

And in a book entitled 'Circuit de Francorchamps' by Patrick Sinibaldi, there is a photo of the fake cars during filming with Beltoise in a 'Ferrari', Schlesser in a 'BRM', Frere in a 'Lotus 43' and Phil Hill in a Yamura.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 09:44

Perhaps these have been answered earlier in this thread, or in the other gem "Let Scott By" thread, but anyway;

Early in the the film there is a shot looking down on the cars as the exit Portier and head towards the tunnel. On the roof of a building you see a bunch of "F1" cars. Is this likely where the mock-ups were kept whilst the race was going on?

And also, why was Pete Aron a "liar" after the Monaco crash ? :stoned:

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 10:22

The team owner did not believe his story about the crash being caused by a gear selection (or whatever) problem.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 10:45

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
At the risk of being the odd man out and incurring the wrath of many, I have to say I consider Grand prix to be a pretty poor effort.

When one considers the publicty hype and effort that went into making the film, not the least of which was the general disruption to the 1966 GP season, I believe one could have expected something a little better.

My reasons, which I must add are my personal opinions, are as follows:

The storyline is banal, trite and seems in many ways, to replicate that of the 1953 Kirk Douglas film "The Racers" The love triangle thing is both unbelievable and irrelevant

The cars are clearly FJ/F2 cars tarted up to look like F1 cars and are entirely unconvincing

The much vaunted montages or whatever they are called, are simply annoying and distract from the spectacle.

The musical score is pretensious and seems to be a copy of the meaningful musical input so well done in "Lawrence of Arabia"

James Garner's acting is wooden, lacks depth and would not be out of place back in his river gambling TV role of "Maverick"


Sorry if my views run against the grain but thats how i see the film.

Cheers
Derek


Hmmmm not a fan huh?? I suppose the thing is whether you are basing your comments on chucking the DVD into a modern player in a world swamped with slick productions and trying to take it all in on the small screen.

I went a long to see it a few times in 70mm Wide Screen Cinerama and was just blown away by the sheer size, complexity, magnificence and beauty of it all...I suppose it is akin to the first Star Wars film, it has become a classic but it was full of mistakes, cheap sets and discontinuities...don't get me started on early Star Treks!!

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 11:49

I remember my neighbor & childhood friend's family were on vacation in New York city and went to see the movie while there. He came over to house after returning and excitedly was telling my brother & I of this great racing movie, Grand Prix. He had with him a softbound, yellow covered, book, maybe 20) pages, that was purchased at the theatre. It was approximately 14 x 14 in size and was all about the making of the movie, the storyline, and biographies of the key players. I borrowed it for a while, gave it back to Greg, and have never seen another one like it. About 8) years ago, I asked Greg if he may still have it, unfortunately he didn't. Does anyone here remember this book, or even have one? I have the LP soundtrack, it would be nice to add this to the memoribilia collection. Thanks.

Brian

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 12:04

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
I went a long to see it a few times in 70mm Wide Screen Cinerama and was just blown away by the sheer size, complexity, magnificence and beauty of it all...I suppose it is akin to the first Star Wars film, it has become a classic but it was full of mistakes, cheap sets and discontinuities...don't get me started on early Star Treks!!


I can understand why people who buy the DVD and watch it at home, even on one of those JUMBO sized TVs, would think the movie wasn't that great.

I too was lucky enough to see the film in Cinerama several times and it always a thrill. It was fantastic watching the screen and seeing people in front of you duck & lean during the on-board sequences. I even remember one person having to leave the cinema because they were suffering from motion sickness!

I would agree that on the home system the montages are a bit of a let down but in Cinerama they were stunning!

I have to say that there has been nothing better about the subject since. However with the latest CG systems I feel sure there will eventually be a successor.

:wave:

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 08:03

Originally posted by Stephen W


I can understand why people who buy the DVD and watch it at home, even on one of those JUMBO sized TVs, would think the movie wasn't that great.

I too was lucky enough to see the film in Cinerama several times and it always a thrill. It was fantastic watching the screen and seeing people in front of you duck & lean during the on-board sequences. I even remember one person having to leave the cinema because they were suffering from motion sickness!

I would agree that on the home system the montages are a bit of a let down but in Cinerama they were stunning!

I have to say that there has been nothing better about the subject since. However with the latest CG systems I feel sure there will eventually be a successor.

:wave:


True...wasn't the Cinerama screen enormous and curved??

and yes B Squared, I also had one of those books which went missing in a house move :rolleyes: I think just about everone I saw coming out of the theatres had a "program".

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:49

275 GTB-4 - Thanks for the follow up.

Brian

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 14:51

Originally posted by B Squared
He had with him a softbound, yellow covered, book, maybe 20) pages, that was purchased at the theatre. It was approximately 14 x 14 in size and was all about the making of the movie, the storyline, and biographies of the key players. I borrowed it for a while, gave it back to Greg, and have never seen another one like it. About 8) years ago, I asked Greg if he may still have it, unfortunately he didn't. Does anyone here remember this book, or even have one?


Brian,

I have a french booklet, stapled and indeed 20 pages. However not yellow. It is a good introduction to F1 racing and the making of the film for the average visitor. Some (incomplete) scans:

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 11:29

Arjan - Thank you for your efforts. :up: It is similar in many aspects to the one I referred to. Probably the same booklet, only the European (French) version. I also recall a "Popular Mechanics" from the time which had technical info on the making of the film. Very detailed in the process of launching of Sarti's Ferrari over the Monza Banking with a device called "Big Blue", if I recall it correctly. Should have kept that magazine too! With all the other stuff I've got, I can't believe that I didn't.

Brian

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 17:18

http://www.fototime....24BA1C63F313781

from page 11 of this thread - lots of other stuff if you have the patience to go through it.........

also:
http://cinerama.topc...grandprixcd.htm

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edit: just found this pic
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of Frankenheimer, Cahier, and ? at Brands.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 06:10

Don't forget this one:
Grand Prix dry run at Riverside

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 15:10

Sorry if this was posted before, but stumbled upon it accidently:

Shots of the filming at Clermont-Ferrand, interviews with Hardy (in French but I guess nobody will mind) and Montand.
http://www.ina.fr/ar...total_notices=8

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 19:47

This may have been mentioned before, but...

I have just been watching Disney's animated version of Robin Hood and noted that it was our favourite, hobbling, cuckold vice-champion Scott Stoddard, or rather Brian Bedford, who provided the voice for the leading character, Robin.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 10:12

Just a note for anyone who still hasn't seen it but wants to............or who wants to watch it yet again to notice something new :lol: it's on TCM in the UK at 5.45pm today.

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Edited by Macca, 25 June 2012 - 13:12.


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Posted 09 February 2009 - 16:18

I understand there was a audio LP from the movie that had some interviews and sounds from differnet tracks. Has anyone heard of this? If so, any idea where I could find a copy of a CD of it?
Thanks,

Rob Neuzel
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 16:32

http://www.thechican...ics/grand-prix/

........about halfway down this page, and then more excerpts further down.


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Posted 09 February 2009 - 17:41

Great find !!!

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 18:03

Extraordinary. If you keep watching, there is more footage available via the menu at the bottom of the screen.

The 1970 French Grand Prix is wonderful - hadn't realised how far behind Rindt was at the start, or how far up the field Peterson was in the March 701...

#948 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 22:03

I have that LP.

#949 Frank S

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 22:59

I hear the "Sounds" from that Web page's files as monaural; the original album I recorded onto an 8-track cartridge was stereo, as is the CD I bought from an eBaY seller. Night and day, I must say.

#950 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 08:35

Originally posted by Neuz
I understand there was a audio LP from the movie that had some interviews and sounds from differnet tracks. Has anyone heard of this? If so, any idea where I could find a copy of a CD of it?
Thanks,

Rob Neuzel
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Rob,

On E-Bay you may find the album you mention. It is the one on the left in this pic. It is commented by Phil Hill who takes you along the tracks as seen in the movie. Great racing sounds.

The Sound Track album has a better availability but contains the music by Maurice Jarre (several sleeve versions). Still both are a great document with neat sleeve information.

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